Incels deserve being sexless. The only person you have to blame is yourself. Unless you ruthlessly self improve for 10 years you can’t complain.

[Hamurabimbi]

She ghosted him after they went on the hike or before even meeting up?

before meeting up. This was a couple of years ago. and he brought it up again recently.

 

[MatureDJ]

... Baby Boomer fathers who were present in their Millennial sons' lives had essentially zero impact in preparing their sons for the mating market of the 2000s-present.

The mating market had always been good for men, and so the Baby Boomers didn't even think that it could be a problem. The problems with the mating market began as the Baby Bust Gen-Xers got going. By the late '80s or early '90s, there were more older women, which wasn't a problem until those women hit their mid-30s and became undatable. That's when it became OVER for GenXCels.

 

[patb]

I think the incels tend to be deep thinkers. Maybe that is why we are struggling. You can't be too heavy in mind and be light socially at the same time.

No fact is more stridently denied than the reality that being cerebral is a serious barrier to "fitting in" and almost antithetical to having "social skills." You do have intelligent extrovert psychopath types like Bill Clinton, but they're not cerebral or intellectual.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I champion the underdog.

Which underdog? The one the media tells you to champion?

 

[SW15]

The mating market had always been good for men, and so the Baby Boomers didn't even think that it could be a problem. The problems with the mating market began as the Baby Bust Gen-Xers got going. By the late '80s or early '90s, there were more older women, which wasn't a problem until those women hit their mid-30s and became undatable. That's when it became OVER for GenXCels.

The Gen X'ers got a better mating market in their 20s/30s than Millennials did.

Incel status was a bit unusual in the mid-1990s. Incel status didn't really become a big thing until the Millennials became sexually mature in the early 2000s.

Neil Strauss was slightly an outlier case as a 1969 born Gen X'er. He was borderline incel before meeting Mystery and other PUAs. Those men taught him how to get his penis wet despite being 5'6". Gen X is about when being short started to be a real curse, though I don't think being a shorter man as a Boomer would have been all too fun.

Average height Gen X'ers were in a better spot than average height Millennials.

 

[patb]

Which underdog? The one the media tells you to champion?

The media most certainly doesn't tell anyone to champion incels. They're the designated acceptable scapegoat/punching bag/helot caste.

 

[Snag87]

I'll probably make a topic on this later, but it's not that hard to be higher than 70-80% of men out there. Unless you have some genetic defect or something, any man can make himself a solid 7/10. This Adonnis or ideal guy RP teaches is more like the .01% not the top 10%.

Being a 70th percentile is essentially useless these days. As you say, it's a low bar. You have to be 85th percentile at minimum to have a fighting chance.

 

[Snag87]

I just gave you a really really good example with Mexico, I live in AZ and I've heard so many stories from people driving across the border and being stopped at checkpoints and literally being held hostage by the police until they pay them. Latin America is insanely corrupt, and I guarantee it's nothing compared to Africa. Does corruption in the U.S exist, hell yeah it does, but it's nowhere near to the same degree as in these countries in regard to how it directly affects its citizens.

For every one person that is looking to leave America substantially more are looking to come here. The best doctors, scientists, etc. don't move to places like Africa or Brazil or Pakistan, they go to the U.S. I'm not even sure if you are trolling here or legitimately aren't aware of this.

As for the comments about racism, it's not an issue in the U.S. Black people are the most race obsessed group in the entire country, which makes them the racists. Everything is about race to them as a collective. There lack of success is due to being held back by white people. Did this exist in the past, yes, but the civil rights movement was 60 years ago. Black people blame everyone else for their issues instead of taking accountability for their own actions and mistakes. Is it a white person's fault that over 70% of black children are growing up in single mother households? Is it a white person's fault that they have a significantly higher prevalence of not finishing high school? Is it a white person's fault that they commit the overwhelming majority of crime in our country despite being only 13% of the population?

Again, the U.S isn't perfect but it's a million times better than any other non western country.

This is getting seriously off topic

Sorry, but black people don't commit the majority of crime in the US, much less the "overwhelming majority."

 

[corrector]

Sorry, but black people don't commit the majority of crime in the US, much less the "overwhelming majority."

They are targeted by le the most because of unchecked of the ws culture within le.

 

[Snag87]

You ever consider that a home owned by a black person is going to be in a black neighborhood which on average has a higher crime rate than a white neighborhood?

Are you aware that black people often get priority over white people in regard to college admissions and even certain government jobs in order to meet certain equality quotas?

Tulsa race riot was over 100 years ago and has literally no relevance to anything going on today. Did you also know that one of the sparks to that was a black man allegedly raping a white woman in Tulsa in an elevator? As for reparations, are you aware that many other ethnic/cultural groups have been treated absolutely horrendously in the U.S? You know what the difference is between these people and black america, is that they moved the **** on and made a life for themselves instead of collectively complaining about **** that happened generations ago. If America was so racist then why the hell did it elect Barrack Obama not just once but twice? Hell, even a redneck state like Indiana voted for him in 2008 lol. Are there still some racist good ol' boys down south, hell yeah, but most white people just don't give a damn about race anymore. You know who is still obsessed about race?

