Is 30 too old?

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Just throwing it out there that since 29 I've never had it easier with younger girls. Part of me is terrified of losing this new found opportunity though, haha.

I have to admit I still have the same fear as OP, despite the fact that so many guys on these forums have said things only get better in your 30s. I'm keen to see how it pans out over the next decade..
 

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Activity and fun is a major goal for therapists in the treatment of depression.

Getting the person to become more active again. Sometimes even if it means just getting out of bed or going for a walk. And finding enjoyment in things that once was enjoyable or new things that are fun. These are key concepts.

30 is young. It's about being active, getting out there, being sociable. Pushing the comfort zone slowly. But being around people more and more often will help. Good luck, I wish you all the best!
 

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Poop1337 said:
I'm 30 and I could date an 18 year old or how ever young is legal. No it's not too old. I do think you're need to have women dominate you will turn a lot off though.
You are right it is not the norm for most women or people for that matter, in my experience around 1/10 women will be this way inclined whether or not they know it (some discover it later on due to societies demands on them).

I'd like to make a new thread about this subject to probe everyone's thoughts on this subject if you have any. Perhaps you guys could help.

Getting the person to become more active again. Sometimes even if it means just getting out of bed or going for a walk. And finding enjoyment in things that once was enjoyable or new things that are fun. These are key concepts.

30 is young. It's about being active, getting out there, being sociable. Pushing the comfort zone slowly. But being around people more and more often will help. Good luck, I wish you all the best!
Yes I am beginning to force myself to do this, although I must say up until the age of 25 I did go out often, depression or not. I think it's about learning to relax in social situations depressed or not, trouble is the slightest hint of anxiety triggers a bout.
 
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Now just repeating in my head "can never look back, can never look back, make the most of it now"
 

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I want to thank all of you. However I've come to the conclusion that I did miss the boat on early 20s girls, yes many of you guys in your 30s are comfortable dating a girl 10 years your younger, but I am not, I think 25 is my lower limit. Also being married in your 20s doesn't mean you missed out, it just means you had a very long LTR in your youth, much better than having had no experiences at all.

That said I still feel like I have unfinished business when it comes to going out, bars, clubs and social interaction, I never really conquered it just suffered from depression and social anxiety throughout the best years of my life.

Now I have nothing to loose, my objective would simply be to be comfortable and relaxed interacting in such an environment (so as not to trigger a depressive bout) and I'm not a one night stand type of guy and don't want to be shagging left right and centre so not sure pure PUA is really my thing.

Will be reading the bible, glad I found this site.
 
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Baby steps man. Just keep moving forward and make approaches. I really think your limiting yourself horribly by feeling so uncomfortable going after under 25 girls. Let's be realistic you're going to feel uncomfortable going after a 25 and up girl too with your mindset. You meet a 26 year old I bet you'll have the same feelings. You're just coming up with excuses not to approach the most attractive girls by saying she's too young. My target range is young but legal. I hit on pretty girls. Too me a pretty girl looks youthful. Now a 29 year old girl can look youthful but that means I'm surprised when she's 29 instead of say 22. It's not a happy surprise either. Take the exact same girl and I'd be happier to find out she is 21 then 28 for example. Let the law and your attraction determine who you go after.
 

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Spence said:
I want to thank all of you. However I've come to the conclusion that I did miss the boat on early 20s girls, yes many of you guys in your 30s are comfortable dating a girl 10 years your younger, but I am not, I think 25 is my lower limit. Also being married in your 20s doesn't mean you missed out, it just means you had a very long LTR in your youth, much better than having had no experiences at all.

That said I still feel like I have unfinished business when it comes to going out, bars, clubs and social interaction, I never really conquered it just suffered from depression and social anxiety throughout the best years of my life.

Now I have nothing to loose, my objective would simply be to be comfortable and relaxed interacting in such an environment (so as not to trigger a depressive bout) and I'm not a one night stand type of guy and don't want to be shagging left right and centre so not sure pure PUA is really my thing.

