Interesting responses from attractive women who claim why they hook up with ugly men.

[Jitterbug]

One of the biggest problems on the forum here is that some people don't read before they speak. Look up top, you'll see that I admitted to lacking balls most of the time with cold-approaches.

You did say that, but I meant that you need to admit to yourself that it is your game you need to work on, not pointing fingers at something else.

Hahaha, if I lack decent game, then what explains guys who f*ck up waaaaay more than me in their game, who pull hot women? Shoot. 2nd, do you even know me personally? Have you ever seen me in action? No. So how can you claim I lack decent game. This is too funny.

I know you enough from the previous threads you post. You have terrible game. You play it too cool and never make the move. You stand and wait, and wave the girl over. You said it up there that you don't approach. The fumbling clueless-about-game guys may not have read the DJ Bible and read this forum, but they have BALLZ to approach and go for the girls. Their cluelessness might even appear charming to those chicks. They are fvcking up and making plenty of mistakes along the way, but they're moving forward. They're not standing there with a drink while waving the girl over.

BALLZ - or confidence - is the foundation of Game. Since you just said that you don't have ballz to approach, please pay people here some respect for their intelligence and stop telling us that you have good game. You don't. Admitting it is a good start to get it fixed.

 

[edger]

I know you enough from the previous threads you post. You have terrible game. You play it too cool and never make the move. You stand and wait, and wave the girl over. You said it up there that you don't approach. The fumbling clueless-about-game guys may not have read the DJ Bible and read this forum, but they have BALLZ to approach and go for the girls. Their cluelessness might even appear charming to those chicks. They are fvcking up and making plenty of mistakes along the way, but they're moving forward. They're not standing there with a drink while waving the girl over.

You're right.

BALLZ - or confidence - is the foundation of Game. Since you just said that you don't have ballz to approach, please pay people here some respect for their intelligence and stop telling us that you have good game. You don't. Admitting it is a good start to get it fixed.

I said MOST of the time I don't have the balls to cold-approach, not all the time. If you don't believe that, ask any of the guys I wing with here, I'll give you their handles. Let me tell ya something, ready for a newsflash?....the greater majority of these guys pulling tail in the club scene, wouldn't be able to, had they not relied on alcohol to do so. That speaks volumes. You wouldn't happen to be one of those guys, would you? I wonder who's really got more balls, me, who can do it while sober OR the guys who can only do it while under the influence of alcohol?

When you're standing directly in sight of a woman who's not vibing you whatsoever, acting like you don't even exist, it's very hard to muster up the guts to approach her. Most guys can't do it. It's the way we are by nature. When somebody is acting favorably towards us, what do we do? We talk to them. But when somebody acts like they aren't phased one bit by us and couldn't give 2 f*cks about us, do we try to befriend them? No. Basic human nature dude. We respond to those who respond to us. Just trying to make a point of how human beings interact with one another and how it relates to pick-up.

 

[Tony T]

Lets Face it...Women are not the Smartest of the Two Speicies. My Father often said that if they didn't have a "Putang"...we'd be hunting them like they were deer.

REASON for being seen with Ugly Dude;

1. Most good looking chicks will befriend an Ugly dude as Use Me Boy. I've seen Females USE and ABUSE some poor Sap as an erran boy, mr.fix it dude, help me with my Tax Returs, etc. You name it...they are brutal creatures. As a reward for eating her Crap, She will allow some homely guy to buy her diner or be escorted by our Dufuss to a show (which he pays for).

2.Chicks can't get the guy they want. So...they pull a number from their phone book and get some Poor Sap to Take them out...buy them diner, etc. Good for their egos. Helps them build Self-esteem. Agains, As a reward, HB will allow Average Joe to buy her diner or be escorted by our Dufuss to a show (which he pays for).

3.Chicks can't control Players and Good Looking guys. Ultimately, women want to control their men. Lets face it, in the sexual arena, its a hell of a lot easier to control a Jason Alexander (type) then a Brad Pitt (type).

So there you have it...that's it dudes.

BTW,
that chick that was mentioned in the ASK MEN site....She's rated a 7 at best. Not much to Write home about in the Looks department at all. And Her Man...is also about a 7. So...they are equally matched.

 

[edger]

Lets Face it...Women are not the Smartest of the Two Speicies. My Father often said that if they didn't have a "Putang"...we'd be hunting them like they were deer.

REASON for being seen with Ugly Dude;

1. Most good looking chicks will befriend an Ugly dude as Use Me Boy. I've seen Females USE and ABUSE some poor Sap as an erran boy, mr.fix it dude, help me with my Tax Returs, etc. You name it...they are brutal creatures. As a reward for eating her Crap, She will allow some homely guy to buy her diner or be escorted by our Dufuss to a show (which he pays for).

