Is 30 too old?

[RedZone]

It's never to late.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Keep in mind that super young chicks are way overrated, IMHO. There isn't a huge difference between banging a 23 yo vs a 26 yo but the bullsh*t that goes along with the 23 yo is far, far greater than the 26 yo.

^^ No, I'd have to say 18 to 21 yr olds (proof of legality attached) are perfectly fine, 22 to 27, great. Anything after that, You. Have. Problems. Anything after that, physically you have problems, and Mentally, you are sure to have problems, such as, Alwaysssss asking you millions of questions about stuff that is utterly meaningless. Many of the older women, women in their 30s are so unattractive to me because they are always second-guessing me and interviewing me and it's "as if" I'm with a psychiatrist or psychologiest with all these sundry questions that I don't want to answer. Why do all "older" women have to be so investigatory towards me, why don't she just fvckkin shut up!

 

[Kailex]

Do you still get an erection? If yes, then not too late.

 

[Spence]

Jesus god alive mate sounds like you’ve condemned yourself to wallow around in self pity for the rest of your years

“A good looking man is like a fine malt whiskey he simply gets better with age.....”

You’re in the prime of your life and your wasting it worrying about depression and anxiety

All of your issues are self manifested and therefore can be corrected as long as you have the inner strength to correct them

get out of London ,go somewhere less hectic, get some ecstasy maybe some weed too and start socialising like fvck !!

I didn't decide to get depression, I don't decide to think about it, doctors told me I have a chemical imbalance without cause. For example I get a bout of depression from simply getting tired when I work, I start "feeling" horrible first for no particular reason then unfortunately it affects my thoughts and I start "thinking" horrible. For example I'm a very good driver I know I am a very good driver, but if I have a depressive bout I do not allow myself to drive because it goes to crap.

Taking any kind of recreational drugs, is depression suicide for me and will cause me a lot of suffering.

I don't want to actually wallow in self-pity, but firmly closing the book and accepting an era was over (rather than trying to catch up with it) is in my mind accepting reality and moving on.

I am dealing with the depression by identifying it as foreign and trying to relax with meditation exercises and such, and I am getting better at it, this makes the episodes shorter.

Besides, you've got to be kidding thinking that 30 is too old. Do you look old? I hardly ever tell women my age...and if they're curious LIE, it has nothing to do with anything....it's not a job interview.

Unfortunately I do look older than I am, I look around 35 I'd say.

^^ No, I'd have to say 18 to 21 yr olds (proof of legality attached) are perfectly fine, 22 to 27, great. Anything after that, You. Have. Problems. Anything after that, physically you have problems, and Mentally, you are sure to have problems, such as, Alwaysssss asking you millions of questions about stuff that is utterly meaningless. Many of the older women, women in their 30s are so unattractive to me because they are always second-guessing me and interviewing me and it's "as if" I'm with a psychiatrist or psychologiest with all these sundry questions that I don't want to answer. Why do all "older" women have to be so investigatory towards me, why don't she just fvckkin shut up!

Probably because they are looking to settle down and get serious with someone and have kids, women have a biological clock that cannot be messed around with, if they don't do what their natural urges want them to do by their mid-30s they are in trouble psychologically as you have expressed.

I get the same from women around my age, they are looking to settle down, I don't remember any such questions when I was in my 20s up until 27-28.

I don't want to be the old perv trying it on with out of natural age range girls, simply because I missed out when I was younger, but I am also not the kind of material late 20s and early 30s women would want either for so many reasons..

 

[JaegerPilot217]

Yea I've already slept with some high class hookers, actually just as therapy for the illness (some members of my family suggested and encouraged it to help my mental health). When it comes to sex itself there is no problem, I seem to be something of a natural in that department. I still class it as virginity however because it never happened naturally.

It's what happens in between a girl clearly showing you signs of attraction, i.e. stroking your hand, then intimacy and sex that is the problem for me.

Before depression when I was a teenager I used to suffer some anxiety with attractive girls (normal I think to everyone), but in my 20s when depression hit me that feeling actually became like a rat eating your insides, it is a feeling like needing to commit suicide, very difficult to hide it and it can be read on your face, women can read it.

It also means I cannot drink alcohol because that starts a depressive episode even when I take extra medication before going out, and that means I have to go home and curl up in bed until the storm passes.

There are a few other aspects to me also that are a problem 1) is I'm introverted and 2) sexually submissive. Both are hardwired in me, especially no.2 and although I have regular sex fantasies also it is an emotional requirement and there are very few sexually dominant women out there in my experience and it gives me no pleasure to dominate a woman in bed (which is what many of them want), being the sexual aggressor doesn't seem natural to me, but not responding or going with females initiating is one of my problems.

