Is a 41 y.o. man who gets an 18 y.o. woman a "master manipulator"?

[iqqi]

I am now 31 years old, and I think anyone under the area of 22 is a child. I look like I am 22 still, but I could not imagine hooking up with a 22 year old, especially younger. Why? Because their bodies may be mostly developed, but their minds are not developed. They are completely immature. They are naive. They have nothing to offer me, an adult who has has lived life and had experiences and has wisdom and insight.

I remember when I was 17 and I had a "thing" with a man who was 31. We went on a date, he was quite polite. He got a little too sexually suggestive, and luckily I was raised to be a strong thinker and not too insecure and susceptible to coercion. A part of me then knew that even though he was really handsome and cool and "adult", that something wasn't right with him being interested in me. I knew that even though I was already sexually active with my peers, that I was a child. And this was a grown asz man.

Now as a grown asz woman myself, I see exactly what it is when grown asz men or women try to have a sexual relationship with a child. It is fvcked up plain and simple. Something isn't right with that. This isn't to say that I don't see a child (whether he is 5 years old or 15 years old or even 22 years old) and think how hot that kid is going to be when he is an adult. I see little beauties all the time. But they are children and to think of them in a sexual way is not something that interests me.

Just imagining hooking up with a 13 or 14 year old makes me want to throw up. Disgusting.

All immoral behavior has an excuse by the mankind whom perpetuates it. That just makes me sad.

 

[MatureDJ]

I am now 31 years old, and I think anyone under the area of 22 is a child. I look like I am 22 still, but I could not imagine hooking up with a 22 year old, especially younger.

I am a childless 46, and I could see myself far more interested in a 22 y.o. then her 31 y.o. sister. Am I icky, Iqqi?

 

[AlNess]

I like your thinking C-quenced.

AIness, just because a man pays a compliment to a young woman does not imply anything else. You have a dirty mind.

Paying compliments to a young woman is one thing, and checking out an early-developed 12-13 year olds and saying "nice ass" while also thinking "Thank Heaven for little girls" is a whole other thing. Know the difference.

 

[AlNess]

Yeah you said it. Just look at these pedophiles.

That is a whole nother thing. It's also a whole nother thing when it comes to this thread, seeing how the dude met the girl when she was 14 or 15, not 12 or 13 uck.

Right, because there is such a world of difference between ages 13 and 14.

To the mods: Isn't the MM forum is for those aged 25+...?

 

[C-quenced]

I am now 31 years old, and I think anyone under the area of 22 is a child.

What you "think" is really nothing more then a plethora of your emotionally charged, OPINIONATED viewpoint. Please quit passing it off as hard facts as you did in your next few paragraphs. Other then that you're entitled to feel however you wish regarding this topic, so go ahead and feel as disgusted as you'd like. It's not going to make you right or give you any moral high ground.

 

[Down Low]

Paying compliments to a young woman is one thing, and checking out an early-developed 12-13 year olds and saying "nice ass" while also thinking "Thank Heaven for little girls" is a whole other thing. Know the difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyBffCiGr8c

 

[C-quenced]

My position on this topic primarily stems from my still-new experience of having a daughter. That has changed me in ways I never expected.

Not knocking on you dude but this also explains why you have yet to come up with anything rational to consider debating with. You didn't even need to disclose any of this information for me to understand your position, as your posts already gave you away beforehand. You're the kind of guy that (with every ounce of your being) would believe that his precious little bundle of joy is incapable of doing no wrong, and when the "impossible" somehow takes place, sexual or otherwise, the blame will always shift to someone or something else. Just blame everything on some filthy old pervert whom you have yet to meet 14+ years from now, who attempts to "coerce" your so called innocent daughter. I expect another anti-critical thinking, anti-logic knee jerk reaction from you and the rest of the "against" crowd. The lot of you already exhausted your attempts at reason and resort to emotionally charged responses.

 

[zekko]

Regarding the teacher/student relationship, do you guys have a problem with a teacher dating his college student? I think this is something that is currently frowned upon, although again it was very common back when I was growing up. I think the sexual harassment laws that have since developed are the main difference (notice the feminists at work again).

The reason I ask is that I was watching the original version of "The Nutty Professor" with Jerry Lewis the other day, and the professor and his student become involved. Speaking of which, Stella Stevens is smoking hot in that movie.

My niece is 17 and I would have serious, serious problems with anyone over 25 ish having anything to do with her in that way.

