In Group Female Promiscuity is natural

[Pandora]

And research how easily the Native Americans were conquered by the monogamous Europeans. Monogamy with healthy nuclear families allows a society to be more united and stronger. It's also the reason the British,Spanish and French empires were able to surpass the Ottoman Empire which widely practiced Polygamy.

And research how easily the Native Americans were conquered by the monogamous Europeans. Monogamy with healthy nuclear families allows a society to be more united and stronger. It's also the reason the British,Spanish and French empires were able to surpass the Ottoman Empire which widely practiced Polygamy.

This is not the debate. I totally agree with you. These cultures are not able to build big buildings, wage war effectively, create complex banking systems etc. But the argument was very specific.

I am saying that women evolved from small units that placed very little restrictions on their sexuality. This is because the children were the tribes children. Paternity is not an issue in small forager societies.

This is why we are having so much trouble in modern day society with this monogamy thing. We spent 99.9999% of our time as sexually liberal polygamous units

 

[Pandora]

India was the Town Bike of the ancient world, it was invaded and conquered so many times.

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Again brother whether a culture can effectively wage war against a more aggressive culture is not the argument. Of course these cultures sucked at defense. These cultures were based on cooperation rather than competition. They also could not have complex technology because they were not based in agriculture. Agriculture allows cities, cities allow for specialization etc.

Are we happier than these people that are forgers? No. Look up the depression rate in highly advanced cultures. Look up the health of the family units.

 

[Pandora]

Haha sorry bro.

Although I will say this - Indian "buddhist" spirituality and african tribes are both known for their promiscuity. It's why Thailand is so slutty. They have the Indian spiritual influence. Basically Thais see everything as "karma". So if they are a slvt, then it must be because they were bad in their past life. So they just accept slvtiness as atonement for a better deal in the next life. There's also the sex magik stuff in the karma sutra.

On Africa, I found it interesting reading about how sex is used as a direct barter system in some parts of Africa. Some women literally get their pints of milk by banging the storeman behind the shop.

Again you bring up post agricultural Africa. I see you might be new to this material. For the last time PRE AGRICULTURAL society is vastly different than POST agricultural society's. Why do you keep bringing up the cluster fuc of post agricultural and post colonial Africa.

 

[Pandora]

One could argue that "advanced" is subjective. Sure they were more technologically advanced. Just like we are today. Though it's only "advanced" societies that exist today that threaten the whole planet with nuclear destruction. Unlike the less advanced societies of the past that live in harmony with the planet. We're so advanced that we can destroy everything. What good is it?

Exactly 100%. Every metric used is showing that these less advanced pre agricultural societies are much happier than we are. The most commonly prescribed medicine in the modern world is an anti depressant. How people can still argue that we are so much better than these foragers is beyond me.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

 

[Pandora]

And research how easily the Native Americans were conquered by the monogamous Europeans. Monogamy with healthy nuclear families allows a society to be more united and stronger. It's also the reason the British,Spanish and French empires were able to surpass the Ottoman Empire which widely practiced Polygamy.

Btw when did monogamy produce healthy nuclear families? Can you show us this in present day world.
And monogamous societies are anything but united. In monogamous societies you have rampant paternity fraud, class inequality etc.

The unity in a 150 group tribe is unparalleled. Yes they can't fight or can't build complex stuff....but they all love and look out for each other. That's what it means to be human.

 

[Pandora]

When you're monogamous you have more "skin in the game" - a wife and a family to defend.

Single, unattached men have always been viewed as a dangerous and destabilizing force in society.

More skin in the game? These tribes literally say paternity is not important because every kid is treated the same. John's son is my son. All the women nurse every kid. This is as much " skin in the game " as you can get.

You have a very wrong perception of what tribal living looked like. Research more my guy.

 

[Zimbabwe]

In monogamous societies you have rampant paternity fraud, class inequality etc.

Look at the western world before the sexual revolution and birth control pill. That's all the proof you need.

