Interesting responses from attractive women who claim why they hook up with ugly men.

[STR8UP]

Jeffst nailed it- status trumps all, alphaness runs a close second, and looks are the runner up.

I will say though that a friend of mine awhile back was 21 years old and probably what most women would consider to be a "10". Maybe a nine if she wasn't into blonde hair. He was even auditioning with Perleman to be in a boy band. And let me tell you.....this dude had women literally crawling on him when we went out.

He was a marriage-as-a-goal beta, which was his ultimate demise, but for pulling club chicks I've never seen one guy get more attention.

Between women who self-proclaim they're hot behind the anonymity of the internet, and those who are in real life lies a world of difference.

also-

1) They are saying that their dudes are "ugly". I wonder if other women feel the same way? And 99.9% of people (men OR women) will not become involved with someone who repulses them.

2) Some of the women responding admit to having had self esteem issues. How many more aren't admitting it?

3) A couple f them mentioned enjoying the control they have over the relationship. Not the kind of woman I would want.

Isn't this looks debate dead already? People TEND to date within their category, but women are more likely to be involved in a relationship with a slightly less attractive man due to mitigating factors, men are more likely to have a sexual relationship with a woman BELOW his category, usually on the DL.

That said, today I did meet a mismatched couple. The dude was about 5'3", 210 lbs. He was ROUND. The chick was a svelte 5'4", 115ish. I honestly thought the dude might have been a chick at first, since his chubby features gave him a feminine look. I would say he was a 3-4 on most women's scale, and SHE was probably a 6.5 bad day, 7.5 all dolled up.

Thing is, I noticed it because it was HIGHLY UNUSUAL. You generally don't see more than a couple of point difference.

edger, I'm sure you're a cool dude but some of your ideas about women and money are wack. My theory- you need to tighten your game, playa.

This is actually a good point. A woman could pick a man who has other qualities she finds attractive but who isn't the handsomest man in the world so that she won't have to constantly worry about him fvcking other women.

I don't really buy that women would consciously make this choice. If anything, women are much more attracted to men they HAVE to compete over. I have a feeling that both of the two best friends I recently fukked were MUCH more inclined to have sex with me because they each knew that the other wanted to fukk me. The first one wouldn't fully give it up the first couple of times I hung out with her, but last weekend when I ran into her AFTER she found out I was banging her friend it was GAME ON. Her goal that night was to fukk me, and make sure her friend found out about it.

I would venture to guess that it's usually more of the beta provider type of guy who attracts her with his good dad traits. And I would say that the steady provider type (not a mega status bajillionaire) that is also several points lower on the looks scale is probably twice or three times as likely as likely to get cheated on.

Beauty truly is in the eyes of the beholder.

I see that someone hasn't been getting her daily dose of roissy.....

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Askmen might be edited by women(if you say so), but the responses to the article way down at the bottom have nothing to do with the editing. Those responses are from hot women who have nothing to do with Askmen. Those responses speak for themselves.

Hot women?

Dude, we live in an age where women are trying to convince themselves and us that big is beautiful and a size14 is healthy.Those responses mean absolutely sweet fvck all. Most are probably very average or ugly women who call themselves hot.

Never listen what women say, watch what they do.

Women branch swing. Which means that we know they are going to date their definition of lower quality men until the bigger better deal comes along. They date these men but they are NEVER off the market. Sometimes they will even marry, but they are NEVER off the market. The only time they are off the market is when she manages to be snapped up by a man who she considers to be out of her league.

 

[edger]

My theory- you need to tighten your game, playa.