There have been social experiments where black and white 'homeowners' have had the same house appraised. The white homeowners received higher valuations.

 

[corrector]

There have been social experiments where black and white 'homeowners' have had the same house appraised. The white homeowners received higher valuations.

Much higher evaluations that would look criminal.

 

[Snag87]

They are targeted by le the most because of unchecked of the ws culture within le.

I think blacks were 13% of the US and comprised 28% of all arrests. So they commit a minority of crime, but are over represented in crime stats. One could argue that if blacks are targeted by law enforcement, they could potentially commit crimes at a lower rate than arrests would lead one to believe. This is difficult to prove.

 

[corrector]

I think blacks were 13% of the US and comprised 28% of all arrests. So they commit a minority of crime, but are over represented in crime stats. One could argue that if blacks are targeted by law enforcement, they could potentially commit crimes at a lower rate than arrests would lead one to believe. This is difficult to prove.

Likely a much lower rate. There is allot of youtube vids and news out there that has me convinced that police do not care about crimes, and in fact can make up crimes that are not there or commit it themselves.

This is why I argued that other countries who have access to youtube and social media will see America as hypocritical on human rights. When you start jailing innoscent people and dont care then other countries, like Rwanda, take notice of this. Do you know how many exonerarions have been blacks compared to other groups? They are the majority of exonerations.

When you bring this up people think you are anti-American or anti-police or think America is racist rather than acknowledge constructive reform is necessary. You can only be against that if you like getting away with things or using your priviledge to get the benefit if the doubt to make life 10 times easier. Its always hard to do the right thing when you stand the most to lose.

This is why other races and blacks in particular have been made to feel like they are walking on eggshells and cant feel socially liberated like a priviledged class. Its because they will be seen as uppity and the system has ways of keeping that down if they are unfairly targeted.

 

[Snag87]

A boom in inceldom has been inevitable ever since the advent of the internet. It was always going to give women unprecedented access to the high-value men they desire. Feminism certainly didn't help matters, but the ideology had been around for decades prior to the internet.

 

[corrector]

A boom in inceldom has been inevitable ever since the advent of the internet. It was always going to give women unprecedented access to the high-value men they desire. Feminism certainly didn't help matters, but the ideology had been around for decades prior to the internet.

The ideology was more welcome before the internet. When they start demonizing incels, the metoo movement or calling the police becauae they are too entitled to suffer a hello from you then it has overstayed its welcome and there is going to be pushback.

 

[sangheilios]

Sorry, but black people don't commit the majority of crime in the US, much less the "overwhelming majority."

They don't? You realize over 50% of murders committed in the U.S are by black people, right?

This is literally the very first article I see on any google search that discusses this, Black Americans are incarcerated at nearly five times the rate of Whites, new report on state prisons finds | CNN Politics

Another one from several years ago here

Black Americans incarcerated five times more than white people – report | US prisons | The Guardian

Not a fan of CNN, but lol at anyone who argues about this. A demographic that is little more than 10% of the total population is overwhelmingly represented in our prison system. Trolls and leftist would say it's racism, the reality is that they are just committing more crime per capita than white and hispanic people. If you deny this you are a moron.

 

[corrector]

Honestly, I really don't see that changing and I believe that black America will still continue to overwhelmingly support the democrat party, at least those that take interest in the political sphere. People need to take more accountability for themselves instead of thinking some politician is going to come in and magically save them. The issues that most people face are consequences of their own actions.

The 3 biggest issues people face that they can fix themselves

- Who you are dating, this can bring a tremendous amount of struggle and stress into your life if it's with the wrong person and you can't let go.

- Your financial life or lack thereof can be a tremendous burden but can possibly be fixed.

- Issues related to drugs

I think if people worked on these 3 things we'd be far happier and more successful as a society.

To be clear, I agree with the aspect that there is no white saviour and that voting for Democrats is not a solution. Every movement of progress is made through demonstrations and protests. What happens when Democrats are in power, is that there is a sleeping spell, everybody gets comfortable, and the when same evils that happen when Republicans are in power, there is no mass movements and people are more chill. Biden doesn't rile anyone up.

The fact is, my black family is very successful in the USA. One of my black cousin is into Real-Estate, owns a mansion, and flips properties like crazy in Newark and the area around. Another black cousin is an anchorman at a Chicago news station, and another has a condo in California and has a successful business where even mentors other people, including whites, to help set them up to find work.

 

[sangheilios]

Likely a much lower rate. There is allot of youtube vids and news out there that has me convinced that police do not care about crimes, and in fact can make up crimes that are not there or commit it themselves.

