Is there any reason for optimism in dating?

[Robert28]

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To where? Prostitution is illegal everywhere in the US except Nevada. A guy who’s not having luck with women in one state won’t see his fortunes change in another.

 

[corrector]

To where? Prostitution is illegal everywhere in the US except Nevada. A guy who’s not having luck with women in one state won’t see his fortunes change in another.

Is it illegal on paper, or is it actually enforced? In Canada it's illegal on paper, but its never enforced in a way that it would feel illegal. The US is probably the same thing. You have to look at how the police departments policy is with enforcement in different jurisdictions and what police are targeting.

I wouldn't use a prostitute here, but I don't like entertaining false beliefs about how police operate. There are lots of laws in the States, and I'm sure any citizen could get arrested and charged with something if the police had it in for someone.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

To where? Prostitution is illegal everywhere in the US except Nevada. A guy who’s not having luck with women in one state won’t see his fortunes change in another.

It depends. For example if he's Asian or Indian those might do better in a large metro like NYC instead of a suburb.

 

[Robert28]

Is it illegal on paper, or is it actually enforced? In Canada it's illegal on paper, but its never enforced in a way that it would feel illegal. The US is probably the same thing. You have to look at how the police departments policy is with enforcement in different jurisdictions and what police are targeting.

I wouldn't use a prostitute here, but I don't like entertaining false beliefs about how police operate. There are lots of laws in the States, and I'm sure any citizen could get arrested and charged with something if the police had it in for someone.

They will bust your ass where I live in the US. You WILL do 30 days in jail here first time you’re caught, second time is 6 months. They even set up stings around here in my state. Bust people all the freaking time. You also don’t want to bang 99% of the prositutes where I live because they’re either strung out on drugs and have God knows what, or they’re owned by gangs and you’re liable to walk into some stuff you don’t want to be caught up in. Or they’re just flat out ugly af. Or all 3.

 

[corrector]

They will bust your ass where I live in the US. You WILL do 30 days in jail here first time you’re caught, second time is 6 months. They even set up stings around here in my state. Bust people all the freaking time. You also don’t want to bang 99% of the prositutes where I live because they’re either strung out on drugs and have God knows what, or they’re owned by gangs and you’re liable to walk into some stuff you don’t want to be caught up in. Or they’re just flat out ugly af. Or all 3.

What part of the US do you live? Is there a minimum sentence involved? Is this being enforced equitably regardless of race and status? What about indoor set-ups involving websites, with backdoor arrangements (ie you are paying for someone's company, massage, or some soft type of thing that's not really prostitution)? What about meeting via OF/Tinder or some other online site?

It sounds like you are heavily focused on the street scene and doing things in the car which is very awkward. As I said before, I don't deal with prostitutes here either, but any reason for not dealing with them has nothing to do with the police or laws. The way I have interacted with prostitutes in 2014 was in such a shy way that if it were a sting, they wouldn't have anything on me to suggest I was even looking to buy sex since I just acted lost and stupid.

Prior to 2014, on the street-scene, there was never any communication of sex. You basically make eye-contact, drive around a few times, and then she'll make some signal with her hand, you go near her, and she just bolts into your car. You'd have to drive off, or keep the door locked in order to not have a total stranger just bold into your car!

So, I guess the way I have operated, I don't see how anyone gets arrested in stings of prostitutes without even communicating anything about wanting to have sex or pay for it. At least I don't think they would behave like that. (...and no, I liked curb-crawling around for kicks, but never went that far since they are mainly druggies or looked unstable).

 

[zekko]

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

What do you do when women don’t want to have sex with you and prostitution is illegal where you live?

GO to an asian massage parlor and get happy endings/blow jobs. I won't have intercourse with a hooker. If you're at least average looking 5/10 male you can get slump busters off dating apps. They aren't hot, but they pass the boner test if you're stuck in a rut. I'll take the occasional fat chick if she has a cute face and a decent rack.

 

[buddhafukko]

I don't bother with swipe apps, but most report they are full of bots, spam and attention seekers, with occasional -4 SMV dates at best.

Odd that you casually dismiss the only chance in hell you have of hooking up, which works quite well for most of the population.

 

[DonJuanjr]

That's what I want.

In my 30s, I have not self-improved enough to seduce the hot, fertile, young ones. I have had sex with some attractive 30 somethings but it's not the same.

What if your best prospect of a prime smv girl, was one that was on the slow side? How low of intelligence before your morality says, "I'm taking advantage of this person?"

Obviously drooling on herself is an automatic pass...

 

[zekko]

Odd that you casually dismiss the only chance in hell you have of hooking up, which works quite well for most of the population.

I've never tried online dating, but reading this forum I got the impression unless you were Chad it was a waste of time.
But it also appears that apps seem to be the main way most people hook up these days.
I suppose real life interactions have become too dangerous, what with #MeToo and all.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If I'm ever in a college town, I know there are almost always tons of honies at the bars and on campus. Aside from minor dust-ups in the past between clueless PUA's and campus security, college campuses have always been great if you are discrete enough and basically socially normal (which sadly and obviously most pua's are not).

Unfortunately, most campuses are now "closed" or at least restricted meaning you cannot access any building or event without a mask and/or vax card/phone code.

Several local bars have either closed down or have scaled back hours significantly so "bar hopping" is scaled down or no longer happening. In larger metro areas, you also need to mask and have vax "proof" to access businesses indoors.

