Incels deserve being sexless. The only person you have to blame is yourself. Unless you ruthlessly self improve for 10 years you can’t complain.

[sangheilios]

“Depth” is generally (at worst) not attractive to women or (at best) not of interest to them. You have to try to temporarily switch it off in their presence.

I only share deep thinking on here and with a trusted guy friend.

I’m going out to dinner with a female friend tomorrow. She’s probably going to talk about normie stuff like work, weather and house cleaning.

Woman go by feelings and emotions and are going to naturally gravitate towards the guy that excites them the most. Being deep, thoughtful, etc. is honestly going to be seen as boring by most women when in the early stages of courtship. In the early phases of courtship it's excitement, novelty, adventure, etc. that what a woman is seeking.

 

[corrector]

You clearly are missing the point of what I've been getting at.

We can look throughout history and see one dominant group subjugating another. In the U.S. this happened to a lot of people besides just blacks. Native Americans are a very good example of this but they were largely assimilated into the population with the exception of certain areas in the western U.S that were virtually unsettled by Americans until the latter part of the 19th century. Look up how the Irish and other European immigrants were treated in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. I could list this on and on but the thing is that all of this occurred generations ago when none of us on here existed, hell even our parents and grandparents weren't even alive.

What I'm getting at is that if you live in the west you are insanely privileged compared to the vast majority of people living in the world today. Is our society perfect, no, but you have opportunities that are simply not available to someone who is not in the west, exceptions are places like Japan or South Korea, etc. Chances are you are using a device that has cobalt or some other rare earth metal that was mined by some slave labor in some 3rd world country lol.

No one is keeping black Americans or any other ethnic group back in our world but yet the left/democrats attempt to play identity politics by convincing everyone that this is the case in order to create a victim mindset. When you are always a victim then you never take accountability for yourself or your own success or lack thereof. Going back to what I said earlier, the biggest problem specifically with black America is the fact that they have a substantially higher degree of children growing up in single mother households than that of the white America. It's pretty well understood why this is a huge detriment to the longer term success of a child, if you argue with me on this I really don't know what to tell you. If I have both my parents I'm more likely to grow up in a financially stable household compared to a single parent household. I shouldn't even need to elaborate on this. Children that have both parents around are more likely to have higher performance in school and are less likely to become criminals. If you want to fix black America this is a great start, the thing is the ruling elite (democrats) do not want that because then they wouldn't be a guaranteed voting block, over 90% of black people vote democrat btw.

To sum up what I'm saying, the world isn't fair and humans are capable of some not so great things but at the end of the day you need to take accountability for yourself instead of blaming someone else for your problems.

True, the Democrats have failed them. They have a policy of benign neglect and its going to backfire.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I'm also Christian like her. She identifies with that more than her race. Therefore, if I came from a black womb, how would you say that I'm red-pilled from birth and incel at the same time?

I'm confused lol? Is she African American black or black? There's a difference, African immigrants and their descendants aren't African Americans.

You defined incel as a white thing. If white incels who are not self-imposing barriers can get Asian gfs, but are choosing not to, then why would you define it as such today?[

I don't think it's as easy for a white male just to get a random Asian gf as it seems. The white men with asian females are usually well off tech bros living in San Francisco or major US cities. Your typical Asian swirling female isn't going to date down in class to be with a white man, maybe looks but not class. For a white male to be able to be in the position to do this outside HS, he has to have a decent job already. Then it goes back to what @SW15 said, white men are competing against a lot of other white men for stuck up white women and the 5 Asian girls that live nearby them unless they live in San Francisco or Seattle.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

lol what are you then?



The vast majority of people date within their race, social background, and income levels so that's understandable

In my N Cal area. It is very ethnically diverse. Lots of Asians & Latinas. Though I tend to date all races, here I often wind up with White women. Oddly, when I travel, It’s quite often I meet up with Black women. Partly because they are very aggressive and hit on me. Lucky for me I love Black women.

 

[corrector]

I'm confused lol? Is she African American black or black? There's a difference, African immigrants and their descendants aren't African Americans.

She is Carribean black. She comes from Trinidad. Are you saying only African Americans are born with a red-pill?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

If someone examines the occurrence of incel status within races/ethnicites, White men wouldn't dominate. There are many East and South Asian men who are incels. Incel status might occur at higher percentages within East and South Asian populations.

This is true, but they seem to largely embrace/be content being an incel/introvertism while white men have a more negative response to it

Incel status looks different by race/ethnicity. If a Hispanic/Black man is an incel, it's due to poverty, lower status, and not cultivating a good, tattooed dirtbag type persona. Hispanic/Black men who are broke can have a niche banging Walmart cashiers and similar other lower status women. When White, East Asian, and South Asian men are incels, it is often due to their personality and being a STEM worker.

