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wolf116 said:
Year sorry about the english skils, I'm dyslexic (I'm studying engineering tho so dont think i'm stupid).
That takes balls. I'm not dyslexic and studying engineering and it sucks!
 

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Be in charge of your own life!

I used to think that what people call "cheating" is wrong.
That was when I lived according to Christian rules.

At age 21 I finally matured , I decided that I will not agree with things that don't make sense to me.

About Truth
Don't tell me about absolute "Truth" when all you are talking about is just a wild guess. Especially if you're too dumb to understand a mathematical proof, or even just highschool physics. Why the **** do people subject themselves to religions that are based on practically NOTHING that can be proved. I'm not saying people shouldn't be religious. I'm saying that people should be aware that they're really just "gambling" with the purpose of their lives.
Real scientists are not afraid to find out that their current model of reality lacks in certain aspects. Religious leaders (and their followers) don't even consider the possibility that their model of reality might be flawed.

Defeatist thinking
In classical physics, the "atom" was considered the core of all matter. But even though it may be the essence of chemistry and physics, scientists have not kept themselves from redefining the concept of the atom in order to get closer to REALITY. How many religions have redefined their concept of GOD?

Whenever religious people come across a paradox, they'll just say "Well, you should consider the context", or "That goes beyond the comprehension of man. God knows.". That's defeatist thinking. There hiding behind their "holy" scriptures. I know that people will start defending their religion and start barking at me for saying this:
People join religions out of fear.
Why else would you join a religion?
For fun?
For money?
For hot women?
For a more enjoyable life?


Scientists want to discover the TRUTH more than anything else. In the past, scientists have even risked their lives for that. Some people will probably answer with "Well, fundamentalists also risk their lives for the TRUTH!".

Let me tell you what the difference is: religion and truth are NOT the same things. Fundamentalists stay true to their religion. But nobody knows whether any religion is even close to the real TRUTH! Like I said before: it's just a wild guess at the truth. Just as it may be true, it may also be false.

Needless to say, if you die for your religion and it turns out to be false: no paradise, no eternal life, no happiness!
You accepted to invest in a "low-returnvalue-kind-of-life", expecting a huge reward after 30+ years. When you die. (Would you invest in a company that would only be able to give you the returnvalue when you died? Even if it can't be passed on to your dear ones?)

Lots of respect for your (relative) integrity, though.
But there's no one you can blame: you simply made a wrong bet!

In fact, choosing ONE a religion is definitely not the smartest thing to do. Religions are "models of reality". If you can't get over your fear of death, then the safest thing to do is betting on as many "models of reality" as possible. Treat it like you're buying stocks.
Otherwise, if you're fearless (thus a real DJ), the best thing would be to make your OWN model of reality by thinking for yourself and adopting the good concepts from other models.


Okay, now let me answer the question "Is cheating ok?".

Cheating is deception.
Deceit is saying one thing, while doing the exact opposite.


Having sex with other women is not the same as cheating!
You are cheating when you promised someone that you will not have sex with anyone else but your girlfriend/wife. This "someone" doesn't even have to be your girlfriend. Even if she's "okay" with it, it's not garanteed that you are not cheating.

The definition of "cheating" implies that the following logical statement is true.

"marry your girlfriend in church" AND "have sex with another woman" -> "cheating"

So, if either one (or both) of the premises "marry your girlfriend in church" or "have sex with another woman" is FALSE in your situation, than you are NOT "cheating".

Don't want to cheat?
Then don't vow "till death do us part", or anything like that to ANYONE!! Period.


This goes out to all our religious friends on this board.
Did you ever ask yourself any of these questions:
"Why do I believe my religion?"
"Why am I (not) a Christian"
"Why am I (not) a Muslim?"
"Why am I (not) a Buddhist?"
"What is my motivation for my religious life?"

Be honest with yourself first, and then to other people.
 

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no no no man, being a DJ means self improvement so you get women chasing you and you can then choose the best one out of the bunch and have a nice relationship.
You have a good relationship, you love her, now i know its tempting to go out there and get sex off other girls, but trust me, trust me on this, since you love her, it will show because you will be guilty, if u r a good dj then you know that girls are approx 10 times better at sensing body language, girls analyse you every sec you are with them and they will now-instant.
Stick with her, listen to Bow wo-shorty like mine and you will get me
Just keep your relastionship happy, if you are not then move on and do it with many girls as u want when u r single, but sinse you are not, dont do it.
 

