Iron Rules of Tomassi

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I did a search and I was only able to find Rules 2, 3, 4, 9 and another unnumbered rule. Does anyone know what the other rules are?

Iron Rule of Tomassi # 2

NEVER, under pain of death, honestly or dishonsetly reveal the number of women you've slept with or explain any detail of your sexual experiences with them to a current lover.

The single most disastrous AFC move a man can make is to OVERTLY describe past sexual experiences and/or give a number (accurate or not) to how many women he's been with prior to the one he's with. This simple act, whether you offered the information or she dragged it out of you, ALWAYS comes off as pretensiousness and is often the catalyst for an avalanche of emotional resentment, if not outright emotional blackmail from an insecure woman. This is a rookie mistake that will only take you once to learn.

If a woman puts you on the spot by directly asking you for this information always sidestep this COVERTLY. C&F works wonders in this situation and still keeps the air of mystery and challenge about you.

Her: "So how many girls have you been with?"
You: "You're my first actually"
Her: "Really, how many girls have you been with?"
You:" You mean tonight?"
Her: "C'mon, how many girls have you been with?"
You: "You know, I really lost count after 50" (or something outrageous).

When a woman asks you this question she is seeking confirmation of what she already suspects - NEVER give her this satisfaction. When a woman resorts to OVERT communication (COVERT being her native language) she's generally exhausted her patience to be COVERT and this is a desperation tactic for an insecure woman.

Just so you know, you're in the position of the girl who asks this sh!t.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #3

Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

When women make you wait for sex you are not their highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It's sex first, then relationship, not the other way around. A woman who wants to fukk you will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, ƒuck the sh!t out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work - women who want to ƒuck will find a way to ƒuck. The girl who tells you she wants a relationship first is the same girl who fukked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break half an hour after meeting him.

If a girl is that into you she'll ƒuck regardless of ASD or having her friends in the room videotaping it at a frat party. All women can be sluts, you just have to be the right guy to bring it out in them, and this happens before you go back to her place. If you have to plead your case cuddling and spooning on the bed or getting the occasional peck on the cheek, you need to go back to square one and start fresh.


Iron Rule of Tomassi #4

NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren't married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.

You are utterly powerless in this situation. NEVER buy a home with a girlfriend, NEVER sign a rental lease with a girlfriend. NEVER agree to move into her home and absolutely NEVER move a woman into your own established living arrangement. I'm adamantly opposed to the "shacking up" dynamic, it is a trap that far too many men allow themselves to fall into. My fervor agianst this isn't based on some moral issue, it it simple pragmatism. I know a fellow right now who is in the pit of misery with a girl he signed an apartment lease with for a year and has had to basically live with his ex for the past 5 months and wont get out of the lease until May. If you live with a woman you may as well be married because upon doing so every liability and accountability of marriage is then in effect. You not only lose any freedom of annonymity you commit to, legally, being responsible for the continuation of your living arrangements regardless of how your relationship decays.

I should also emphasize the point that when you commit (and it is a financial committment) to cohabiting with a GF you will notice a marked decrease in her sexual availability and desire, trust me on this. All of that competitive anxiety and it's resulting sexual tension that made your single sex life so great is removed from her shoulders and she can comfortably relax in the knowledge that she is your ONLY source of sexual intimacy. Putting your name on that lease with her (even if it's just your name) is akin to signing an insurance polcy for her - "I the undersigned promise not to fukk any woman but this girl for a one year term." She thinks, "if he wasn't serious about me, he wouldn't have signed the lease." Now all of that impetus and energy that made having marathon sex with you an outright necessity is relaxed. She controls the frame and she's got it in writing that it is for at least a year.

Just don't do it. Relationships last best when you spin more plates or at the very least keep each other at arm's distance. Look how this applies to your situation here.



Iron Rule of Tomassi #9

NEVER SELF-DEPRECIATE under any circumstance. This is a Kiss of Death that you self-initiate and is the antithesis of the PRIZE mentality. Once you've accepted yourself as a "complete douche" there's no going back to confidence with a woman. Never appeal to a woman's sympathies, her sympathies are given by her own volition, NEVER when they are begged for. Even if you don't seriously consider yourself pathetic, it never serves your best interest to paint yourself as pathetic. Self-Depreciation is a misguided tool for the AFC, and not something a true DJ will ever consider.