Well, what could you do about it? 17 would be too young for me personally, just to be clear. But in most states the age of consent is 17 or lower. Beat the guy up or threaten him and you're on the wrong side of the law.

This is terrible, but I always thought that if a brother had an issue with me dating his younger sister, a great response would be "What's the problem? Are you doing her?"

 

[AlNess]

Not knocking on you dude but this also explains why you have yet to come up with anything rational to consider debating with. You didn't even need to disclose any of this information for me to understand your position, as your posts already gave you away beforehand. You're the kind of guy that (with every ounce of your being) would believe that his precious little bundle of joy is incapable of doing no wrong, and when the "impossible" somehow takes place, sexual or otherwise, the blame will always shift to someone or something else. Just blame everything on some filthy old pervert whom you have yet to meet 14+ years from now, who attempts to "coerce" your so called innocent daughter. I expect another anti-critical thinking, anti-logic knee jerk reaction from you and the rest of the "against" crowd. The lot of you already exhausted your attempts at reason and resort to emotionally charged responses.

Come back and talk to me about this when you have a daughter of your own. If you end up never having one, you'll just never understand.

 

[AlNess]

Argument from authority.

Your opinions are valid, but telling someone they will "just never understand" exposes your argument as fallacious and demonstrates that you've failed to convince or persuade.

More like argument from experience. I don't expect to convince or persuade here. People's minds are made up, and people always find a way to rationalize and try to normalize their deviance.

But like I said before...when I was 22 and childless, I wouldn't have even cared about such a topic enough to form, let alone express, an opinion on it. 15 years ago, someone in my current position could've told me I'd never understand unless I had a daughter of my own.....and that person would have been right. Now as a father, aged 37, I have very strong convictions about this, primarily shaped by fatherhood. That particular experience makes all the difference; so no, someone who hasn't been through that wouldn't understand.

 

[Down Low]

What he meant is that your points are false because they are built on logical fallacies. You know, like saying you come to bury Caesar not to praise him. If you aren't trying "to convince or persuade", what are you doing posting a reply?

A teacher seduced a student. OK that's bad. She was below the age of consent when he did it. That's worse. He left his wife and children to be with her. Yeah, he's a moral basket case. End of story. Stop grinding your axe. You're grown up now. You're supposed to get over any deficiencies in your own childhood by the time you're 30. At least act like you did. Man up a little.

 

[AlNess]

A teacher seduced a student. OK that's bad. She was below the age of consent when he did it. That's worse. He left his wife and children to be with her. Yeah, he's a moral basket case. End of story.

That was my point all along. Thank you Captain Obvious.

Stop grinding your axe. You're grown up now. You're supposed to get over any deficiencies in your own childhood by the time you're 30. At least act like you did. Man up a little.

If you weren't a guy in his 50s who says "thank heaven for little girls" and claims that ALL men check out junior high girls who developed early, your comment above might carry some weight.

 

[AlNess]

I don't doubt your knowledge on the subject, but I wouldn't base it on whether or not you have a kid.

I do base it on that. Having a child changes you in ways you wouldn't believe, and one doesn't understand this until one goes through it. Reading about it or hearing about it from those who have gone through it are no substitutes. If having a child doesn't change a person, that person just wasn't designed to evolve much, if at all.

A lot of people who have kids don't know the first thing about parenting. I do understand where you're coming from, though, so I'm not trying to flame you or anything. Experience helps, but not everyone learns from it, and others can learn without it.

Which brings us back to my comment above.

 

[Bible_Belt]

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/police-ex-teacher-arrested-1409238.html

Police: Ex-teacher arrested for sex abuse of minor
April 6, 2012

The Associated Press

MODESTO, Calif. — A former California teacher who made national headlines when he left his job and family to move in with an 18-year-old student was arrested Friday on suspicion of sexually abusing a different student more than a decade ago, police said.

Police said the case stems from a 1998 relationship he had with a 17-year-old student from Davis High School in Modesto, where he once taught.

Hooker appeared in court Friday. A judge set his bail at $50,000 and assigned him a public defender, the Modesto Bee reported

Hooker requested that his bail amount be reduced, and the judge set a hearing next Tuesday to consider the matter.

Police said the investigation started after Hooker announced his relationship in February with Jordan Powers, whom he taught at Enochs High School in Modesto.

Appearing on numerous national talk shows and in news interviews, Hooker and Powers maintained they didn't have a sexual relationship until she turned 18, but police are investigating whether there was inappropriate contact before that.

In interviews for the "Dr. Phil" show and ABC's "Good Morning America," the couple can be seen holding hands and exchanging smiles.

