Incels deserve being sexless. The only person you have to blame is yourself. Unless you ruthlessly self improve for 10 years you can’t complain.

[corrector]

That's not really what I meant by that. Western civilization is unique in that it's literally the only one to have gone through social revolutions related to liberty, human rights, etc. and actually maintained it. This is something that started centuries ago and truly began during European colonization of the new world, the enlightenment period and the American revolution, etc. The west went through authoritarianism, in the form of feudalism and monarchies, and over time replaced them. What we take for granted in the west are things that are virtually unheard of throughout the rest of the world and it's history.

Some places have attempted this but failed in their endeavor. The Russian revolution is a good example of this. The Russian empire was an authoritarian monarchy that had never been challenged and the general population was still living in serfdom well past what we saw in west, we are talking up until WW1. They eventually toppled the czars but ended up replacing it with just another authoritarian government that kept them in more or less the same position, with that power being the communist party. Then the Soviet Union collapses about 30 years ago and then replaces it with a pseudo dictatorship.

Another great example is China. Literally the same thing where they are dominated by authoritarian governments, then foreign powers (mongols, Europeans, etc.). Then they have a brief period of self rule in the early 20th century before being invaded and broadly occupied by Japan. After the defeat of Japan in WW2, the communist party takes over and has been for close to 80 years now.

The middle east and North Africa is another example we can use. Dominated by the Ottoman empire and later European powers. Then after WW2 when colonialism ends these countries are ruled by dictatorships.

You can go through literally every non western society and this is the repetitive trend.

You are very selective with these examples. But, how about Ghana, Nigeria, or Carribean democratic nations? India is a democracy too?

Western democracy, especially in the USA is discredited in other nations. For example, the Rwanda president says that only criminals who actually did something wrong and deserve to go to jail, end up in jail, unlike America. America cant even talk about human rights with China. When you have youtube and social media showing murders on camera and people getting away with it by the system depending on skin pigmentation of who the perpetrator and victim is, and it's wordlwide distribution of that content then you can't hide anything and preach democracy to other nations. Then you have the January 6th coup. What democratic countries have attempted coups like that?

 

[sangheilios]

You are very selective with these examples. But, how about Ghana, Nigeria, or Carribean democratic nations? India is a democracy too?

Western democracy, especially in the USA is discredited in other nations. For example, the Rwanda president says that only criminals who actually did something wrong and deserve to go to jail, end up in jail, unlike America. America cant even talk about human rights with China. When you have youtube and social media showing murders on camera and people getting away with it by the system depending on skin pigmentation of who the perpetrator and victim is, and it's wordlwide distribution of that content then you can't hide anything and preach democracy to other nations. Then you have the January 6th coup. What democratic countries have attempted coups like that?

Those countries are substantially more corrupt than what we have in the west, I have no idea what you are talking about. There is a reason why everyone in the 3rd and 2nd world dreams of coming to the U.S. lol. That whole black people being killed by police is complete nonsense. You realize that black people make up 13% of the population of the U.S. but are accountable for over 50% of murders in our country? They also represent about 2/3 of inmates in our prison system. That's not due to racism, it's because they commit crimes at substantially higher levels than that of whites. If America was so racist, then why are Asian Americans on average more educated and financially succesful than white Americans?

If you live in the U.S, or any other western nation, you are incredibly privileged, anyone who says otherwise has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. I live in the U.S, people can yell "F joe Biden" while protesting in front of the white house and not be arrested and thrown in prison indefinitely. I can post stuff on social media just like this and not have the police show up to my door. What do you think would happen if you did something like this in China? A guy with a Trump poster on his restaurant doesn't have the police come in and shut him down, though he may get heckled for it by some random citizen. A police officer isn't going to pull me over and detain me indefinitely unless I give him $500 in cash, something that happens quite often in Mexico. I won't get sent off to some labor camp for being a political prisoner.

The U.S isn't perfect but in regard to how we live in it as citizens is insanely different than what non westerners have ever experienced, both now and in the past. If you are American, you are privileged, and we take so much for granted it's not even funny. I'm referring purely to how we live in the U.S. as citizens.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That's an understatement, it's obvious to me that they're riddled with far more deep seated issues than "a bit of social anxiety". Most of them are downright toxic and I wouldn't want to be around them either.

It is true however that it is entirely within their control to change themselves and their situation, their predicament isn't as involuntary as their denial would have them believe.

Hating on them accomplishes nothing other than making them double down on their denial. They should for the most part be ignored until they show behavior worthy of positive attention.

One incel friend has crippling social anxiety. Another (who confided in me when he was drunk) has a small dvck. Another is beyond incompetent when it comes to women. None are hideous, and all could have (or may still) gotten/get a girl. They're not toxic.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I've given up trying to help these people, if you have an aversion to adversity you are not gonna grow, their lack of growth is the problem.