I'm not going to go over this again, theorize what you wish dude. Anyhow, one thing I'd like to say about "Game": This whole "game" thing is so overrated by the way. I was speaking to a friend of mine in the club circuit who's very hip to the seduction community...he's gone through Neil Strauss's entire book, 'The Game'. I think I even told him about this site. Anyhow, I was speaking to him last month, and he's telling me how he's been taking so many women home from clubs, and how easy it's been. Then he tells me, "Edger, this whole having game thing is bullsh*t". So what he means to say is that he's still scoring women easily without having to run "game" on them. No bullsh*t, those were his exact words. This guy is a good-looking guy by the way. Total rocker. Has that Nikki Sixx, Motley Crue look going. A BIG reason why this guy pulls so often is because he cold-approaches like crazy while in a club. One chick after another, literally. I see him in action all the time. If he gets rejected, boom, that fast, he's onto another chick. But there's a catch to all of it; he can only do it with ALCOHOL in him, otherwise he'd be at the club with his back against a wall. In my opinion, if you need alcohol to cold-approach women, then technically you're cheating. I've never once needed alcohol to do a cold-approach. He even admitted to me that he doesn't do it when sober.

 

[STR8UP]

The only reason a good looking dude shouldn't be pulling good looking pu$$y (with at least average effort) is if he is lacking other fundamentals. I would bet if I were to meet you I could pick it out within 5 minutes. And I actually wouldn't be opposed to that.....you seem like a cool enough dude. I just think there's something you are missing.

And BTW.....even when a guy isn't running "game" he is running GAME (if he is successfully picking up women). "Game" is nothing more than an imitation of whatever works to pick up women.

And there is NO SUCH THING as "cheating" in the world of pickup any more than there is in hand to hand combat with an enemy who is trying to tear your limbs from your torso. Get that out of your head.

 

[edger]

I would bet if I were to meet you I could pick it out within 5 minutes. And I actually wouldn't be opposed to that.....you seem like a cool enough dude.

Yeah, let me know the next time you're in town. I hope you actually can find something within the first 5 minutes, lol. I've been waiting for some kind of an explanation for a while, but I doubt you'd be able to find anything credible...but go ahead and try to find something if you wish..I'm game. I'm always open to critique. I've met quite a few guys from this site, I hang with a few of them.

 

[Nutz]

Hot women?

Dude, we live in an age where women are trying to convince themselves and us that big is beautiful and a size14 is healthy.Those responses mean absolutely sweet fvck all. Most are probably very average or ugly women who call themselves hot.

Never listen what women say, watch what they do.

Women branch swing. Which means that we know they are going to date their definition of lower quality men until the bigger better deal comes along. They date these men but they are NEVER off the market. Sometimes they will even marry, but they are NEVER off the market. The only time they are off the market is when she manages to be snapped up by a man who she considers to be out of her league.

Holy crap is that true!

 

[Duffdog]

Holy crap is that true!

Well, men who actually hook up are exactly the same way. Sure, I would go out with a 6 for a minute, but only until the 9 I have been waiting for comes along. I think "trading up" is basic human nature and the people who have the means to do it, will do it. Everyone else must settle.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Yeah, but the point is, regardless of having been with 2 other good looking guys, she still chose a below avg.-looking one this time around. If this woman was "about the looks", she'd have been consistent in dating only good-looking guys, and that's obviously not the case with this current boyfriend.

Ah, but how many women get involved with a guy who was good looking and let himself go? Chris Pratt was a fairly decent looking guy only a few years ago. What's to say he didn't hook up with Faris and then went to sh!t?

All of which brings up a good point, how many of the women making the case that they're HB 8-9s (dubious I know) and currently involved with ugly men initially found the guy attractive and became so emotionally / financially involved that they made concessions for him when he put on an extra 50 pounds after a year or so? How many wanted to avoid seeming shallow for leaving the guy for letting himself go?

 

[edger]

Ah, but how many women get involved with a guy who was good looking and let himself go? Chris Pratt was a fairly decent looking guy only a few years ago. What's to say he didn't hook up with Faris and then went to sh!t?

All of which brings up a good point, how many of the women making the case that they're HB 8-9s (dubious I know) and currently involved with ugly men initially found the guy attractive and became so emotionally / financially involved that they made concessions for him when he put on an extra 50 pounds after a year or so? How many wanted to avoid seeming shallow for leaving the guy for letting himself go?

I agree, I've considered that too, I would bet there are quite a few cases like that out there as well...it would have to be a combination of both(him being good-looking initially, then letting himself go and him being ugly when they first met), although I would say that in most cases, the guy was already below avg.-looking at the start.