That said self-depreciation is pervasive and something that I myself have been guilty of in the past. You have to be hyper-aware of it and unlearn it. You have to catch yourself in mid-sentence so to speak. Women operate in the sub-communications and when you OVERTLY admit to a lack of confidence you may as well just LJBF yourself. That's a strong impression you wont recover from. Women want a compitent, confident, decisive Man not one who's self-image is that of a "complete douche" or even a partial douche. I should add that when you become hyper-aware of this you can also turn it to your own advantage when AMOGing or you're working a girl with a self-depreciative BF or other suitor. It's all too easy to reinforce her estimation of a guy like this by covertly confirming it for her, while at the same time playing up your own confidence and value.

All of this is not to say that it's wrong to recognize your own weaknesses and understanding when you're in the wrong. It's simply how you go about addressing them that's the point. We had a thread here not too long ago about admitting when both of you are wrong and this got me to thinking about healthy ways of communicating this. There are plenty of way to assume the responsibilties of fault that aren't self-depreciating. The easiest way is to always adopt the attitude that you're 'getting better all the time'. This mentality fosters confidence and projects ambition, whereas self-depreciation shoves your nose in the dog sh!t and says "please love me anyway?"

Alright, time for another Iron Rule of Tomassi:

No Girlfriend is ALWAYS preferable to settling for any girlfriend.

The opposite of this smacks, no, it reeks of ONEitis, a complete lack of confidence and supplication. You are not the PRIZE, if you'll settle for anything less than an optimal situation with a woman and the women you would want to get with will pick up on this like you were wearing a sandwich board on a busy intersection advertising it. A man's default should ALWAYS be to opt for no attachment rather than becoming involved in a less than perfect opportunity. Your independence is your strongest attractant and something a man should jealously guard - only then will he, and the woman chooses to share it with truly appreciate his own value.

Also, while I will agree that rating a woman on a 1-10 scale is most definitely adjusted by geographical regions, I also think that there is no such thing as a perfect 10 based only on her appearance. Performance makes up that last point. I wouldn't buy a Corvette that had a moped engine under the hood.
 

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The Cardinal Rule of Relationships

In any relationship, whether romantic, personal, business or familial, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

This may sound Machievelian, but it holds true, especially in marriage. If you need to ask yourself who has the greater degree of control in your relationship the answer is always her. Just like a good DJ knows, she must come to you. If you are the PRIZE and she recognizes this, you wlll inspire genuine desire. Women don't want to marry other women (with the obvious exceptions), they want to marry men and you have to man up and be a Man to do so. So many married guys I know have walked their entire married lives on eggshells becasue they put their wives in a position of being the gatekeeper of his own sexuality. "She's got the vagina man, I don't wanna piss her off" is the mantra they repeat to them and themselves. This then flows over into other aspects of their lives and places a woman (often unwantedly so) into becoming the authority in the marriage. If you are unwilling to step into the position of control, decisiveness and leadership confidently, she will only too readily do so in order to self-satisfy her need for security. I see far too many married AFCs allow their wives to step into this power vacuum because they're too chickensh!t to risk their wives withholding sex on them. Just as in single life, if her intimacy is used as her agency to get a desired behavior from her husband that's the value it has. No woman's vagina is ever worth compromising her respect of you. When you can prove to her that her pvssy is no longer a rewarding reinforcer for her desired behavior of you, you remove this agency and reset yoursef on at least a partial footing of your prior bachelorhood. Let her imagination work for you; if she believes you are still a PRIZE that other women would potentially compete for, even while married, you maintain the frame of the marriage.

As I stated, women don't want to marry other women, neither do they want to marry themselves. In becoming accommodating for her by allowing her sexuality to dictate their behavior, men often see identifying with a woman as the best course of not only ensure a consistent flow of sex, but also as a means to "keep the peace." And like in single life, this ends up putting a man in a sort of married 'friends zone', with which a woman feels obligated to have sex occasionally, and put's the frame of the marriage firmly on her terms. It's an unspoken aggrement that she controls by virtue of her sexuality. You've got to avoid these traps by maintaining a stubborn sense of your own identity and actively protect against identifying with her. You have to make her want you, by being her opposite.
 