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****, another person who tries to "blame" someone's morality on Religion. I agree that religion isn't neccessaily "true" but it does evolve, not much differently than science actually, which I'm not sure you can say is any more "true" given the fact most are just theories that can only be proved by experimentation to a certain degree of accuracy and then most are later disproved.

My belief is religion is central to any successful society, sometimes we need the fear of god so we don't act selfishly and have the moral equivalent of "pure" capitalism. You can argue that this has been mathematically proven by John Nash's game theory. Jesus said in Matthew the first two commandments where the only two that where needed, all others (the law) are based on those.

(Shortened)
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbor as yourself

Anyway Nash's theory states that if an individual acts in it's own interests then the group won't neccessarily win, only by an individual acting in the groups interests will they all win. This was completely "original" and contradictory at the time but actually basically sums up the 2nd commandment which was given by GOD to teach us how to behave so we would all benefit. I would say the very basis of God's Law has been mathematically proven. As for my own personal beliefs, they are mine and still constantly changing, I don't believe in organised religions.

But that's all another argument. If she thinks (because you have led her to think) that it's an exclusive relationship, it doesn't have to be marriage then you have to take into account her feelings. You owe her that.

As for the guy who said you can have a mature commited relationship at 17. Yes you can, however most don't last and you NEVER get those years back so you really need to be sure that's what you want now. You also have to take into account, moving to a new college, moving for a new job. Do you really want to have your options limited by making a decision for two.

As for girls sensing anything, I'm not sure about this. I know plenty of guys that cheat and their girlfriends never found out. I also know plenty of girls that cheat, **** alot of the time they are cheating with the other guy/girl's friend.

I hate to say it but MOST people cheat especially if they don't really care for the other person but that doesn't make it right.
 

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I agree that religious systems have their own benefits.
What you are actually saying is that it's a good to prevent chaos, or better yet: loosing control of a population.

First happiness, then order.
That's my rule.:D

d9930380 said:
(Shortened)
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
I know my neighbour wants to **** my girlfriend. If I'd really love him like myself, I'd let him give it a go. At the very least an occasional blojob, because I like the fellow a lot. I respect his feelings. ;)



d9930380 said:
I don't believe in organised religions
Good.Take responsibility for your own lifestyle.

For most people, religion is not a choice.
Leaving a religion is very hard, because you will usually let down a lot of people and sometimes you're (implicitly) banned from the community. You will probably lose a lot of companions too.
 

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d9930380 said:
My belief is religion is central to any successful society, sometimes we need the fear of god so we don't act selfishly and have the moral equivalent of "pure" capitalism.
Have you not noticed that all the countries that are hardcore religious are killing each other and the ones that don't are more peacefull.

ok, my gf just told me she kissed another guy when she was drunk. Atleast shes truthfull. unless she fvcked him that is. I'm not leaving this girl, we have too much fun and sex and she makes me food. But this has made up my mind for me. where young. I told her that I get to kiss a girl now and she told me to get it over with quickly. But she said she would dump me if I ****ed another girl.

Now this is where it gets wiered. She started to get horny when i was talking about this. So I started talking about this girl that I have a crush on. Then it got to the point where I was haveing sex with her while talking about doing sh!t to this girl.

Afterwards she got upset and said she only got horny because I got horny (lies). And that she could never trust me again if i cheated.

interesting.. its hard to figure out tho
 

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wolf116 said:
Have you not noticed that all the countries that are hardcore religious are killing each other and the ones that don't are more peacefull.

ok, my gf just told me she kissed another guy when she was drunk. Atleast shes truthfull. unless she fvcked him that is. I'm not leaving this girl, we have too much fun and sex and she makes me food. But this has made up my mind for me. where young. I told her that I get to kiss a girl now and she told me to get it over with quickly. But she said she would dump me if I ****ed another girl.

Now this is where it gets wiered. She started to get horny when i was talking about this. So I started talking about this girl that I have a crush on. Then it got to the point where I was haveing sex with her while talking about doing sh!t to this girl.

Afterwards she got upset and said she only got horny because I got horny (lies). And that she could never trust me again if i cheated.

interesting.. its hard to figure out tho

no, she's probably mad at u because u basically just told her u care more about that other girl than u did for her. man, just stop making her angry and hurt, if u care so much about that other girl than just dump ur girlfriend who u "love" so much. just dont cry when that girl doesnt like u and cheats on u then u go running back to ur girl, cuz she wont take u back. wat's so hard to figure out? she's hurt now. ur basically running on thin ice with her from wat it sounds. u "love" her so much? then go screw other girls. im sure that'll make her feel better.
 