Modern Class inequality is largely attributed to women entering the workforce, it increased the pool of workers and drove down the average wage. A family could no longer survive on a single income, now you need both parents working and even that isn't enough in most major cities.

The Destruction of the nuclear family is in direct correlation with the Elites chipping away at the middle class.

 

[Pandora]

Look at the western world before the sexual revolution and birth control pill. That's all the proof you need.

Modern Class inequality is largely attributed to women entering the workforce, it increased the pool of workers and drove down the average wage. A family could no longer survive on a single income, now you need both parents working and even that isn't enough in most major cities.

The Destruction of the nuclear family is in direct correlation with the Elites chipping away at the middle class.

Monogamy was not working even before the sexual revolution. Women have always been smashing the milk man. False paternity was still high in our so called Great Generation. Women were just more secret about it because of fear.

Up until a couple weeks ago I used to think like you. I thought it was all the elites and that women were mere by products of feminism. But my thoughts have gone through a radical change.

Women were not more noble back then. It was just that the patriarchy and social norms had a boot on their head. They secretly wanted to fuc who they wanted to. If we have to go through all the effort of a patriarchy and religion etc then that shows that the drive for them to ***** out is tremendous. This proves that they naturally want to ***** out.

 

[Pandora]

If you love everyone, you love no one.

It removes the entire concept of "value" to treat everything and everyone as the same. In other words, it removes value and turns the world into a very ugly place

So people in tribes didn't love any of the kids in the tribe because they treated all of the children as their own? Hey man let's agree to disagree.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Monogamy was not working even before the sexual revolution. Women have always been smashing the milk man. False paternity was still high in our so called Great Generation. Women were just more secret about it because of fear.

Up until a couple weeks ago I used to think like you. I thought it was all the elites and that women were mere by products of feminism. But my thoughts have gone through a radical change.

Women were not more noble back then. It was just that the patriarchy and social norms had a boot on their head. They secretly wanted to fuc who they wanted to. If we have to go through all the effort of a patriarchy and religion etc then that shows that the drive for them to ***** out is tremendous. This proves that they naturally want to ***** out.

Women are shaped by the culture around them, they are like water. Genetically women are more inclined for Monogamy, here is a recent study to back up my claim

Stay or stray? Evidence for alternative mating strategy phenotypes in both men and women - PubMed

In all comparative analyses, humans always fall on the borderline between obligate monogamy and polygamy. Here, we use behavioural indices (sociosexuality) and anatomical indices (prenatal testosterone exposure indexed by 2D : 4D digit ratio) from three human populations to show that this may be...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Monogamy in humans is beneficial because it increases the chances of raising offspring, this is especially true since it takes humans 18 years to mature while most other mammals take a few months. Here is another source to explain why humans evolved to be monogamous and its benefit's

Are humans naturally monogamous?

Not many species are strictly monogamous, people might be more polygamous than you would think.

www.sciencefocus.com

I personally find the monogamous model very healthy. You are emotionally invested in a relationship with one person, there's no danger someone will feel neglected because of some other relationships of their partner, there's less chance of an uneven relationship. You share 100% of your life together, you give each other all of your hearts.

Monogamy is also one of the best ways to prevent STDs, which is further proof we were not meant to be having sex with everybody
Source

Monogamy Is One of the Best Ways to Prevent or Lower the Risk of STDs

Find out how a mutually monogamous relationship is generally considered to be of a lower risk for sexually transmitted diseases.

www.verywellhealth.com

 

[Pandora]

Women are promiscuous covertly in certain circumstances. With an emphasis on "covertly."

Why do they have to be covert about it? Because humans are not openly promiscuous.

Call a woman a "slvt" and watch her shriek at you. Women know innately that her c0ck count correlates to her value.

Humans are opportunistic. If a woman thinks she can get better quality genes from the milkman, and get her non-the-wiser beta to raise that kid then she'll do it. That has nothing to do with women just having promiscuous sex with any dude for the sake of it.

Women have evolved to be selective and that's pretty obvious I would think.