2.Chicks can't get the guy they want. So...they pull a number from their phone book and get some Poor Sap to Take them out...buy them diner, etc. Good for their egos. Helps them build Self-esteem. Agains, As a reward, HB will allow Average Joe to buy her diner or be escorted by our Dufuss to a show (which he pays for).

3.Chicks can't control Players and Good Looking guys. Ultimately, women want to control their men. Lets face it, in the sexual arena, its a hell of a lot easier to control a Jason Alexander (type) then a Brad Pitt (type).

So there you have it...that's it dudes.

BTW,
that chick that was mentioned in the ASK MEN site....She's rated a 7 at best. Not much to Write home about in the Looks department at all. And Her Man...is also about a 7. So...they are equally matched.

Ok, you're saying hot women go for ugly guys because they can control them. Now if that's the case, then where was my turn to get the hottie when I acted like an AFC? I never really pulled hotties when I was an AFC, but yet these guys who are, who are also UGLY on top of it, are getting these hb's with no problem. I don't get it.

 

[jophil28]

Ok, you're saying hot women go for ugly guys because they can control them. Now if that's the case, then where was my turn to get the hottie when I acted like an AFC? I never really pulled hotties when I was an AFC, but yet these guys who are, who are also UGLY on top of it, are getting these hb's with no problem. I don't get it.

There is more to it than "control".
Those guys MUST be demonstrating or providing some quality or commodity that is valuable to those HBs to the extent that his 'looks' ,or lack of them, are largely disregarded.
HE may be wealthy, funny, cute, loyal, 'edgy', attentive...or be skilled in in a few other ways that she VALUES.
Hot women are not hooked on "control" per se. However they are hooked on self gratification. They know how to get their needs met easily.

The guys that they are with are providing SOMETHING which she values highly and which she can regulate by providing him with his needs..( a BJ every third Saturday night would do the trick ).
However, her control comes from his willingness to be her emotional slave so that he can glow in her presence in return.

A second explanation...Women still find it unnerving to go out alone. They feel vulnerable for many reasons. Their options are to hang out with their girlfriends, or date an orbiter who will escort her around town(and pay eagerly). IFv you were a HB 9-10 which deal would you prefer?
This kind of woman is usually also open to her subtly scouting for the BBD, and should she find one, the orbiter is LJBF.

Hot women with ugly men? A temporary situation usually.

 

[SXS]

Lets Face it...Women are not the Smartest of the Two Speicies. My Father often said that if they didn't have a "Putang"...we'd be hunting them like they were deer.

REASON for being seen with Ugly Dude;

1. Most good looking chicks will befriend an Ugly dude as Use Me Boy. I've seen Females USE and ABUSE some poor Sap as an erran boy, mr.fix it dude, help me with my Tax Returs, etc. You name it...they are brutal creatures. As a reward for eating her Crap, She will allow some homely guy to buy her diner or be escorted by our Dufuss to a show (which he pays for).

2.Chicks can't get the guy they want. So...they pull a number from their phone book and get some Poor Sap to Take them out...buy them diner, etc. Good for their egos. Helps them build Self-esteem. Agains, As a reward, HB will allow Average Joe to buy her diner or be escorted by our Dufuss to a show (which he pays for).

3.Chicks can't control Players and Good Looking guys. Ultimately, women want to control their men. Lets face it, in the sexual arena, its a hell of a lot easier to control a Jason Alexander (type) then a Brad Pitt (type).

So there you have it...that's it dudes.

BTW,
that chick that was mentioned in the ASK MEN site....She's rated a 7 at best. Not much to Write home about in the Looks department at all. And Her Man...is also about a 7. So...they are equally matched.

Hmmm... You say women are not the smartest of the two species, but the 3 points you made seem to show that they are smart... The poor sabs you claim they abuse, not so much...

 

[Tony T]

Self gratification....aren't we all???

Oh believe you Me...she's in control of the SAP...

If she's in control of anyone...she's in control of Him...

As you said, Must be something else of value being laid down...which is not apparent to the naked eye.

There is more to it than "control".
Those guys MUST be demonstrating or providing some quality or commodity that is valuable to those HBs to the extent that his 'looks' ,or lack of them, are largely disregarded.
HE may be wealthy, funny, cute, loyal, 'edgy', attentive...or be skilled in in a few other ways that she VALUES.
Hot women are not hooked on "control" per se. However they are hooked on self gratification. They know how to get their needs met easily.