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HoneyHitter said:
I used to think that what people call "cheating" is wrong.
That was when I lived according to Christian rules.

At age 21 I finally matured , I decided that I will not agree with things that don't make sense to me.

About Truth
Don't tell me about absolute "Truth" when all you are talking about is just a wild guess. Especially if you're too dumb to understand a mathematical proof, or even just highschool physics. Why the **** do people subject themselves to religions that are based on practically NOTHING that can be proved. I'm not saying people shouldn't be religious. I'm saying that people should be aware that they're really just "gambling" with the purpose of their lives.
Real scientists are not afraid to find out that their current model of reality lacks in certain aspects. Religious leaders (and their followers) don't even consider the possibility that their model of reality might be flawed.

Defeatist thinking
In classical physics, the "atom" was considered the core of all matter. But even though it may be the essence of chemistry and physics, scientists have not kept themselves from redefining the concept of the atom in order to get closer to REALITY. How many religions have redefined their concept of GOD?

Whenever religious people come across a paradox, they'll just say "Well, you should consider the context", or "That goes beyond the comprehension of man. God knows.". That's defeatist thinking. There hiding behind their "holy" scriptures. I know that people will start defending their religion and start barking at me for saying this:


Why else would you join a religion?
For fun?
For money?
For hot women?
For a more enjoyable life?


Scientists want to discover the TRUTH more than anything else. In the past, scientists have even risked their lives for that. Some people will probably answer with "Well, fundamentalists also risk their lives for the TRUTH!".

Let me tell you what the difference is: religion and truth are NOT the same things. Fundamentalists stay true to their religion. But nobody knows whether any religion is even close to the real TRUTH! Like I said before: it's just a wild guess at the truth. Just as it may be true, it may also be false.

Needless to say, if you die for your religion and it turns out to be false: no paradise, no eternal life, no happiness!
You accepted to invest in a "low-returnvalue-kind-of-life", expecting a huge reward after 30+ years. When you die. (Would you invest in a company that would only be able to give you the returnvalue when you died? Even if it can't be passed on to your dear ones?)

Lots of respect for your (relative) integrity, though.
But there's no one you can blame: you simply made a wrong bet!

In fact, choosing ONE a religion is definitely not the smartest thing to do. Religions are "models of reality". If you can't get over your fear of death, then the safest thing to do is betting on as many "models of reality" as possible. Treat it like you're buying stocks.
Otherwise, if you're fearless (thus a real DJ), the best thing would be to make your OWN model of reality by thinking for yourself and adopting the good concepts from other models.


Okay, now let me answer the question "Is cheating ok?".

Cheating is deception.
Deceit is saying one thing, while doing the exact opposite.


Having sex with other women is not the same as cheating!
You are cheating when you promised someone that you will not have sex with anyone else but your girlfriend/wife. This "someone" doesn't even have to be your girlfriend. Even if she's "okay" with it, it's not garanteed that you are not cheating.

The definition of "cheating" implies that the following logical statement is true.

"marry your girlfriend in church" AND "have sex with another woman" -> "cheating"

So, if either one (or both) of the premises "marry your girlfriend in church" or "have sex with another woman" is FALSE in your situation, than you are NOT "cheating".

Don't want to cheat?
Then don't vow "till death do us part", or anything like that to ANYONE!! Period.


This goes out to all our religious friends on this board.
Did you ever ask yourself any of these questions:
"Why do I believe my religion?"
"Why am I (not) a Christian"
"Why am I (not) a Muslim?"
"Why am I (not) a Buddhist?"
"What is my motivation for my religious life?"

Be honest with yourself first, and then to other people.

ur an idiot. i hope u have as many broken relationships as possible, just as long as u get ur fine STD'd pvssy.
u steal from sumone and told them that u never promised u wouldnt do it too?
 
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wolf116 said:
...ok, my gf just told me she kissed another guy when she was drunk. Atleast shes truthfull. unless she fvcked him that is.
Great, you have a truthful HOR!!! :up: :rolleyes: Hors always have an excuse - don't be so naive! And yes - she Sucked him good, so technically she is telling you the truth when she says she didn't Fvck him!! Don't you just love honest hors!!! :rolleyes:

My post below was correct....listen to experience kid!!

Last Man Standing said:
She is already horing so there is nothing stopping her from horing with other dudes - women do this all the time - dudes don't find out until she says "I need space". Only if you are courting for marriage are you then obligated to be faithful -- otherwise treat the hors like the hors that they are and and continue to be their pimp!!!
 