True again, even if a black guy has a beta personality, he can still find some white guilt liberal woman or a mudshark to date. However, that's if his standards are really low. A black guy with higher standards will start to run in to issues.

This is true. White men have more of a problem standing out. While White men might not reach incel status in a lot of cases, there are a lot of near incel/borderline incel White men. These are White men in sexless marriages, unattached White men without social circles relying upon swipe apps and DMing on social media. Because there are more White men, there's more White male competition and it's more difficult to stand out.

White men are usually competing for White women. White women are the most demanding female cohort out there. They have sky high and often delusional expectations. Men of all races/ethnicities seem to go wild for White women.

This is the main issue for white men on the apps. This is why other than Chads, the edgy or artsie white men do better because they set themselves apart more.

 

[sangheilios]

A lot of intelligent men who are rather analytical, struggle with women. These are men of multiple races and they are often in STEM-related occupations.



If someone examines the race breakdown of the incel population as a whole, White men would comprised the highest percentage of incels. This is because White men are the statistical majority still.

If someone examines the occurrence of incel status within races/ethnicites, White men wouldn't dominate. There are many East and South Asian men who are incels. Incel status might occur at higher percentages within East and South Asian populations.

Incel status looks different by race/ethnicity. If a Hispanic/Black man is an incel, it's due to poverty, lower status, and not cultivating a good, tattooed dirtbag type persona. Hispanic/Black men who are broke can have a niche banging Walmart cashiers and similar other lower status women. When White, East Asian, and South Asian men are incels, it is often due to their personality and being a STEM worker.



This is true. White men have more of a problem standing out. While White men might not reach incel status in a lot of cases, there are a lot of near incel/borderline incel White men. These are White men in sexless marriages, unattached White men without social circles relying upon swipe apps and DMing on social media. Because there are more White men, there's more White male competition and it's more difficult to stand out.

White men are usually competing for White women. White women are the most demanding female cohort out there. They have sky high and often delusional expectations. Men of all races/ethnicities seem to go wild for White women.

As I mentioned to @Mike32ct intelligent men that are analytical are not seen as unattractive due to these traits but due to the fact that they lack spontaneity. These types of men are less likely to provide women feelings of excitement and adventure simply because spontaneity is not a personality trait of theirs. With that said, a man should not feel that he has to constantly entertain a woman like a court jester. Side note, whenever I've heard other men talk about women that get bored easily it's never a good sign.

I'd say in the U.S./west the highest prevalence of inceldom would be with Asian and Indian men. A simple reason for this is that most women outside of their ethnic group, which constitutes the overwhelming majority of the population in the west, will just flat out not date them. Very few white women in the U.S would date an Indian or Asian man, these types of men would be better off going for a woman of their own race, though even they prefer white men if given the opportunity.

As for black and hispanic men compared to white men. From what I've seen in AZ, it's not difficult for even low quality and unattractive hispanic men to land a looks match female lol. I agree with your point about white women in that many of them are entitled and have far higher expectations than women of other races as a whole. I believe that this is especially the case for white women that grew up in upper middle class backgrounds, which is the norm for many parts of the U.S. This is going to heavily relate to how they were raised by their parents, and often times these women growing up were overindulged. Look at the sorority girls you'd see at ASU or the UofA, that's a fantastic example of what I'm talking about.

 

[corrector]

A black guy with higher standards will start to run in to issues.

But that's setting the bar too low, lol!

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

She is Carribean black. She comes from Trinidad. Her father was from Barbados and his decendants are likely owed raparations from the UK. What's the relevance of this to the overall "born red-pill" argument? Are you saying only African Americans are born with a red-pill? Why would other blacks not have a red-pill at birth?

I am specifically talking about black people in the USA that descendant from the American Slave System. They are separate from other black people because they face different issues than Jamaican immigrants or Ethiopian immigrants in the US. A huge RP factor like @sangheilios stated is the single mom epidemic that black Americans face vs a Jamaican immigrant is more than likely going to have a huge family network system in place. Idk how it is in Canada, but I would bet it's much better up there than being born under a single mother in a state like Florida lol.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I wonder if corrector is going on about the race bs, knowing it'll get this thread locked at some point.... He doesn't like the premise of the thread by being a self proclaimed incel. Which is his own fault due to being obese but looking down on fatties...

 

[corrector]

I wonder if corrector is going on about the race bs, knowing it'll get this thread locked at some point.... He doesn't like the premise of the thread by being a self proclaimed incel. Which is his own fault due to being obese but looking down on fatties...

I champion the underdog.

 

[sangheilios]

True, the Democrats have failed them. They have a policy of benign neglect and its going to backfire.

Honestly, I really don't see that changing and I believe that black America will still continue to overwhelmingly support the democrat party, at least those that take interest in the political sphere. People need to take more accountability for themselves instead of thinking some politician is going to come in and magically save them. The issues that most people face are consequences of their own actions.