Meetup has scaled back at least 70% or more for in-person meetups.

I don't bother with swipe apps, but most report they are full of bots, spam and attention seekers, with occasional -4 SMV dates at best.

Not only have the quantity of social events taken a severe hit, but the quality has dipped precipitously: what's the point of going to a park of 90% of the people are wearing masks and sunglasses? That's just sick and bizarre.

There was a small respite this summer but it was as short as a couple of weeks or a month as most large cities and even entire states are fake mandating masks again.

So back to the question, what reasons do we have to be optimistic about dating in the near future?

Tons of attractive women work as cashiers at convenience stores, cafes, retail... easy pickings.

 

[B80]

They will bust your ass where I live in the US. You WILL do 30 days in jail here first time you’re caught, second time is 6 months. They even set up stings around here in my state. Bust people all the freaking time. You also don’t want to bang 99% of the prositutes where I live because they’re either strung out on drugs and have God knows what, or they’re owned by gangs and you’re liable to walk into some stuff you don’t want to be caught up in. Or they’re just flat out ugly af. Or all 3.

what about websites? or how far are you from another state? soliciting, curb crawling, brothels etc are illegal in Uk, but cash for sex is legal. so just have to avoid driving around known areas really, which isn't a great idea anyway as tends to be the low end of prostitutes.

not that it's my thing, did it once 3 years ago (someone online), looked good in photos, went to a house a nice suburban area (which I assume she rented) and didn't enjoy it at all to be honest. was sober and too aware of what I was doing and didn;t sit right with me. fair play to men who enjoy it, would prefer to have a w**k alone . She was one of the most expensive on the site too in my area, which had 100's to choose from. I asked friends if they know if high end hookers and they sent pics, details, but they didn;t look my type, too obvious porn star looking - fake t1ts and or tattoos, that certain look which isn't for me.

as mentioned before, much prefer places like thailand (where if you're half decent looking), you don;t need to go to 'gogo' bars anyway and its more of a girl friend experience, but I'm not flying 12 hours a couple of times of year, using my holiday allowance up for that now, particularly as online apps allow something if you really wanted it. Gets shot down on here but I get loads of matches, just can barely muster the effort to chat, respond to their 'heys' last few months, think I need my T levels checked . A few of my friends clean up on them and they're not better than above average in looks dept, so it is possible despite what the outlook on here is, although I guess mileage may vary depending on where you live. Yes you get 4's and 5's (which I swipe left on) but a fair selection of 6 and solid 7's and up to early 40's, which are fine if just looking to get laid . Better than prostitutes anyway imo, which may be 7's, but being aware their prostitutes and stuff around that, lowers them by a point or 2 in my eyes.

 

[Romanemp22]

Agreed.

And if you dont mind having sex with girls you dont even want to have sex with.

That's a tricky one because it's hard to have a boner with girls you're not attracted to. I would say go after the ones you have big attraction for.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

I've never tried online dating, but reading this forum I got the impression unless you were Chad it was a waste of time.
But it also appears that apps seem to be the main way most people hook up these days.
I suppose real life interactions have become too dangerous, what with #MeToo and all.

Dating App=Chads playground. With that being said theres nothing wrong with throwing up a profile and playing passive game. You need low expectations and dont take any of the women seriously. Good for slumpbusters, but if youre below 6 feet and average face you aint pulling no hotties. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a conman.

 

[timmyroni]

Tons of attractive women work as cashiers at convenience stores, cafes, retail... easy pickings.

That might've been the case in the past. Not so much anymore. Our entire state and region has been inundated with mexican/central/south american illegals for decades now. Maybe a hottie here and there, but most are fat and unattractive.

Not to mention all retail employees are masked up again so you couldn't really tell.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

So back to the question, what reasons do we have to be optimistic about dating in the near future?

Game recognizes game.

Pandemic nor lack down hasn't stopped me. Girls while more complacent are less reactive than they were in wave one. Again, game equals compliance. Approach. Bait and switch. Test compliance and pull.

I'm not concerned with my dating experience. A lot of men should be. They don't approach and they can't pull. They watch rp bloggers for hrs and buy programs. They get no results and have no receipts like their gurus.

If your guru has no got receipts he's a fraud.

 

[SW15]

To where? Prostitution is illegal everywhere in the US except Nevada. A guy who’s not having luck with women in one state won’t see his fortunes change in another.

It is uncommon that moving from one city to another drastically changes dating outcomes. If you move, there have be to be other reasons besides dating for the move or you are moving from a small town (less than 100,000 population) to a mid-sized (100-700k) or larger metro area. It's tough to date in towns/cities of less than 100,000 when you are 25 or older.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Again, game equals compliance. Approach. Bait and switch. Test compliance and pull.

Touch more on the bait and switch aspect.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That might've been the case in the past. Not so much anymore. Our entire state and region has been inundated with mexican/central/south american illegals for decades now. Maybe a hottie here and there, but most are fat and unattractive.

Not to mention all retail employees are masked up again so you couldn't really tell.

I like Latinas. But staff here is fairly mixed. Masks suck, but you can get a fairly decent idea if a girl is cute, even with the face diaper.

 

[lost_blackbird]

In answer to the tread title question... Nope. None.

Not everyones wants to go MGTOW, physical and emotional intimacy with the opposite sex is very important to humans

If you say so.
I'm almost two and a half years celibate and don't feel I'm missing anything at all worth my time and effort.
I also have pretty much zero social contact with anybody else either.