Who said they were not selective. You keep saying this straw man brotha. I am saying that in small units they are passed around more than we like to admit. They were made to be fucced by a small group of men. These men then shared paternity of the children.They were made to be shared. That's what every tribal unit did. They shared what limited amount of females that were present. You don't have to believe it but it happened.

Again take frat houses in college. Those sorority girls get passed around like it's nothing. Females behave drastically different in small isolated tribal units than they do in larger units.

If you ever worked in a place like the restaurant industry etc you will see that many of the girls have smashed more than one dude in the establishment. It was even more liberal back in the pre agricultural times. If you didn't experience this then that's ok.

 

[Pandora]

Women are shaped by the culture around them, they are like water. Genetically women are more inclined for Monogamy, here is a recent study to back up my claim

Stay or stray? Evidence for alternative mating strategy phenotypes in both men and women - PubMed

In all comparative analyses, humans always fall on the borderline between obligate monogamy and polygamy. Here, we use behavioural indices (sociosexuality) and anatomical indices (prenatal testosterone exposure indexed by 2D : 4D digit ratio) from three human populations to show that this may be...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Monogamy in humans is beneficial because it increases the chances of raising offspring, this is especially true since it takes humans 18 years to mature while most other mammals take a few months. Here is another source to explain why humans evolved to be monogamous and its benefit's

Are humans naturally monogamous?

Not many species are strictly monogamous, people might be more polygamous than you would think.

www.sciencefocus.com

I personally find the monogamous model very healthy. You are emotionally invested in a relationship with one person, there's no danger someone will feel neglected because of some other relationships of their partner, there's less chance of an uneven relationship. You share 100% of your life together, you give each other all of your hearts.

Monogamy is also one of the best ways to prevent STDs, which is further proof we were not meant to be having sex with everybody
Source

Monogamy Is One of the Best Ways to Prevent or Lower the Risk of STDs

Find out how a mutually monogamous relationship is generally considered to be of a lower risk for sexually transmitted diseases.

www.verywellhealth.com

Brother how can you say we are monogamous when hardly anyone is really practicing monogamy? No one you know has ever practiced monogamy..what they have done is serial monogamy ( which is not real monogamy).

The infidelity rate among women is 50% and that's the reported rate. Husbands are addicted to porn. I have kissed women on their bachelorette party and turned down going even further. No one except the Amish are monogamous and even they are probably doing some extra stuff on the side. We are not a monogamous species.

 

[Pandora]

The premise is pre-agricultural societies. I think females would have been considered mature once they were able to have kids.

Exactly. And they did not need to be bonded to one guy in those child rearing years because everyone was essentially the father. When they say it takes a village they really meant it back then.

 

[Zimbabwe]

The premise is pre-agricultural societies. I think females would have been considered mature once they were able to have kids.

Well Men mentally mature at 25 while women can range from 14-16 so i believe 18 is the average for both genders.

Brother how can you say we are monogamous when hardly anyone is really practicing monogamy?

Arab and indian societies still have arranged marriages so that's like 2 billion people right there practising monogamous relationships. A lot of traditional societies simply do not date at all, they meet up and get married. This produces significantly healthier and happier relationships on average. Multiple surveys and studies back this up.

The infidelity rate among women is 50% and that's the reported rate. Husbands are addicted to porn. I have kissed women on their bachelorette party and turned down going even further. No one except the Amish are monogamous and even they are probably doing some extra stuff on the side. We are not a monogamous species.

There is an entire world outside of America and the Anglosphere, America has had decades of feminism and sjws eroding traditional values and normalising Degenerate behaviour.

 

[SW15]

Women have been conditioned to share high value men over the course of human history. This wouldn't have been the choice of women to do this - the Alpha simply would have chosen his harem. If a woman complained about it she would have been clubbed to death. So, women defying Alphas dictates would well and truly have been bred out of humans.

Yes. Think Genghis Khan.

Men, on the other man, are largely conditioned throughout history to spend their entire lives not getting laid. This idea that humans lived in these tribes where everyone was fvcking freely is such a pathetic Indian IT worker wank fantasy. It is well known that the tribe structure of early humans was Alpha breeding males and Beta worker bees that didn't get laid (that's why you have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors - and it's probably far more than that).