I have been told by 21 year olds I'm too old in bars and clubs, happened not once between 28-30. It really pains me that I didn't get to experience young love as a young man.

although i'm still in my 20's, I wish I got to experience younger love when I was under 25, like late teens or early 20's

 

[JaegerPilot217]

Even though us guys are supposed to feel very lucky and fortunate to be born male, a guy, because there are so many years of our life we can increase our attractiveness, but I will admit I am jealous and envious of girls when they are young, such as late teens and early 20's, all they have to do is just show up, go out, nothing else except look good

 

[Zarky]

Even though us guys are supposed to feel very lucky and fortunate to be born male, a guy, because there are so many years of our life we can increase our attractiveness, but I will admit I am jealous and envious of girls when they are young, such as late teens and early 20's, all they have to do is just show up, go out, nothing else except look good

True but there's a looooong anticlimax between the ages of ~28 and death for women. I'd rather peak late than early.

 

[geekymicky]

OP is your depression fixed now? I should get that fixed first before trying to get women.

Have you had it for 10 years? Why is it only now starting to fix?

Have you tried taking antidepressants, or if you have, different antidepressants? They work.

 

[Spence]

OP is your depression fixed now? I should get that fixed first before trying to get women.

Have you had it for 10 years? Why is it only now starting to fix?

Have you tried taking antidepressants, or if you have, different antidepressants? They work.

I still get bouts, I am still involved with it lets say. I've had psychotherapy and medication, lots of it.

I am getting better I'd say because I am learning to live with it and trying to relax, I am trying different things relaxation techniques etc. they are helping, there are some other things I've been doing but I'd rather not discuss it openly.

Depression ruined my 20s so waiting for it to be cured is not going to help, I waited long enough, and my main problem is I missed out some girlfriends especially the 20-25 age range. If I can accept that which I'm finding it difficult to do I do feel a lot better about the subject.

I just don't want to be that guy in his 30s hitting on young 20s girls which are out of his age range imo.

 

[MtnMan]

you sounds like a broken record!!

You CAN be the guy in his 30's hitting on girls in their 20's!!!!!

It's not too late, but you must take the required action of self improvement, and game education.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

True but there's a looooong anticlimax between the ages of ~28 and death for women. I'd rather peak late than early.

Ya the way I see it is that for us guys its literally a matter of knowing how to get a girlfriend or get laid, for girls its not a matter of knowing how to get a boyfriend or get laid, it just comes to them, happens out of thin air for girls meanwhile guys have to make things happen, while I've learned its good to be in the assertive/active role, just wish I had those skills earlier, wish I had the knowledge I have now or better when I was in my late teens or early 20's when most guys have had their first girlfriend already

 

[Spence]

you sounds like a broken record!!

You CAN be the guy in his 30's hitting on girls in their 20's!!!!!

It's not too late, but you must take the required action of self improvement, and game education.

Yes I think you're right to some extent but I don't think it helps that sometimes I am feeling quite down when I write. It's a bit of a catch 22 because I'd like to improve my interaction with women but doing so opens the book again that I'd so like to dearly close, thinking about it certainly makes a bout apparent.

Am I right in thinking that many of the guys here are literally just looking to get women in bed for ONS etc. because I'm really not that kind of a guy, I've read people saying I got out of a 7 year marriage 30-something to game young 20 year olds etc.

I don't really want to manipulate girls a decade younger than me to get into bed seems jaded, yea enjoy themselves etc. for sure, but too often game approach makes young women out to be the enemies to be conquered and then discarded.

Please correct me if I'm wrong..

JaegerPilot217 can I ask how old you are btw?

 

[MtnMan]

the reality is that girls in their 20's already have far more game than most guys will EVER have. Sleeping with them/dating them is not manipulating them. They are old enough to know what they are doing, you just need to learn how to play the game and get access to them.

I recently dated a 24y.o. hb7. I am so far ahead of her in life, its not even funny. However, she basically out gamed me. Her game was so tight, and mine had many holes that became apparent. I would never feel bad about gaming girls in their 20's.

The entire concept of game is to level the playing field since women naturally dominate in our current dating market.

Sure there are guys that might manipulate women, but that is not the mission of this site.

Game applies to all dealings with women including, but not limited too; one night stands, short term dating, long term dating, marriage, etc.

You can apply it any way you choose.

 

[YAboi]

hell no its not to late. There are dudes in their 40's that bang girls in their 20's.

Lets be real though, you have A LOT of work to do. You might want to consider banging a decent prostitute just to get the mechanics of sex down a bit. I probably would do this in your situation. I remember being real nervous about actually doing the deed, until I actually did it.

