Is male depression mostly linked to lack of female companionship?

[Gamisch]

Just out of curiosity, what do incels do for fun? It seems like a very pessimistic way of living.

Well, they'll do everything that they think is fun while actually accepting that women don't want/see them.

It's a catch 22; the incel walks with his head down while women want a man walking with his head up ,chest out. It's a perpetual cycle that never ends.

They will have hobbies,play games , most will be extremely family oriented. The latter is kind if ironic because it's that same family that will question their sexual orientation and shyte like that. One incel I know actually lives quite an interesting life. He just lacks the intencive, self belief and basic social skills to get ANY woman interested.

Eventually some incels will brute force their way to p00sy either through hookers, passport bro-ing ,or arranged marriage. But we are arguably all have to " brute force " our way to get p00sy (as in it doesn't matter who you are you must take action).

 

[Gamisch]

I get what you’re saying, the point I was trying to make is that I’m so far behind on doing what you describe that I’ve felt that most women are not gonna have the patience for that and I will get nexted by pretty much all of them and the risk will never come with reward.

Listen my son

You gotta be smooth with it. The ex topic is the easiest yet most effective shyte test there is for women. Due to your lack if experience, you fail this test (like many men, I did it as well..) by completely emptying an emotional cesspool about boohoo how bad the ex was..

I get that you are in the infamous perpetual loop of not having a history of relationships, thus not getting new ones, right?

But you can and MUST simply make use of some tactics. Dating is way more tactical than you think ( I geuss you teel like to believe that dating is a 100% emotional thing). If there is one mistake I used to make it was talking bad about my exes. Now mind you, I got away with it oftentimes because the women already decided they wanted to feck me. But nowadays I simply talk positive about my exes, my baby momma, ect ect

How can YOU make use of my example? By being mysterious and yet positive about your (imaginary??) ex.
Her: so ...what about your past relationships?
You: you know, i am grateful for all the experiences she gave me. But we werent ready for it yadiya ( or something like this)

And silence. If she pushes the issue you simply say something cliche yet romantic like " we both weren't ready I geuss" and end the topic . Enough about past, let's enjoy this moment RIGHT NOW.

If you REALLY want to get out of this predicament, you'll learn that ESPECIALLY the man you'll pay to light a fire under your azz will tell you to TELL THEM WHITE LIES. Period. It's better to remain somewhat mysterious instead of completely losing your shyte about the topic.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Well, they'll do everything that they think is fun while actually accepting that women don't want/see them.

It's a catch 22; the incel walks with his head down while women want a man walking with his head up ,chest out. It's a perpetual cycle that never ends.

They will have hobbies,play games , most will be extremely family oriented. The latter is kind if ironic because it's that same family that will question their sexual orientation and shyte like that. One incel I know actually lives quite an interesting life. He just lacks the intencive, self belief and basic social skills to get ANY woman interested.

Eventually some incels will brute force their way to p00sy either through hookers, passport bro-ing ,or arranged marriage. But we are arguably all have to " brute force " our way to get p00sy (as in it doesn't matter who you are you must take action).

That’s cool.

Do incels want to date people? Do they know that in order for them to play the game they have to do things that add value to their lives? (Gym, cars, clothes, social circle, hobbies, travels, experiences, houses, etc)

I have heard of incels before but have never seen one or interacted with one of them until I came into this site.

 

[corrector]

That’s cool.

Do incels want to date people? Do they know that in order for them to play the game they have to do things that add value to their lives? (Gym, cars, clothes, social circle, hobbies, travels, experiences, houses, etc)

I have heard of incels before but have never seen one or interacted with one of them until I came into this site.

That does not sound realistic if you are working at a low-wage job and don't have any free time. It's like saying if you win the lottery or are just born into a life of wealth or priviledge that you'll have no problem getting girls. Thanks for telling us something that we don't know.

Are all the people you interact with rich?

 

[hellonwheels]

That’s cool.

Do incels want to date people? Do they know that in order for them to play the game they have to do things that add value to their lives? (Gym, cars, clothes, social circle, hobbies, travels, experiences, houses, etc)

I have heard of incels before but have never seen one or interacted with one of them until I came into this site.

If you’re asking this question then you have a pretty poor understanding of what incel means.

Incel is a portmanteau for ‘Involuntary Celibate’. Incels believe they are unable to access sex, mainly due to genetic factors, evolutionary predetermined processes of mate selection and societal structures. They believe women find them unattractive and that women are only interested in handsome ‘alpha males’ (also called ‘Chads’). The ‘80/20 Rule’ is commonly mentioned amongst incels, meaning that the most attractive 20% of men have monopolised 80% of women.