True. I like the phrase "Indian IT worker wank fantasy". A lot of STEM workers have difficulty getting laid and that's STEM workers of all ethnicities. There are plenty of white IT workers and engineers who are borderline incel or incel.

This is exactly how you see mating behavior in the animal kingdom - males fighting over females. It's always been that way.

Yes

 

[SW15]

This is gold bro. This should be required reading for every man about to pick out an engagement ring. This is pretty much how it goes. This is the timeline.

Thank you for letting me know that this commentary below is gold regarding the typical timeline of romantic relationships.

Women's inclination towards serial monogamy does confuse men, especially beta males. A lot of men, especially beta males, will be with a woman 1-3 years and the sex will be frequent and good. That's still inside most women's serial monogamy zone. The man puts a ring on it, hoping to continue to get frequent access to vagina he deems acceptable or better for the forseeable future. There's something like a 6-12 month engagement, then the wedding, and then sex is still frequent for the first 2 years or so of the marriage. After ~2 years of marriage, the couple has been together for about 5 years, which is near the outer limits of women's desired serial monogamy window. I think the window is roughly 7 years long.

The median marriage that fails becomes a failure around the 7th anniversary, which is roughly 10 years of total relationship time. If you break down the 10 years, things are usually good for 5-7 of them (women's serial monogamy window) and then a couple will spend 3-5 years trying to make it work due to socialization/societal pressures before declaring it a failure.

After the serial monogamy window ends, this is how the relationship typically looks:

If the man is more alpha: The serial monogamy window is longer than shorter but will eventually end. When the window ends and the sexual frequency subsides, the man who has more alpha traits will have an affair because he has alpha traits desirable to women. The woman finds out and usually files for divorce. There are some occasions where she'll stay for some socialization based reason, but that seems to be less common than in the past.

If the man is a typical beta or a better than average beta: The woman will dead bedroom him. He'll get resentful. Things will be bad for him in most cases because he is much less likely to be able to cheat. If the woman has dignity, she'll file for divorce before she cheats but she might emotionally cheat or line things up so that she can monkey branch the second she files for divorce. Some women will have affairs and their men won't find out. I think women are better at concealing affairs. If the man finds out, he might file for divorce. She might file too. The occasional beta will agree to an open relationship or swinging arrangement, but this is less common than outright divorce. Some open relationship/swinger couples eventually divorce.

If the man is a lesser beta: He will look like a soy boy and she will routinely cuck him, often times openly. Many times the man will stay around for this.

 

[Pandora]

Monogamy is simply an investment indicator. Women are very into monogamy because they know that it earns a much higher degree of investment from the man (resources, protection etc). Men are into monogamy because it gives him a higher chance of not accidentally putting his hard-earned resources into raising another man's kid.

It's all very simple stuff. The Woke Agenda tries to make it complicated by inserting gender confusion into it, but it's not confusing at all.

Women are into monogamy? You must not be referring to Western people. No one you know was de virgined by the person they married and is still together. That's real monogamy.

 

[Pandora]

Well Men mentally mature at 25 while women can range from 14-16 so i believe 18 is the average for both genders.



Arab and indian societies still have arranged marriages so that's like 2 billion people right there practising monogamous relationships. A lot of traditional societies simply do not date at all, they meet up and get married. This produces significantly healthier and happier relationships on average. Multiple surveys and studies back this up.




There is an entire world outside of America and the Anglosphere, America has had decades of feminism and sjws eroding traditional values and normalising Degenerate behaviour.

Yes arranged marriages are two people that are forced to be together. This is why it works. They have no choice. The family would literally disown them. It works on coercion. Yes rape also works on coercion. Is that real sex? You have to force people into monogamy for it to work. Ok....

 

[SW15]

Women are into monogamy? You must not be referring to Western people. No one you know was de virgined by the person they married and is still together. That's real monogamy.

In thinking about the married couples in my social circle, the man didn't take the woman's virginity.