Powers' mother, Tammie, confronted the couple on "Dr. Phil" and accused Hooker of brainwashing her daughter.

The couple maintains that, while they met when Jordan was 14, their relationship did not become physical until she was of age, making it permissible under current laws. California's age of consent is 18.

In response to the couple's relationship, a state lawmaker from Modesto last week proposed legislation that would ban student-teacher relationships regardless of age, even if the student is 18, and strip school employees of their pensions and retiree health care if they are convicted.

Republican Assemblywoman Kristin Olsen said her bill would prevent teachers from grooming students for relationships once they became adults. The bill would also forbid suggestive communication such as sexual text messages.

 

[zekko]

Danger posted a good link in another thread recently:

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/03/30/rules-of-the-road-for-fornication/

This shows that when I was born, the median age for girls to get married was 20! That's compared to 26.5 today.

When you are used to seeing half the girls get married at age 20, you can see why I am not overly shocked that some guy might have sex with a girl who is 17. There's not that much difference. If this guy was in another state, it would have been perfectly legal.

As it is, he's definitely guilty of poor judgement. And of course, since his story got into the media, the authorities will make sure he's nailed to the wall one way or other. My main gripe with him is the way he abandoned his family. It will be interesting to see if his 18 year old drops him after this.

In response to the couple's relationship, a state lawmaker from Modesto last week proposed legislation that would ban student-teacher relationships regardless of age

Great, just what we need. Another knee-jerk law in response to a media story to further curtail people's freedoms.

 

[don't]

Where did this crap of age 18 get started, anyway? 100 or so years ago, right here in US most women were mothers by age 16, married at 13. Most of the world, it's still that way. To hear people today, every woman in the 3rd world would have to be insane, having been 'molested" so much in her teens.

 

[Burroughs]

SHOWS OVER FOLKS!!

http://gma.yahoo.com/california-stu...lt-arrest-131605656--abc-news-topstories.html

 

[zekko]

Where did this crap of age 18 get started, anyway? 100 or so years ago, right here in US most women were mothers by age 16, married at 13. Most of the world, it's still that way. To hear people today, every woman in the 3rd world would have to be insane, having been 'molested" so much in her teens.

I was just thinking the other day how long humans today prepare for adulthood, how long they stay "in the nest" so to speak. Now days, it's not enough to go to high school until you're 18, now you're expected to go to college and get a degree too. That takes you at least until 22, and possibly longer. We're spending 1/3 of our lives just getting ready to work.

It's getting out of hand. Maybe they should cut regular school back to age 16, half the junk they teach, you don't use anyway. In the old agricultural societies, kids would be out working the fields by then.

SHOWS OVER FOLKS!!

http://gma.yahoo.com/california-stu...lt-arrest-131605656--abc-news-topstories.html

I like this quote from one of the comments:
"Kind of funny she didn't care about the wife but another 17 year old 14 years ago".

Now that she feels that she's been victimized, I wonder if she's going to come out and claim they had sex before she was 18, just to teach him a lesson. A woman scorned and all that.

The fact that he met the 17 year old online sounds a little better than her being his student. All he needed was Chris Hansen to pop out when he came to her house.

 

[DJDamage]

She would have left him regardless eventually. As the time passed, she started to see the guy for what he really was (an AFC). If she had still high interest in him, she would have defended him and stayed with him. Give me a break that you felt that everything was Kosher in your eyes because you did it with the teacher when you were 18 but because he did it to someone just a year younger then its already not ok.

Now we will get the circus of her going around talk shows talking about her "victimhood" while old feminists shriek in glee that they can once again show the world how evil men truly are.

 

[Poonani Maker]

This Hooker is a fvcking moron. Everybody on SS knows that women, especially barely legal women, can Not be relied upon, for Anything. They'll turn on you in a heartbeat, Especially when everybody (the Herd) is against you. NONE of them stick it out for you. None. They can sop up all the victimization feel-good crap and boo hoo hoo and me me me, and "I can't believe" "omg" and bla bluh bla bluh bla bluh bluh bluh and just lay on their backs and get fvck by some "other" guy or girl who is approved by the media, approved by this Amerikan USSA society and court system. When will the publicity stunts (to make money for those reporting it) to squeeze extra dimes from the populace, the easy money profit, the useless profit for useless people stop?? She's worthless, everybody reporting on it is worthless, and Hooker, while not totally worthless as a teacher, is an abject fool for going down that road, when it is better just to cheat if you be married with kids. Fools everywhere.