 

[corrector]

If you’re asking this question then you have a pretty poor understanding of what incel means.

Incel is a portmanteau for ‘Involuntary Celibate’. Incels believe they are unable to access sex, mainly due to genetic factors, evolutionary predetermined processes of mate selection and societal structures. They believe women find them unattractive and that women are only interested in handsome ‘alpha males’ (also called ‘Chads’). The ‘80/20 Rule’ is commonly mentioned amongst incels, meaning that the most attractive 20% of men have monopolised 80% of women.

Or he could be trolling. However, the incels on here, including myself do have financial challenges and are really poorcels.

For example, no incel on here looks like they have resources or a decently paying job. If you take @needimprovement250, he is doing DoorDash. He complains he has no experience, and there is a catch-22, but we don't talk about the Elephant in the Room, and that he's doing DoorDash and is poor, and if he won the lottery and was a millionaire, do you think women would reject him on inexperience? The other incel that posts here (aside from myself) sounds poor too. If most of my time wasn't siphoned off on a low-paying job and taking care of my parents with any free time I have then I probably wouldn't be that incel myself. Even a visit to any GYM is a luxury of time. If you have no free time and no money (ie what little money you make is just paying bills) then I don't think any other cover excuse is to blame (ie inexperience).

 

[Redwood]

Just out of curiosity, what do incels do for fun? It seems like a very pessimistic way of living.

Videogames, anime and porn usually.

 

[hellonwheels]

Or he could be trolling. However, the incels on here, including myself do have financial challenges and are really poorcels.

For example, no incel on here looks like they have resources or a decently paying job. If you take @needimprovement250, he is doing DoorDash. He complains he has no experience, and there is a catch-22, but we don't talk about the Elephant in the Room, and that he's doing DoorDash and is poor, and if he won the lottery and was a millionaire, do you think women would reject him on inexperience? The other incel that posts here (aside from myself) sounds poor too. If most of my time wasn't siphoned off on a low-paying job and taking care of my parents with any free time I have then I probably wouldn't be that incel myself. Even a visit to any GYM is a luxury of time. If you have no free time and no money (ie what little money you make is just paying bills) then I don't think any other cover excuse is to blame (ie inexperience).

I see your point, but while lack of money/time is the main hurdle for you there are plenty of poor people outside this forum getting laid.

I’d say most people falling under the term incel (which shouldn’t be a lifetime label) majorly lack the social skills necessary to secure sex. Public Speaking classes, volunteer events, improv, group therapy or whatever to increase comfortability/experience with social interactions should be the main focus for self improvement.

 

[corrector]

I see your point, but while lack of money/time is the main hurdle for you there are plenty of poor people outside this forum getting laid.

I’d say most people falling under the term incel (which shouldn’t be a lifetime label) majorly lack the social skills necessary to secure sex. Public Speaking classes, volunteer events, improv, group therapy or whatever to increase comfortability/experience with social interactions should be the main focus for self improvement.

I was responding mainly to the way @Rainrain was portraying the issues. Socials are from another angle, but comes from a healthier mindset than saying you have to live a 1%er lifestyle in order to get a girl.

 

[Learning Curve]

Just a thought

You don't get envious (at least I don't) when you see another guy that makes more money than you, is more jacked, has a bigger home or drives a nicer car.

However, you will get envious (at least I do) of the attractive woman by his side and sometimes it seems like every other guy out there is in a happy relationship but yourself.

Yes, I think most male depression is linked to struggling with the opposite sex.

Everything looks great on the outside.

When you dive deep, you find sh1t ton of problems you can't even imagine.

 

[jhonny9546]

I keep reminding myself it literally takes one chance encounter with a woman who's keen on you and everything changes immediately

This

 

[Gamisch]

Sometimes I will come across a couple where a very average looking guy will have a cute chick and I'll be like wtf

But then in 2022 when I was dating a HB8 for a while someone could have thought the same about me

Its all abstract

I wouldn't say i's the main cause of male depression ......being directionless and aimless is

When a man retreats within himself and starts doubting himself thats when the problems start

If your improving yourself every day , being uncomfortable and putting yourself out there life will get better

I keep reminding myself it literally takes one chance encounter with a woman who's keen on you and everything changes immediately

No way can a situation like that be the main cause of depression

Spot on. Luck happens when opportunity meets preparation . In chess we say that the better player is somehow always lucky..