What about the ugly guys who never let themselves go and get fat, who are with hot women? There are lots of cases like that as far as I've been able to see. I see lots of guys who don't have one ounce of fat on their body, who are just naturally ugly, who are with very attractive women.

 

[edger]

Str8up, I also wanted to say that if we ever met, don't expect my game to be perfect. I've always said that nobody's game is 100% on target when they interact with women, we all f*ck up in every given interaction with a chick. Nobody plays a perfect game, it's impossible. I've always been the first one to admit that I f*ck up. The best players f*ck up. So if we ever do meet, keep that in mind, that my game isn't perfect. So, maybe you'll come across something about me that you might consider me a little weak in(not that you would, I'm just saying), whatever that may be. BUT do realize one thing, in any given interaction I have with a chick, the greater majority of my game, at least 90% of it and above, is always right on target, and that's more than enough to pull hot women regularly. Like I said, I see guys out there who f*ck up more than me and have relatively poor game, who still pull hotties. So, that should say something, don't you think? That's why I say this game thing is so overrated.

 

[mrRuckus]

Yeah, but the point is, regardless of having been with 2 other good looking guys, she still chose a below avg.-looking one this time around.

That guy isn't below average from the link i saw.

Do you have some weird standard of what is average? I see guys like that all over the place.



I think ben indra looks like a douche. He's feminine looking.


In the end i don't really see the guys as being that different. One is more rugged than another and could be viewed as giving up the soft features for equally appealing masculine ones.

She looks a bit ratty anyway

 

[Nutz]

Well, men who actually hook up are exactly the same way. Sure, I would go out with a 6 for a minute, but only until the 9 I have been waiting for comes along. I think "trading up" is basic human nature and the people who have the means to do it, will do it. Everyone else must settle.

I'd agree it's true for some men, namely those with lots of options and choice in the matter. Most men, however, do not have that kind of abundance in their lives. Women on the other hand naturally have more men to choose from, ESPECIALLY the very attractive women out there, and I think that's why they're far more prone to display this phenomenon.

 

[goodfoot]

Str8up, I also wanted to say that if we ever met, don't expect my game to be perfect. I've always said that nobody's game is 100% on target when they interact with women, we all f*ck up in every given interaction with a chick. Nobody plays a perfect game, it's impossible. I've always been the first one to admit that I f*ck up. The best players f*ck up. So if we ever do meet, keep that in mind, that my game isn't perfect. So, maybe you'll come across something about me that you might consider me a little weak in(not that you would, I'm just saying), whatever that may be. BUT do realize one thing, in any given interaction I have with a chick, the greater majority of my game, at least 90% of it and above, is always right on target, and that's more than enough to pull hot women regularly. Like I said, I see guys out there who f*ck up more than me and have relatively poor game, who still pull hotties. So, that should say something, don't you think? That's why I say this game thing is so overrated.

Edgar, you said in your "Flaked on by Escorts" thread that you harldy cold-approach. I don't see how you expect to pull chicks in a club by not cold-approaching. There are guys out there who are pulling more girls with less game because they are actually approaching. If you pull 90% of the girls you approach, obviously you should approach more.

 

[edger]

Edgar, you said in your "Flaked on by Escorts" thread that you harldy cold-approach. I don't see how you expect to pull chicks in a club by not cold-approaching. There are guys out there who are pulling more girls with less game because they are actually approaching. If you pull 90% of the girls you approach, obviously you should approach more.

I couldn't agree with you more, I need to cold-approach way more. Always easier said than done though. It just takes a lot of f*ckin' balls, which I'm not gonna lie, I lack in this department. Cold-approaching a total stranger who's a female who hasn't thrown any vibes your way that she's interested, is a really ballsy task. Don't get me wrong, I'll do it very sparingly. Sometimes I have the balls, but most of the time I don't. The big part of it is from not wanting to be seen by others getting rejected, males or females. I feel like an idiot. If it were me and her alone with no one around us, it would probably be a different story for me.