This is why I argued that other countries who have access to youtube and social media will see America as hypocritical on human rights. When you start jailing innoscent people and dont care then other countries, like Rwanda, take notice of this. Do you know how many exonerarions have been blacks compared to other groups? They are the majority of exonerations.

When you bring this up people think you are anti-American or anti-police or think America is racist rather than acknowledge constructive reform is necessary. You can only be against that if you like getting away with things or using your priviledge to get the benefit if the doubt to make life 10 times easier. Its always hard to do the right thing when you stand the most to lose.

This is why other races and blacks in particular have been made to feel like they are walking on eggshells and cant feel socially liberated like a priviledged class. Its because they will be seen as uppity and the system has ways of keeping that down if they are unfairly targeted.

LOL

So, do you think that George Floyd and Ahmed Arbery were just total decent and normal citizens? George Floyd was confronted by police for using a counterfeit bill. At the time he was high as a kite on fentanyl, a drug that lowers your respiratory rate, and he later resists arrest and is held down, later no longer breathing. He wasn't suffocated, the autopsy revealed all of this stuff MONTHS later after the media had already instilled a narrative into the hive mind of the population.

Ahmed Arbery was some punk kid who was snooping around a construction site looking for something to steal. He starts jogging down the road to make himself scarce but is confronted by the neighbors who had grown tired of recent break ins going on in the neighborhood. Now, do you go and confront some guy over in an attempt to do a citizen's arrest while armed, hell no lol. The guys that confronted him were fools to do that but he wasn't just this kid jogging down the street, especially when he is literally miles away from home lol. The media again used this as a tool to instill a narrative into the hive mind of the population. They even had Arbery's father go on the news as if he was lynched by a white mob lol.

Relative to their population as a demographic, black people, men in particular, commit substantially more crime than that compared to white people. This isn't because of racism, it's because they do these ****ing acts in the first place lol. Guess what, blacks overwhelmingly grow up in single mother households and drastically underperform in school. What happens when you are in a situation like this? You are substantially more likely to be impoverished and be a criminal. People forget there are also poor white people, have you ever been to West Virginia or places like rural Maine? It's a white man's fault that I robbed this convenient store or felt the need to join a gang lol.

 

[corrector]

They don't? You realize over 50% of murders committed in the U.S are by black people, right?

This is literally the very first article I see on any google search that discusses this, Black Americans are incarcerated at nearly five times the rate of Whites, new report on state prisons finds | CNN Politics

Another one from several years ago here

Black Americans incarcerated five times more than white people – report | US prisons | The Guardian

Not a fan of CNN, but lol at anyone who argues about this. A demographic that is little more than 10% of the total population is overwhelmingly represented in our prison system. Trolls and leftist would say it's racism, the reality is that they are just committing more crime per capita than white and hispanic people. If you deny this you are a moron.

Those articles do not say they are in jail because of murder. Its says low-level offenses like drug offenses.

Here are very recent stories of white people who don't even go to jail for killing black people because the system treats them very lightly:

NAACP investigating possibly racially-motivated attack at Whitehaven golf course

The NAACP said it is looking into whether an incident involving a man who allegedly hit a man over the head with a golf club was racially-motivated.

news.yahoo.com

What we know about the killing of 13-year-old Sinzae Reed

Sinzae Reed, 13, was shot and killed in October at a Hilltop apartment complex. Online and local activists are calling for more action into his death.

www.dispatch.com

You want to say a system is fair that doesn't charge or under-charges when whites commit or attempt to commit murder, and then puts so many blacks into jail for what is low level offenses?

 

[sangheilios]

To be clear, I agree with the aspect that there is no white saviour and that voting for Democrats is not a solution. Every movement of progress is made through demonstrations and protests. What happens when Democrats are in power, is that there is a sleeping spell, everybody gets comfortable, and the when same evils that happen when Republicans are in power, there is no mass movements and people are more chill. Biden doesn't rile anyone up.

The fact is, my black family is very successful in the USA. One of my black cousin is into Real-Estate, owns a mansion, and flips properties like crazy in Newark and the area around. Another black cousin is an anchorman at a Chicago news station, and another has a condo in California and has a successful business where even mentors other people, including whites, to help set them up to find work.

What progress do you think needs to be done? The biggest problem for black America as a collective is their ridiculous degree of children growing up in single mother households and drastically underperforming academically compared to other races. I live in AZ and there are many school systems in certain part of the state that have absolutely abysmal high school graduation rates, I'm talking like less than 80%. Is this because the school system sucks or is it due to the demographic that is attending? It's more often than not due to the latter. There are some cultural things that go into this, plus when people are impoverished it makes it challenging for children to do well in school, let alone finish. Children growing up in environments like this are less likely to succeed academically and professionally compared to those growing up in a more established household that isn't impoverished and has two parents. They are less likely to get in trouble with the law as well.

Easy to recognize what the real problem is but not something you can just go in and fix, this is something that has to be done by the individual. The results you experience in life are a consequence of your actions.