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NEVER, under pain of death, honestly or dishonsetly reveal the number of women you've slept with or explain any detail of your sexual experiences with them to a current lover.


I like to steer that question into an endless debate about whether midgets count as one or one-half.
 

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I completely agree with his rule about no girlfriend is better than settling for any girlfriend.

I disagree about his sex rule. Not all women "withhold" sex as power play.
 

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iqqi said:
I disagree about his sex rule. Not all women "withhold" sex as power play.
Tell me, what other reason would a woman withhold sex?
 

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iqqi said:
I disagree about his sex rule. Not all women "withhold" sex as power play.
That's funny, cause one who i thought likely to never do something like that tried to pull that on me today. She just broke up with her "finacee" and when I mentioned something about us hooking up she started talking about how she's through with random hookups and only wants sex inside a meaningful relationship.

Yea right.....I'll have her panties soaking next time i see her. I don't play that "I'll only fukk you if you will be my boyfriend" sh!t. Not if it's coming from a chick I've already banged anyway.
 

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Mr.Positive said:
Tell me, what other reason would a woman withhold sex?
Some women would refrain from having sex too soon because it can confuse emotions. Some women value getting to know someone well before they share their bodies, or that kind of intimacy.

A wise move, anyways, IMO. Considering all the repercussions of sleeping with someone you really don't know very well. Such as herpes. (Just one example for the less creative).
 

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A wise move, anyways, IMO

Not if you want me to call again. Guys who are in demand and do well with women always have a girl who will put out showing interest. Why should I not get laid with you when other girls will give it up in exchange for my attention? Guys who will keep calling after not getting laid are pathetic losers. If you want a stable of AFCs, then you keep not putting out. I'm off with a girl who does.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
A wise move, anyways, IMO

Not if you want me to call again. Guys who are in demand and do well with women always have a girl who will put out showing interest. Why should I not get laid with you when other girls will give it up in exchange for my attention? Guys who will keep calling after not getting laid are pathetic losers. If you want a stable of AFCs, then you keep not putting out. I'm off with a girl who does.
Well, exactly my point. Many women would weed you out by not sleeping with you.

Not all "in demand" men sleep around, either. Believe it or not!
 

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Regarding Iron Rule of Tomassi #3:

Just because Tomassi says it don't necessarily make it always true.

People have lots of reasons for doing (or not doing) what they do.

Use your own judgment, people!

Where's Last Man Standing when we need him?
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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iqqi said:
Well, exactly my point. Many women would weed you out by not sleeping with you.

Not all "in demand" men sleep around, either. Believe it or not!

This site sucks a little more every time you post. You just advocated #1: women screening men and #2 celibacy as some sort of virtue. It's like you're on a web site for the Republican Party telling people to vote for Hillary. Your values obviously run contrary to this web site, which means you have no place here. Please just go away.
 

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Bonhomme said:
Regarding Iron Rule of Tomassi #3:

Just because Tomassi says it don't necessarily make it always true.

People have lots of reasons for doing (or not doing) what they do.

Use your own judgment, people!

Where's Last Man Standing when we need him?
Amen to that.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
This site sucks a little more every time you post. You just advocated #1: women screening men and #2 celibacy as some sort of virtue. It's like you're on a web site for the Republican Party telling people to vote for Hillary. Your values obviously run contrary to this web site, which means you have no place here. Please just go away.
#1. Well, I'd certainly advise any woman to screen men. What does it say about a man's perception of his own worth if he doesn't want a woman to do so?

#2. That is simply an incorrect inference.

We need more contributors like Iqqi who post points of view that are really their own to prevent inbreeding of the intellectual gene pool, so to speak ... at least what remains of it.
 

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Iqqi posts useless mainstream BS that any and every other female and most AFCs believe. While some, very few women, may make ALL men wait for sex without having a particular agenda. The majority of women do not make all guys wait. They only make you wait because they're either not that into you or it is a power play. The rule still stands as a general rule to follow.
 

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Do you ever refrain from doing something you feel like doing because you might not like the consequences that may follow if you do it?