See, growing up, I was always used to having good-looking girls flock to me. Having gotten use to that and never having to cold-approach, I believe might have f*cked things up for me, where I never was able to get used to cold-approaching. Who knows what it is. All I know is, the greater majority of the time I lack the balls and feel funny cold-approaching around other people. The feeling funny part around others, like I said, stems from the potential of possibly being rejected in front of all these people.

 

[slaog]

I think we sometimes make the mistake of thinking that women think like men. Men like good looking women but looks are not as important to women. Thats why they reject AFC's and feel great around DJ's.


All the ugly guys with hot women I see have something in common. They're confident and they're not concerned about thier looks.


Make women feel good and they'll keep coming back for more.

 

[Warrior74]

I think we sometimes make the mistake of thinking that women think like men. Men like good looking women but looks are not as important to women. Thats why they reject AFC's and feel great around DJ's.


All the ugly guys with hot women I see have something in common. They're confident and they're not concerned about thier looks.


Make women feel good and they'll keep coming back for more.

This is true. I'm overweight but I walk around like I'm the top dog. Like read somewhere, you should act like you own the place. I've had women tell me that I look like a boss.

One of my former FBs said this about it, "Why are the ugly guys always so damn confident? And the cute guys act like girls". She's 25 and hot. That's how women think.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

So she called you ugly?

 

[Jitterbug]

edger, why don't you just admit to yourself that you lack balls and decent game, instead of blaming it all on some random reason why good-looking girls are going out with so-called "ugly" guys and not hooking up with you?

Besides, regarding that article, I've never seen a woman (especially on Internet dating/relationship blogs) say that she's not hot, or not "my friends say I'm attractive" even if she's 5'4" and size 14 big-bum, I mean, big-boned.

 

[Jeffst1980]

Ah, but how many women get involved with a guy who was good looking and let himself go? Chris Pratt was a fairly decent looking guy only a few years ago. What's to say he didn't hook up with Faris and then went to sh!t?

All of which brings up a good point, how many of the women making the case that they're HB 8-9s (dubious I know) and currently involved with ugly men initially found the guy attractive and became so emotionally / financially involved that they made concessions for him when he put on an extra 50 pounds after a year or so? How many wanted to avoid seeming shallow for leaving the guy for letting himself go?

If they wanted to avoid seeming shallow, wouldn't they be fine with dating an ugly guy in the first place?

Besides, given the numerous breakup rationalizations at their disposal, it is unlikely any woman feels compelled to stay with a man just to "avoid seeming shallow."

Anna Faris is also a celebrity, and therefore has her pick of successful, handsome men. If looks were so important to her, she would have no reason to "settle." BTW, thanks to internet sleuthing, it looks as though they started dating in 2007.

Now, if this guy can land a celebrity gal that is more famous than him, I'm fairly certain that an average looking yet successful and charming guy should have no problem attracting non-celebrity HBs. In fact, I'll go one step further and say that a fun, confident guy that isn't afraid to approach has all that's needed to snag an HB in some circumstances. There are a lot of HB's out there, and most guys are AFC's.

Mehow is an excellent example of this--and yes, I'm aware that the PUA gurus tend to inflate their results. Still, it is clear that he is pulling girls that would be considered "out of his league," and that's even without recognizable status or even a typically masculine presence.

Make no mistake, I still think looks matter to some extent, and letting yourself go in a relationship is really just an unfair thing to do to someone you care about. I just don't think it's the top priority of most women.

 

[edger]

edger, why don't you just admit to yourself that you lack balls and decent game, instead of blaming it all on some random reason why good-looking girls are going out with so-called "ugly" guys and not hooking up with you?

One of the biggest problems on the forum here is that some people don't read before they speak. Look up top, you'll see that I admitted to lacking balls most of the time with cold-approaches.

Hahaha, if I lack decent game, then what explains guys who f*ck up waaaaay more than me in their game, who pull hot women? Shoot. 2nd, do you even know me personally? Have you ever seen me in action? No. So how can you claim I lack decent game. This is too funny.

Something you might wanna consider: Good game is not a cure for the common cold.