Will be reading the bible, glad I found this site.
if only women could retain their youthfulness even longer
 

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Spence said:
I want to thank all of you. However I've come to the conclusion that I did miss the boat on early 20s girls, yes many of you guys in your 30s are comfortable dating a girl 10 years your younger, but I am not, I think 25 is my lower limit. Also being married in your 20s doesn't mean you missed out, it just means you had a very long LTR in your youth, much better than having had no experiences at all.

That said I still feel like I have unfinished business when it comes to going out, bars, clubs and social interaction, I never really conquered it just suffered from depression and social anxiety throughout the best years of my life.

Now I have nothing to loose, my objective would simply be to be comfortable and relaxed interacting in such an environment (so as not to trigger a depressive bout) and I'm not a one night stand type of guy and don't want to be shagging left right and centre so not sure pure PUA is really my thing.

Will be reading the bible, glad I found this site.
Which is why all of those sexually attractive desire young late teens and 20-something women, I laugh at them once they reach their 30's or 40's
 

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Which is why all of those sexually attractive desire young late teens and 20-something women, I laugh at them once they reach their 30's or 40's
Sounds very jaded. I'm not going to laugh at older women.
 

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Sounds very jaded. I'm not going to laugh at older women.
why are you not going to laugh at them? I would say they deserve that as karma for all of those years of friend-zoning and rejecting nice guys when they were in their prime years, late teens and throughout their 20's, having it so easy, easy in the sense that all they have to do is just show up in order to meet guys, they don't have to initiate anything
 

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Because its like all girls have to be is young, and they just have to show up, that's all in order to get a guy, but in order for a guy to get a girl it involves a lot more than that, makes me hate, despise, loathe reality for being the way it is
 

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Because its like all girls have to be is young, and they just have to show up, that's all in order to get a guy, but in order for a guy to get a girl it involves a lot more than that, makes me hate, despise, loathe reality for being the way it is
Well all that, everything you wrote just does sound jaded, you can't blame women for being women, anymore than you can blame yourself for being attracted to hot women.

I know you guys have insisted to the contrary, but yes getting a girl in bed in her young 20s aged 30 and above is possible, but I would not say it is natural.

You do not get the natural experiences and opportunities that you did when you were younger, at least I don't. i.e meeting a girl who is clearly interested in you who is 20, being relaxed and yourself (and not depressed) and letting it progress from there.
 

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Well all that, everything you wrote just does sound jaded, you can't blame women for being women, anymore than you can blame yourself for being attracted to hot women.

I know you guys have insisted to the contrary, but yes getting a girl in bed in her young 20s aged 30 and above is possible, but I would not say it is natural.

You do not get the natural experiences and opportunities that you did when you were younger, at least I don't. i.e meeting a girl who is clearly interested in you who is 20, being relaxed and yourself (and not depressed) and letting it progress from there.
I guess just angry and bitter over not experiencing these things by my late teens or early 20's when most people have, I hate being different and girls are far less likely to be late bloomers than guys are since they are valued for their youth so much
 

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IMO yes it is. Men always talk about how they have a longer time to enjoy their prime and that is true but the problem is that guys who do well into their 30s are those who go in with experience. At this point all I can say is find some hobbies and start out with baby steps. Going to a bar or some crowded place will probably destroy your self-esteem. There is a movie called the "40 year old virgin" which gives a lot of good advice in terms of being a virgin at that late of an age.
 

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Good Gao said:
IMO yes it is. Men always talk about how they have a longer time to enjoy their prime and that is true but the problem is that guys who do well into their 30s are those who go in with experience. At this point all I can say is find some hobbies and start out with baby steps. Going to a bar or some crowded place will probably destroy your self-esteem. There is a movie called the "40 year old virgin" which gives a lot of good advice in terms of being a virgin at that late of an age.
Ya that sums it up in a nutshell, if a mans dating/sexual market value increases as he ages, he is required to have experience and success with girls when he was either in his teens or 20's, usually before age 25
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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So women deserve that karma once they get older, for their lack of initiative towards guys
 

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Im 31 now, and get way more attention/action than i was in my 20's for sure - Men get better looking with age, where as woman are the opposite - Apparently :)
 

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The answer you've gotten over and over is true - at 30 you can bang 18 year olds all day if you know where to put your effort. And you can bang hot 50 year olds too. The world is your oyster my friend.