The 3 biggest issues people face that they can fix themselves

- Who you are dating, this can bring a tremendous amount of struggle and stress into your life if it's with the wrong person and you can't let go.

- Your financial life or lack thereof can be a tremendous burden but can possibly be fixed.

- Issues related to drugs

I think if people worked on these 3 things we'd be far happier and more successful as a society.

 

[sangheilios]

I am specifically talking about black people in the USA that descendant from the American Slave System. They are separate from other black people because they face different issues than Jamaican immigrants or Ethiopian immigrants in the US. A huge RP factor like @sangheilios stated is the single mom epidemic that black Americans face vs a Jamaican immigrant is more than likely going to have a huge family network system in place. Idk how it is in Canada, but I would bet it's much better up there than being born under a single mother in a state like Florida lol.

Exactly. Nigerians living in America are more likely to have bachelor degrees or higher than the average white American, though this is a very specific and relatively small demographic in the population. Only the most educated Nigerians are here in the U.S, it was something that I had mentioned earlier that our country will attract the world's best scientists, doctors, etc.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

As I mentioned to @Mike32ct intelligent men that are analytical are not seen as unattractive due to these traits but due to the fact that they lack spontaneity. These types of men are less likely to provide women feelings of excitement and adventure simply because spontaneity is not a personality trait of theirs. With that said, a man should not feel that he has to constantly entertain a woman like a court jester. Side note, whenever I've heard other men talk about women that get bored easily it's never a good sign.

This! I’ve witnessed this. A incel friend of mine got a date to go on a hike with a woman. I had a chance to hang out with them before they were to go. (they were to drive separately and meet at a park). My friend, who is quite smart, acted almost robotic. Like an engineer discussing a turbine. When they were together. Guess what. She ghosted him.

 

[sangheilios]

True again, even if a black guy has a beta personality, he can still find some white guilt liberal woman or a mudshark to date. However, that's if his standards are really low. A black guy with higher standards will start to run in to issues.

Do you think that a lot of men that are incels have standards that may be too high to have much dating success? I don't necessarily mean by saying that they are going for out of their league, I feel that this is a very rare issue for most men. What I'm saying is given the current dating market conditions would it be better for a man to drop his standards a bit and date down if his goal was to have a relationship, sex, etc. or should he retain his standards? One of my issues personally is that I have standards and I'd have a difficult time going below them. I mean, I'm a white male that is 6'4" and 235-240 and one the fittest guys at the gym, I believe that dating a woman that is at least of a normal weight is a reasonable expectation. I could start going for overweight women but how much should a man be lowering his standards to have some dating success? Is it better to lower your standards or perhaps just do some self-improvement or just keep looking? The reality is the dating market is trash and a lot of men are being left out in the dust unless they date down, it's a strange idea to consider.

 

[corrector]

but due to the fact that they lack spontaneity. These types of men are less likely to provide women feelings of excitement and adventure simply because spontaneity is not a personality trait of theirs.

Agreed.

 

[sangheilios]

This! I’ve witnessed this.

A long time ago I had gone on few dates with this woman that said she got bored easily. She always acted bored and disinterested, which she was, but yet she offered absolutely NOTHING to the interaction, as in no ideas of what to do, no input into the conversation, etc. Of course she got bored easily, because she had nothing to offer and expected everyone else to do the damn work for her lol.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I'm a white male that is 6'4" and 235-240 and one the fittest guys at the gym,

Jesus Christ dude... You go on and on about this, but with 17" arms you're not that big. Stop it..... I'm 5'6 and 173lbs with 16" arms... I am not that big either, and I'm 10" shorter, 60lbs lighter, and only an inch smaller arms.....

@Pedrito0906 What's your arm size, height and weight. You have a pic that's good for reference.

 

[Snag87]

Incels are a godsend to genetic zeroes everywhere. Finally, they've found an acceptable target 'lower' than them to abuse for a cheap dopamine bump. Women have a new bugaboo to caterwaul about and wield as as shaming implement. Reality is, the difference between an incel and the modal prematurely balding Redditor is honesty and a sense of self-respect.

This nails it. I can't tell you how many involuntarily celibate men I've seen shaming/targeting incels. When I point this out they attempt to shift the goalposts and claim a true incel is a sexless man who takes his anger out on the opposite sex, and merely being involuntarily celibate doesn't make one a genuine incel.

Bull****.

 

[sangheilios]

This! I’ve witnessed this. A incel friend of mine got a date to go on a hike with a woman. I had a chance to hang out with them before they were to go. (they were to drive separately and meet at a park). My friend, who is quite smart, acted almost robotic. Like an engineer discussing a turbine. When they were together. Guess what. She ghosted him.

She ghosted him after they went on the hike or before even meeting up?