If you want to get good with women, the information is on this site and others. But you must put in the work.

Its not to late, you just need to want it for real.

I am not a virgin by any means, but I lived in LTR land from 20-30 and thus missed out on my prime "hooking up" years.

At first I felt like all hope is lost, but now after learning some game and seeing positive results, I realize I can still game girls all I want at 30 and above.

Do not listen to this guy ^^^^ stay away from prostitutes . Visit here instead ---> http://www.stoplosingwomen.com/notperfect/ and download the audiobook "how to win friends and influence people". The name sounds corny but it is a damn good book.

 

[MtnMan]

yea dont listen to me, everything i have said is null and void b/c you disagree with one point.

OP, do whatever you want, but there is a lot of good info in this thread.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

Yes I think you're right to some extent but I don't think it helps that sometimes I am feeling quite down when I write. It's a bit of a catch 22 because I'd like to improve my interaction with women but doing so opens the book again that I'd so like to dearly close, thinking about it certainly makes a bout apparent.

Am I right in thinking that many of the guys here are literally just looking to get women in bed for ONS etc. because I'm really not that kind of a guy, I've read people saying I got out of a 7 year marriage 30-something to game young 20 year olds etc.

I don't really want to manipulate girls a decade younger than me to get into bed seems jaded, yea enjoy themselves etc. for sure, but too often game approach makes young women out to be the enemies to be conquered and then discarded.

Please correct me if I'm wrong..

JaegerPilot217 can I ask how old you are btw?

I'm 26, will be 27 next year, was a virgin until 25 last year, did it with a friend with benefits, but still haven't officially had a girlfriend yet, as for the friend with benefits, I just lowered my standards to make it happen, haven't been naked yet with a girl I'm seriously hardcore attracted to, its not that I haven't tried although I could have done it more just was not persistent enough earlier, I'm sure I could have had a girlfriend a long time ago if I lowered my standards as well but the girls that I want are usually always taken, anyway it's a long story

 

[Spence]

the reality is that girls in their 20's already have far more game than most guys will EVER have. Sleeping with them/dating them is not manipulating them. They are old enough to know what they are doing, you just need to learn how to play the game and get access to them.

I see

I recently dated a 24y.o. hb7. I am so far ahead of her in life, its not even funny. However, she basically out gamed me. Her game was so tight, and mine had many holes that became apparent. I would never feel bad about gaming girls in their 20's.

I'd be interested in hearing what happened, how you met etc.

The entire concept of game is to level the playing field since women naturally dominate in our current dating market.

Sure there are guys that might manipulate women, but that is not the mission of this site.

Game applies to all dealings with women including, but not limited too; one night stands, short term dating, long term dating, marriage, etc.

You can apply it any way you choose.

Got it, I understand now and its certainly nice to have the knowledge I suppose in any case.

yea dont listen to me, everything i have said is null and void b/c you disagree with one point.

OP, do whatever you want, but there is a lot of good info in this thread

I appreciate everyone's views/advice including yours.

Is there reading one can do if one is introverted, I am not an extrovert its alien to me and forcing myself to be like that is unnatural. I suppose strong silent is what I'm like when I've managed to be relaxed around women.

 

[rhythmic]

Think of you, on your death bed. Do you think that man will think 30 was too old? Or do you think he would slap your 30 year old self, and say "get the fvck on with it"?

 

[MtnMan]

I'd be interested in hearing what happened, how you met etc.

Ok, quickly. I met 24y.o. hb7 in a bar. She was a friend of a friend. I was immediately attracted to her, something about her eyes. Struck up a convo with her, flirted hard, venue changed her a couple times. It was one of those nights when I was on 100%. I was ****y, funny, and just really didn't give a fvck. I walked her back to her house, used the excuse that "i just needed to use the bathroom" Fooled around, but no sex. Hung out the next morning some. Got her number, set up a date later that week, hung out/banged 4 or 5 times with her.

I think I started to get a bit needy, I failed a couple of her $hit tests, got offended by some of her behavior and let it show. I don't know why exactly she started going distant, but I think some of my AFC behavior started to show. Maybe a better offer came along, who knows. (and who really cares at this point!)

My best game was enough to keep her interested, but as soon as my game slipped up, she started to loose interest fast. I felt like I was being gamed by her.

I still had a great time, but it left me wanting more. And thus my point....girls in their 20's certainly know what they are doing, and you ARE NOT manipulating them by dating/banging them.

 

[Poop1337]

I'm 30 and I could date an 18 year old or how ever young is legal. No it's not too old. I do think you're need to have women dominate you will turn a lot off though.