Was only with one woman until age 38. Then divorced. I'm nothing special but I've banged plenty of 20 somethings over the last 8 years. Thank you game.

BUT, you need to really get a handle on the big D first. And if you are submissive, you are dramatically limiting your options - most women want and need a dominant man. In life and in bed.

I'd say working on your skillz w/women will boost your mood, but i would be careful about putting that first.

Work on hobbies, interests, getting in shape, the old being happy with yourself thing, do that for a few months. Pare back on the ADs as much as is possible (titrate?) and boost your mood naturally.

Women can sniff out depression and insecurity and unless you want an insecure depressed GF, you need to fix that as much as you are able...

Good luck my friend
 

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Backwardsman said:
Im 31 now, and get way more attention/action than i was in my 20's for sure - Men get better looking with age, where as woman are the opposite - Apparently :)
that's karma for women for their lack of approaching guys, for their lack of initiative
 

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The answer you've gotten over and over is true - at 30 you can bang 18 year olds all day if you know where to put your effort. And you can bang hot 50 year olds too. The world is your oyster my friend.

Was only with one woman until age 38. Then divorced. I'm nothing special but I've banged plenty of 20 somethings over the last 8 years. Thank you game.

BUT, you need to really get a handle on the big D first. And if you are submissive, you are dramatically limiting your options - most women want and need a dominant man. In life and in bed.

I'd say working on your skillz w/women will boost your mood, but i would be careful about putting that first.

Work on hobbies, interests, getting in shape, the old being happy with yourself thing, do that for a few months. Pare back on the ADs as much as is possible (titrate?) and boost your mood naturally.

Women can sniff out depression and insecurity and unless you want an insecure depressed GF, you need to fix that as much as you are able...

Good luck my friend
Thanks pbsurf, really helpful encouragement around here, I suppose I should just give a **** and see what happens when I'm out.

I am getting into shape work out hard everyday, surprised how fast the 6 pack is coming back and I can now see 4 again (last time I saw the 6-8 was 22-23 :) )

BUT, you need to really get a handle on the big D first...

Women can sniff out depression and insecurity and unless you want an insecure depressed GF, you need to fix that as much as you are able...
Yes they can for sure, I'm afraid with the depression I may have it for life its a chemical thing, I am doing my best to deal with it trying new things. Although that said James Dean had that dark depressive thing (but also rebellious thing) about him that girls went wild for. Perhaps accepting it is a step in the right direction.

Men always talk about how they have a longer time to enjoy their prime and that is true but the problem is that guys who do well into their 30s are those who go in with experience. At this point all I can say is find some hobbies and start out with baby steps. Going to a bar or some crowded place will probably destroy your self-esteem. There is a movie called the "40 year old virgin" which gives a lot of good advice in terms of being a virgin at that late of an age.
Yea too true experience is what should make you better in this field, not too sure about the movie, but maybe studying some PUA and inner game may help somewhat or help me catch up.

And if you are submissive, you are dramatically limiting your options - most women want and need a dominant man. In life and in bed.
I'm not submissive in real life at all. In bed, well I suppose I can meet in the middle, but it'd be so much hotter for me to let her be the aggressor once things have started i.e. I'm happy to escalate to that point etc. I know these women are out there because I have been hit on by them (albeit when I was unwell), just they are a rarer breed.

that's karma for women for their lack of approaching guys, for their lack of initiative
Jaegerpilot your bitterness and jaded approach to the opposite sex does you no good whatsoever, although it may drive you to some short term successes it will come around and bite you eventually. Turn the thoughts you have around on their head. YOU were the problem because you didn't know how to interact with girls and turn them on.

Think of it as your duty now to do that and educate yourself and practice, and give them the best ONS's they've ever had, because they can't make that happen, a man needs to make it happen. Read Minimal Game by Aaron Sleazy it will help you.
 
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