The guys that they are with are providing SOMETHING which she values highly and which she can regulate by providing him with his needs..( a BJ every third Saturday night would do the trick ).
However, her control comes from his willingness to be her emotional slave so that he can glow in her presence in return.

A second explanation...Women still find it unnerving to go out alone. They feel vulnerable for many reasons. Their options are to hang out with their girlfriends, or date an orbiter who will escort her around town(and pay eagerly). IFv you were a HB 9-10 which deal would you prefer?
This kind of woman is usually also open to her subtly scouting for the BBD, and should she find one, the orbiter is LJBF.

Hot women with ugly men? A temporary situation usually.

 

[Tony T]

I'm saying they are not so smart...because while they are pine-ing for some dude who is not available...they could have had 10 other Studs.

If there are 10 guys in a room...9 good catches and 1 looser...which will the HB pick?

ANSWER: The Looser...!!

Hmmm... You say women are not the smartest of the two species, but the 3 points you made seem to show that they are smart... The poor sabs you claim they abuse, not so much...

 

[Duffdog]

I'm saying they are not so smart...because while they are pine-ing for some dude who is not available...they could have had 10 other Studs.

If there are 10 guys in a room...9 good catches and 1 looser...which will the HB pick?

ANSWER: The Looser...!!

How are you defining loser? Loser as in physically attractive but poor or loser as in non-physically attractive and also poor... It matters a great deal. The girl will pick the richest AFC to pay for stuff and the tallest hottest male to have sex with.

 

[Colossus]

If you see an objectively attractive girl with an average or dorky-looking dude, it's likely because there is something ELSE she finds attractive about him.

Maybe it's his intellect
Maybe it's his sense of humor
Maybe it's his status
Maybe it's his money
Maybe he doesnt treat her like a whacked-out PUA with hyper-specific social skills
Maybe he has a huge wang
Maybe they really get along well
Maybe it's multi-factorial, like most relationships.

The mistake everyone is making is trying to distill this 'phenomenon' down to one neatly packaged system. The Last Word.

Physical presence and masculinity are powerful factors indeed and cannot be denied...but other factors carry of lot of weight too.

The reason why you see hot women with sometimes fugly dudes is that they arent stimulated the same way we are. Has a girl's intellect ever gave you a raging hard-on and made you want to fvck her brains out?? Probably not. But I can give you a laundry list of women who have been turned on to the point of raucous lovemaking or even cheating on a bf because of this. And maybe the guy had a beak-nose and looked like a doof, but he fvcked a smokin HB because he hit the right buttons.

Yes, the big handsome meatheads can tag a lot of HBs as well. Look at things situationally and you will get your answer.

 

[jophil28]

If you see an objectively attractive girl with an average or dorky-looking dude, it's likely because there is something ELSE she finds attractive about him.

Maybe it's his intellect
Maybe it's his sense of humor
Maybe it's his status
Maybe it's his money
Maybe he doesnt treat her like a whacked-out PUA with hyper-specific social skills
Maybe he has a huge wang
Maybe they really get along well
Maybe it's multi-factorial, like most relationships.

The mistake everyone is making is trying to distill this 'phenomenon' down to one neatly packaged system. The Last Word.
.

Correct. It is MULTI FACTORIAL, like most relationships. And the cluster of factors which attract one woman to a guy do not necessarily attract another to the same guy . IF all woman were only in relationships for "good genes" or "good provisions", then all women would be competing for a few select men.

 

[Luthor Rex]

If you see an objectively attractive girl with an average or dorky-looking dude, it's likely because there is something ELSE she finds attractive about him.

Maybe he has a huge wang

Exactly. I know this has helped me get girls way above my attractiveness level.

 

[edger]

Exactly. I know this has helped me get girls way above my attractiveness level.

Wait a second...if these women had sex with you, they had to have been attracted to you BEFORE they knew how well hung you were. There's no way a woman can see a guys d*ck before she has sex with him(unless the guy had tight pants showing his bulge), unless a girl "friend", ex-girlfriend, or f*ck-buddy of yours told them you had a big d*ck, which sparked their interest in you.

 

[slaog]

What about women would wants to have chrildren with you VS women would don't want any kids? Would they be more interested in the good genes? Anybody have experiances/knowledge of these types?

 

[Mr. Me]

>> See, growing up, I was always used to having good-looking girls flock to me... >>

This "back-in-the-day-it-was-different-for-me" sentiment is something you have to let go of to move forward, friend.

Not that I'm saying you have to become a machine and cold approach everyone. I find doing an over the shoulder type comment (a funny observation about something) in passing sort of thing works well. You're just making a comment, so it takes the edge off of the whole "you're making an approach" thing.