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Last Man Standing said:
Great, you have a truthful HOR!!! :up: :rolleyes: Hors always have an excuse - don't be so naive! And yes she Sucked him good so technically she is telling you the truth when she says she didn't Fvck him!! Don't you just love honest hors!!! :rolleyes:

My post below was correct....listen to experience kid!!
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man, alot of bitterness towards women on this site. u guys been hurt alot?
 
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Raikojo17 said:
man, alot of bitterness towards women on this site. u guys been hurt alot?
Don't hate reality kid -- take your blinders off -- you must not be from this planet or at least America!!

Pimp the hos!!!
 

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Last Man Standing said:
Don't hate reality kid -- take your blinders off -- pimp the hos!!!
lol im jus sayin, guys on here make women out to be walking horn balls who go around cheating on their men and having sex all the time. there r decent girls out there. i'd say a majority of them r. only attention *****s and sluts aernt faithful.
 
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lol im jus sayin, guys on here make women out to be walking horn balls who go around cheating on their men and having sex all the time. there r decent girls out there. i'd say a majority of them r. only attention *****s and sluts aernt faithful.
What do you define as "decent"? A decent woman is a "virgin" or a married woman devoted to her husband -- these other girls who are opening their legs to the their "boyfriends" (read pimp) are merely hors!!!!!! When you understand this you will have a much better understanding of these type women...errrrrr. hors!
 

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Raikojo17 said:
no, she's probably mad at u because u basically just told her u care more about that other girl than u did for her. man, just stop making her angry and hurt, if u care so much about that other girl than just dump ur girlfriend who u "love" so much. just dont cry when that girl doesnt like u and cheats on u then u go running back to ur girl, cuz she wont take u back. wat's so hard to figure out? she's hurt now. ur basically running on thin ice with her from wat it sounds. u "love" her so much? then go screw other girls. im sure that'll make her feel better.
I don't care about this other girl. Ive just got a crush on her cos shes hot. And she isnt angry or mad. only for a second. we love each other more then ever. She told me today that she got horny because she thinks this girl is hot too. Man this is good. Trust me, Im deffinetly not leaving this girl.
 

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That's the reason I said to talk to her. You are both 19, chances are she wants to experiment sexually too. She started by kissing another bloke however by societies (old religious) rules this is cheating so you feel you should get jealous and break up with her or she should EXPECT you to and see u as less of a man and therfore she will loose respect and cheat until you do.

It's all bollocks man, relationships are about communication. Chances are she might want to "play" with other girls or whatever and if you can except that and realise it's not a one way thing where only you get to "cheat" then you can keep an open relationship going and when you have finished experimenting enter into a monogomous relationship. I'm not saying it's easy but plenty of guy couples (men and women) behave like this but it actually makes them stronger. However if either of you have strong feelings for another person then it becomes VERY difficult and that's the danger. It's up to the both of you but keep talking.
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Yeah man I'm soo glad I talked to her about this.

In the old days I would haved cried if she told me she kissed someone else. Now I know I have options, and it's like well I'm gona do stuff now. I feel like I have the power. Now I check out girls infront of her and she hits me. But it makes her like me more, its strange. She knows if she isnt treating me right im gone. not like when I was an afc and I was wraped around her finger.

Im going to try and sex another girl soon. she dosen't need to know yet.

If she sexed another guy that she diden't have feelings for, I would get over it. Only If I had ****ed another girl tho. Because I would be like, so have I, and wouldent loose the power, and I think she would actually respect me more. because she knows I have options but am staying with her. But if I had been faithful and she cheated. I would dump her.Cos I would feel like a pu$$y and would probibly cry like one.
Then the best thing that ever happined to me would be over. I really want to stay with this girl.

ps. I dont think std's are much of a risk if i wear a condom. It's like the same risk as shareing your drink bottle.
 
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ps. I dont think std's are much of a risk if i wear a condom. It's like the same risk as shareing your drink bottle.
You need to do some studying!!!
 

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ok I will, thanks.

But seriously how many guys on here have had a serious std from protected sex(let me know). I can't see the chances being that high
 
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wolf116 said:
ok I will, thanks.

But seriously how many guys on here have had a serious std from protected sex(let me know). I can't see the chances being that high.
In the last two years I have seen Herpes commercials on constantly -- it's rampant when their advertising it on TV - for a non-cure!
 

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after research I found that getting std's from protected sex is low risk. herpes is a problem but not dangerious. recieving head is extreamly low. but giving oral is bad. Kissing is very low risk.

you can see herpes anyway.but imagine going down there with a flashlight. lol that wouldent work

everyone(religious people) are trying to scare us with the one in a million
 

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