Ironically enough the same men who are now complaining because they have no women/woman , will be the same who'll complain about not being able to control a woman once they get one.

You might go from zero to three women and suddenly you're bytching about all the time ,money and energy you are spending.

Most men get opportunities on a daily, they just are never prepared. If a man * @corrector * starts working out today, he might have a sixpack next year. That's no coincidence or luck, its effort and energy that gets rewarded.

You gotta walk around with an attitude that is akin to the God complex; any woman interested shall be saluted for having a great taste, while simultaneously it wont be a surprise to you because again, you are working on yourself day in and out.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Or he could be trolling. However, the incels on here, including myself do have financial challenges and are really poorcels.

For example, no incel on here looks like they have resources or a decently paying job. If you take @needimprovement250, he is doing DoorDash. He complains he has no experience, and there is a catch-22, but we don't talk about the Elephant in the Room, and that he's doing DoorDash and is poor, and if he won the lottery and was a millionaire, do you think women would reject him on inexperience? The other incel that posts here (aside from myself) sounds poor too. If most of my time wasn't siphoned off on a low-paying job and taking care of my parents with any free time I have then I probably wouldn't be that incel myself. Even a visit to any GYM is a luxury of time. If you have no free time and no money (ie what little money you make is just paying bills) then I don't think any other cover excuse is to blame (ie inexperience).

Only one of my incel freinds/acquaintances is poor.

 

[Mike32ct]

Only one of my incel freinds/acquaintances is poor.

How are their social/communication skills?

 

[Gamisch]

If you lack selfworth and self respect, you won't feel the need to work on yourself.

But I'd even say that a lotta incels are too selfish to make themselves as " feckable as possible " for their possible future partner .

I once read a reddit comment from a woman that was spot on; in ( Miami?) YOU as a man cannot afford to NOT hit the gym.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

How are their social/communication skills?

it varies. Mostly poor. But a few are pretty decent.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If you lack selfworth and self respect, you won't feel the need to work on yourself.

But I'd even say that a lotta incels are too selfish to make themselves as " feckable as possible " for their possible future partner .

I once read a reddit comment from a woman that was spot on; in ( Miami?) YOU as a man cannot afford to NOT hit the gym.

My Hapacel friend lost a lot of weight recently (he’s been excercising). Unfortunetly. I think he over did it. He’s about 3-4” taller, but we now weigh about the same. He does look a bit better. I asked him how he weighs as much as me, but he’s taller. He said ‘you’re more muscular.’. He needs to put muscle on.

 

[MatureDJ]

My Hapacel friend lost a lot of weight recently (he’s been excercising). Unfortunetly. I think he over did it. He’s about 3-4” taller, but we now weigh about the same. He does look a bit better. I asked him how he weighs as much as me, but he’s taller. He said ‘you’re more muscular.’. He needs to put muscle on.

Did he do leg-lengthening?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Did he do leg-lengthening?

no.

 

[needimprovement250]

If you take @needimprovement250, he is doing DoorDash. He complains he has no experience, and there is a catch-22, but we don't talk about the Elephant in the Room, and that he's doing DoorDash and is poor, and if he won the lottery and was a millionaire, do you think women would reject him on inexperience?

That is a valid point, however I don’t consider myself an incel because I don’t agree with what the incel community believes in. A perfect example of why I don’t consider myself an incel is the one that I’ve posted about here on the forum. He was known as Marshall Mathers the 4th before YouTube terminated his channel and has since come back with the name change DarthNihilus. He has some very delusional beliefs and even quit his first ever job as a fry cook at Popeyes that he didn’t get until his mid 20’s just because he found out a girl he worked with and thought was cute had a bf. He also dropped out of high school during freshman year because he didn’t have a gf.

I have heard before that women don’t care as much about the lack of experience if the guy has made up for it in other ways such as a high income as you describe, or it could also be a nice place of his own to live and an exciting social life. But if a guy is inexperienced and in my situation of being low income, living with his parents, and having no social circle in his 30’s, a lot of women are gonna see him as a complete and total loser and will write him off since they know it won’t be too hard for them to find someone better than a guy like me. That’s why I asked before if it would be better if I at least move out of my parents house and launch a career before jumping into dating, but didn’t get an answer from anyone. I haven’t been doing DoorDash as of lately though since the event center that I do a series of seasonal jobs at has begun their work season, so I’ve been doing that instead.