Why do hot women go out with plain looking men? The number of really good looking guys - out of the minority of the straight ones - is less then enough to go around for every hot gal. And if a women has to forgo being with the best looking guy, it's going to have to be something about his personality that makes her want to be with him. Looks just provide a window of opportunity anyway.

And, barring money, power or fame, that means it's either that she wants someone who's [A] somewhat supplicant, because she wants to be treated to things and spoiled, or she wants someone with a submissive character because she wants to be in control of the relationship, or [C] she's not really into him at all but not finding anyone she really desires to be with right now so he'll do, taking her out so she's not bored, or [D] the guy is neither supplicant nor submissive but he's got charisma and makes her laugh and makes her feel really good when she's around him.

No big mystery.

 

[worship]

LOL I loved this comment:

Badbadgirl says:

The guy I'm seeing is an ugly man. He's so ugly that the first time I was going to meet him I'm almost drove out of the parking lot past him. He didn't have a picture of me and I could have pulled it off. But I couldn't do that to him. So, you might want to know why I see him. It's because he treats me like a queen. I've never been treated as well by anyone. I was in a twenty year marriage to an abusive man. No more of that for me.

o rly now?

 

[Paradox]

Guys,

I really don't know what to do about these "Looks vs. Game threads". Every 6 weeks somebody starts one of these threads.

I can't even explain to you how crazy the debate looks to me from my point of view.

We did have an official "Looks vs. Game thread" in the archive but the arguing and fighting caused the thread to be closed.

We could probably debate this until "the cows come home"....

I'm moving this to the anything else forum.

 

[alexl]

I think it comes down to one of three things

I've had known girls get who get all depressed when they are single, most girls hate being single and I think one of the reasons is like already mentioned that they are getting with these ugly guys is just to use them as a stepping stone; someone to be will while they find someone better.

Also I don't know if anyone has already said this but i've noticed a trend happening quite alot recently for some reason hotter girls seem to date alot of good looking and alpha guys when they are younger and then they end up settling down with an ugly guy. It happens all the time and it's not even when they've grown past their beauty cause i;ve always seen this happen anywhere between the age of like 19 - 32 and the trend is quite young the i'm guessing the reason behind this is the better looking guys treated them badly, cheated on them or just kept dumping them so they eventually get fed up with it or lose condence through their experiences.

either one of those 2 reason or just plain the ugly guy is infact an alpha.

 

[edger]

I think we sometimes make the mistake of thinking that women think like men. Men like good looking women but looks are not as important to women. Thats why they reject AFC's and feel great around DJ's.


All the ugly guys with hot women I see have something in common. They're confident and they're not concerned about thier looks.


Make women feel good and they'll keep coming back for more.

Great post, and it's absolutely true, men make the mistake(like many of the guys here) of thinking that women think like men. I've always said that. That's one of the most dangerous, dangerous mistakes a guy could make. Guys need to realize that women are on a completely different frequency, attraction works completely different for them. It's hard to believe that because we've been conditioned and brainwashed our whole lives by popular culture(the matrix) to believe that "women are all about a guys looks". Absolute bullf*ckin'sh*t they are.

I spoke to my 27 yr old sister today. You guys would defintely think she's hot(I guess the good-looks runs in the family). Even she admitted that lots of hot women are paired-up with ugly guys. It's funny though, when I asked her why she thinks that is, all she said was, "I don't know".

 

[edger]

If they wanted to avoid seeming shallow, wouldn't they be fine with dating an ugly guy in the first place?

Besides, given the numerous breakup rationalizations at their disposal, it is unlikely any woman feels compelled to stay with a man just to "avoid seeming shallow."

Anna Faris is also a celebrity, and therefore has her pick of successful, handsome men. If looks were so important to her, she would have no reason to "settle." BTW, thanks to internet sleuthing, it looks as though they started dating in 2007.

Now, if this guy can land a celebrity gal that is more famous than him, I'm fairly certain that an average looking yet successful and charming guy should have no problem attracting non-celebrity HBs. In fact, I'll go one step further and say that a fun, confident guy that isn't afraid to approach has all that's needed to snag an HB in some circumstances. There are a lot of HB's out there, and most guys are AFC's.

Mehow is an excellent example of this--and yes, I'm aware that the PUA gurus tend to inflate their results. Still, it is clear that he is pulling girls that would be considered "out of his league," and that's even without recognizable status or even a typically masculine presence.

Make no mistake, I still think looks matter to some extent, and letting yourself go in a relationship is really just an unfair thing to do to someone you care about. I just don't think it's the top priority of most women.

Jeffst, good post too.