Re-frame the matter along those lines ... and consider that women have much less a tendency to want sex outside of a committed relationship. After all, how many more gay men post ads seeking men for no-strings sex than straight women do?

After enough times having the commitment bit not pan out (or seeing it happen to others), I could understand why a woman who has brain one and isn't looking for a "no strings" situation might want to confirm that one first.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Mr.Positive said:
Tell me, what other reason would a woman withhold sex?
iqqi said:
Some women would refrain from having sex too soon because it can confuse emotions. Some women value getting to know someone well before they share their bodies, or that kind of intimacy.

A wise move, anyways, IMO. Considering all the repercussions of sleeping with someone you really don't know very well. Such as herpes. (Just one example for the less creative).
Bible_Belt said:
Not if you want me to call again. Guys who are in demand and do well with women always have a girl who will put out showing interest. Why should I not get laid with you when other girls will give it up in exchange for my attention? Guys who will keep calling after not getting laid are pathetic losers. If you want a stable of AFCs, then you keep not putting out. I'm off with a girl who does.
iqqi said:
Well, exactly my point. Many women would weed you out by not sleeping with you.

Not all "in demand" men sleep around, either. Believe it or not!
I don’t at all think that women who hold back on sex are necessarily playing a power play. Most women are selective in who they have sex with and the more value or whatever a woman has the pickier she can afford to be. Holding back for sex until she feels comfortable that a guy isn’t just conning her is a very reasonable path to take.

Generally speaking, for both men and women, anyone who gives it up rather easily tends to not have a very high genetic value, thus get it where they can. Those with a high genetic value tend to save it for those who are worthy.

I suspect that Bible Belt tends to get substandard women.

The better women tend to have more substance to them than just sex.
 

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potato said:
Generally speaking, for both men and women, anyone who gives it up rather easily tends to not have a very high genetic value, thus get it where they can. Those with a high genetic value tend to save it for those who are worthy.

I suspect that Bible Belt tends to get substandard women.

The better women tend to have more substance to them than just sex.
If genetic value means intelligence, I agree.

Because besides that, many here on this forum seem to think genetic value = good looks. And I see way too many beautiful women sleeping around because of their own insecurities, and not real attraction for the man. And way too many beautiful men sleeping with whatever has a hole and doesn't say no.

I tend to disagree with most "genetic" arguments, though.
 

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Actually, I've found in my past hit rate counter that the easiest ones to get into bed were on the extremes..Either they were a 6, or a 9. The 6 sleeps with you in a, "I'm so insecure I'm going to throw sex at him to keep him around". The 9's aren't so worried that Pu$$y is their only redeeming quality so they sleep with you to enjoy their sexuality. It's been the mid crowd that I usually get the withhold card thrown in my face. It's ashame really, usually otherwise I go for the 7+, 8- crowd. They seem to be less maintenance, and more enjoyable.
Good Recap Macavoy, as in life rules are guides. Rollo has some good ones, and for the better part I agree with them. As Pook has written, you must adapt to all situations. If you try working a woman with a confined book of rules, you haven't truly adapted as a DJ. Being fluid and dynamic with an upbringing of DJ'ism is where I'm striving to be.
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iqqi said:
If genetic value means intelligence, I agree.

Because besides that, many here on this forum seem to think genetic value = good looks. And I see way too many beautiful women sleeping around because of their own insecurities, and not real attraction for the man. And way too many beautiful men sleeping with whatever has a hole and doesn't say no.

I tend to disagree with most "genetic" arguments, though.
By genetic value I mean all those characteristics that are built into each individual, their looks, their basic personality type, their intelligence, their talents, such as musicianship, athleticism, and creativity, and susceptibility to disease both physical and mental.

Maybe it is just me but I’m of the opinion that people that tend to sleep with many different people tend to be defective, with social problems, insecurities, strange logic, psychopathic… Every woman who I’ve ever met who would sleep around with just about anyone was a total nut job.

When I read some the posts around here I always wonder. I never hook up with women that are like the women that many here claim all women are like. Likewise I’m sure I don’t act as most the guys that post here either. The more I look into it the more I think that the PUA stuff tends to attract dysfunctional men who end up picking up dysfunctional women, because sane rational women see through their crap, or as you, Iqqi, said earlier, weed them out.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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