 

[corrector]

Those countries are substantially more corrupt than what we have in the west, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Not all of them are that bad.

There is a reason why everyone in the 3rd and 2nd world dreams of coming to the U.S. lol.

They are people who want to move out of America too.

That's not due to racism,

That's too self-serving.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

In general we are all (men/women) a product of a generation of weak men.

On one side of the coin you have men actually wasting life mending their wounded ego as to why women wont sleep with them. This creates these dangerous incels because they feel like women are "owed" to them. This leads to the most dangerous aspects of the pilled communities out their. When these bloggers, host, entertainers, ect. talk about women most of the time its always some issue outside the person as to why they cant get laid. This basically takes all the power away from the individual making there situation seem doomed and unmanageable.

Then on the other side you have men sleeping with multiple women simply out of ego but building lives with none of the girls he sleeps with. This creates more weak men without fathers and more bitter jaded broken women.

Both are weak men.

We are all 99.999% genetically the same. Thinking you are some .001% with some special human gene that must be passed on to the next generation is simply you ego talking. I don't think incels are bad for society, its a product of 100s of generations fighting wars, farming land and fighting of dangerous so their sons could live good lives. America was built of christian principles ie. The Bible Belt States. Ironically incels are actually the ideal christian. So maybe we are at the height of American society.

I'd also add that I'd think modern day men and women hold sex so highly because its really the only thing left that cant be bout outright. Women become more prudish while men become more forgiving.

This! Most of (me included) my friends had absent fathers. Although my Dad was (is?) a playboy chadlet, I grew up in a household of women. Rarely seeing my Dad. So we all missed out on having a successful male role model. Those of us who escaped inceldom either exerted extreeme effort to pull themselves up by the bootstraps or got genetically lucky (my Mom was a literal model) and women made the effort. I joined the Infantry to 'man myself up'. As I felt I was descending into a soft, 'womanly' person.

 

[Divorced w 3]

This is natures way of culling itself. Outside of being nice it does not help to improve anyone to be honest. Attraction is a relative thing.

 

[Serenity]

One incel friend has crippling social anxiety. Another (who confided in me when he was drunk) has a small dvck. Another is beyond incompetent when it comes to women. None are hideous, and all could have (or may still) gotten/get a girl. They're not toxic.

Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't have generalized like that. For some of them having a toxic personality is the main cause though, but not for all of them.

 

[sangheilios]

Not all of them are that bad.



They are people who want to move out of America too.



That's too self-serving.

I just gave you a really really good example with Mexico, I live in AZ and I've heard so many stories from people driving across the border and being stopped at checkpoints and literally being held hostage by the police until they pay them. Latin America is insanely corrupt, and I guarantee it's nothing compared to Africa. Does corruption in the U.S exist, hell yeah it does, but it's nowhere near to the same degree as in these countries in regard to how it directly affects its citizens.

For every one person that is looking to leave America substantially more are looking to come here. The best doctors, scientists, etc. don't move to places like Africa or Brazil or Pakistan, they go to the U.S. I'm not even sure if you are trolling here or legitimately aren't aware of this.

As for the comments about racism, it's not an issue in the U.S. Black people are the most race obsessed group in the entire country, which makes them the racists. Everything is about race to them as a collective. There lack of success is due to being held back by white people. Did this exist in the past, yes, but the civil rights movement was 60 years ago. Black people blame everyone else for their issues instead of taking accountability for their own actions and mistakes. Is it a white person's fault that over 70% of black children are growing up in single mother households? Is it a white person's fault that they have a significantly higher prevalence of not finishing high school? Is it a white person's fault that they commit the overwhelming majority of crime in our country despite being only 13% of the population?

Again, the U.S isn't perfect but it's a million times better than any other non western country.

This is getting seriously off topic

 

[patb]

There is no secret that things have gotten harder, but crying about it isn't going to fix things. Men simply need to adapt and survive.

Life isn't fair.

Actually, “crying about it” can fix things if it leads to collective action in lieu of ridiculous macho posturing.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Actually, “crying about it” can fix things if it leads to collective action in lieu of ridiculous macho posturing.

The thing is, @Zimbabwe knows what needs to be done (he himself alluded to it in this thread) and yet he still makes these threads.

 

[RickTheToad]

You speak truth, one moment everything is fine and suddenly you're someone's dinner or flat as a pancake on the road. Sorry about running over a some of your buddies a few years ago.

Really wasn't cool. You killed Kermit's sister's, daughter's, cousin, twice removed family. They are all still grieving. Melvin even forwarded me a pic from the last time. Need to calm down and look while your driving. Toads Lives Matter!

 

[Divorced w 3]

Actually, “crying about it” can fix things if it leads to collective action in lieu of ridiculous macho posturing.

I agree! No shame in crying. Men cry. Some of us here probably know military people. Some of us may even know combat veterans or highly trained special operators. They cry. Maybe not often but if the moment arrives they often do. (there’s never hard rules)If you hit a wall or point in your life where it’s becoming overwhelming, and you break enough to actually cry, congratulations! You have arrived at the point of self realization that your current situation is not what you desire or have longed for and may finally be motivated to do something positive to effect change in your life. Crying is the body’s way of soothing itself. Let it clear your head, calm you down and then get started on your new path.

 

[corrector]

As for the comments about racism, it's not an issue in the U.S. Black people are the most race obsessed group in the entire country, which makes them the racists. Everything is about race to them as a collective. There lack of success is due to being held back by white people. Did this exist in the past, yes,

Reparations are due once you admit that.

but the civil rights movement was 60 years ago.

So was Japanese Internment, but they got reparations for that.

Black people blame everyone else for their issues instead of taking accountability for their own actions and mistakes.

You mean like the 1920 Tulsa Race riot, when blacks got too prosperous so the whites decided to bomb the whole city and start murdering blacks from the place?

Lets think of some more modern day examples to be fair: If you appraise your house you'll get a higher value for it as a white person, then if the same house is owned by a black person. Or how about bad agricultural seed being sold so a black person so that their crop yield would be sabatauged, who cares if people starve over it, so long as white farmers make the money (yes there has been lawsuits over discrimintory seeds).

You have to look into every nook and cranny. The devil is in the details.

 

[patb]

One incel friend has crippling social anxiety. Another (who confided in me when he was drunk) has a small dvck. Another is beyond incompetent when it comes to women. None are hideous, and all could have (or may still) gotten/get a girl. They're not toxic.

Toxicity is no barrier at all to success with women, in any case.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Toxicity is no barrier at all to success with women, in any case.

some argue it is a positive.

 

[MatureDJ]

Life as a man sucks. It’s extremely hard. You aren’t owed anything.

You have to grind all out nonstop to become desirable and if you don’t you have no right to complain.

Does that include leg-lengthening?

 

[MatureDJ]

... the vast majority of these men are going to be relatively average or normal guys that really have nothing wrong with them. I'm honestly becoming very concerned about this because what ends up happening is these men basically check out from society. What will eventually happen is these men feel little to no incentive to putting in effort into anything and they begin to stagnate. Jobs that are highly male dominated, particularly those that are physically demanding or potentially hazardous, may find it difficult to hire men. Why should these men work hard and risk themselves when women are telling them they aren't good enough.

I've been making this point for quite some time. I've noticed in my (white-collar) career that unmarried men that hit their early-mid 30s typically (myself included) change up their career in some way - with the main reason for the change to somehow get out of their inceldom (e.g., by GeoMaxxing). Whatever they end up doing, they put in a lot less effort than the married men do continuing to build their careers. Poon is an essential motivation for men, and when it's not there, the is no motivation.

 

[patb]

I've been making this point for quite some time. I've noticed in my (white-collar) career that unmarried men that hit their early-mid 30s typically (myself included) change up their career in some way - with the main reason for the change to somehow get out of their inceldom (e.g., by GeoMaxxing). Whatever they end up doing, they put in a lot less effort than the married men do continuing to build their careers. Poon is an essential motivation for men, and when it's not there, the is no motivation.

Some of us have no such option, sad to say. I should have gone into tech -- I could be FIREd by now on some beach in Thailand.

 

[sangheilios]

Reparations are due once you admit that.



So was Japanese Internment, but they got reparations for that.



You mean like the 1920 Tulsa Race riot, when blacks got too prosperous so the whites decided to bomb the whole city and start murdering blacks from the place?

Lets think of some more modern day examples to be fair: If you appraise your house you'll get a higher value for it as a white person, then if the same house is owned by a black person. Or how about bad agricultural seed being sold so a black person so that their crop yield would be sabatauged, who cares if people starve over it, so long as white farmers make the money (yes there has been lawsuits over discrimintory seeds).

You have to look into every nook and cranny. The devil is in the details.

You ever consider that a home owned by a black person is going to be in a black neighborhood which on average has a higher crime rate than a white neighborhood?

Are you aware that black people often get priority over white people in regard to college admissions and even certain government jobs in order to meet certain equality quotas?

Tulsa race riot was over 100 years ago and has literally no relevance to anything going on today. Did you also know that one of the sparks to that was a black man allegedly raping a white woman in Tulsa in an elevator? As for reparations, are you aware that many other ethnic/cultural groups have been treated absolutely horrendously in the U.S? You know what the difference is between these people and black america, is that they moved the **** on and made a life for themselves instead of collectively complaining about **** that happened generations ago. If America was so racist then why the hell did it elect Barrack Obama not just once but twice? Hell, even a redneck state like Indiana voted for him in 2008 lol. Are there still some racist good ol' boys down south, hell yeah, but most white people just don't give a damn about race anymore. You know who is still obsessed about race?