I'm giving up on this stuff.

[PrinceBeavis]

ElStud, you joined this site on Mar, 2007 which isn't too long ago. And your quiting already?

I joined the "community" a year and it changed my life completely. Not only I'am more successful with women, but also overall in my life. I'am also a more competent person, and my social life improved drastically.

But don't get the wrong idea. The "Game" does not define my life, it enriches my life. Same with women.


When I first started out on my journey a year ago, I struggled a lot in the beginning. But never once did I think about giving up, I had nothing to lose. Anything is better than reverting back to my afc self.


Your 17...and so am I. Just because your busy doesn't give you an excuse to give up on this.

I'm doing High School+College at the same time for gosh sake. And yes its a pain in the ass, but in the end it will be worth it. I know I will be giving up opportunities with women by doing this. But, women are the not the end goal for me. My future is the most important thing to me.

No need for me to post. Right on.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Mike's giving up on the whole going up to women thing. If anything, the reason why I'm giving up is because I hate this sh*t with a passion. There's simply nothing fun about it and I gots other stuff on my mind than women at the moment. Don't get me wrong guys, I can go up to women sure, but the thing I hate so much is the frigging approaching process. What's fun to me is sh*t like music, acting, video games, all that sh*t is fun to me. But this whole seduction thing, it's not fun to me and it never will be. There's just so many freaking variables guys, that I'm just done messing with this sh*t. This sh*t isn't fun, it's repetitive and boring. Once you get a good idea of how most girls are man, it just isn't fun anymore. It's pointless even trying to go up to most girls, because the majority of them will just do bullsh*t no matter what you do. You could come in there, confident, blah blah blah, all that sh*t and you'll still get blown out among girls. I'm done with this stuff, if a mamacita likes me enough, well she just better come over to me, because I hate dealing with women.

You need to quit bellyaching young brother. You should re-frame approaching women. It's not a sport like skeet shooting, rather it's an eloquent portrayal of your acting skills and repartie with them that women find enthralling. Giving up is prolonging the inevitable. Confront this demon now. Defeat it and move it down on your list of things accomplished.

 

[Jon55]

hes 17

when he gets to college and starts going to parties and drinking and hooking up with cuties, he'll be all set

Yeah, because drinking and going to parties are what it's all about .

 

[Obsidian]

ElStud, judging from Pook's Mill, I believe the Great One has come to roughly the same conclusions as you have. I think you're making progress. Women these days are kinda pointless, if you really think about it.

At least now you won't be putting them on any pedastals or falling over yourself for them!

 

[TheHumanist]

One damn long post

First I want to say I found it very ironic, wasn't there was a sticky thread mocking his posts and give up? Now he is trying to be encouraged to not give up?

I been wondering lately, the type of guys that need the help most from here. I always but especially as of late questioning that if I wanted to become someone who slept with "80-85 women" in 4 years. I feel that the conflict about that the for the idea side is driven more by the wonder that I'm just being scared and suppressed in some AFC matrix thinking than a real desire to find that much women. Currently, I sense that more of my drive on the social front is to be that guy who is looked up by male and female friends to as how cool, funny, and sharp he is with a cute girlfriend than the guy who is always chased by 20 women. Actually it is closer to photo1's former sticky post and list of a DJ than what I been reading lately. I feel that I want to be like that the guy I know whose named is Kilo who had a nice girlfriend and surrounded by people who would jump through hoops to celebrate his birthday and he would do the same. I feel that I want to be like that guy named Howard who have a cute girl and friends that are as close as brothers. Or the guy named Jia who one of the most open and friendliest people I met in my life. But I wonder if this is what I want to be, or is the aim of the player is who I truly want, after all, it is said that all guys want variety? Perhaps they are all chumps who want to keep to their games and their ltr girls at a far too young age, despite the fact many have a drive to accomplish, learn, improve, and better their lives. After all, I'm suppose to be drifting after from my old friends as some says here.


Thinking lately, I think the type of guys that can make use of this site is like the guy who you (Karma) met at that supermarket in "What SoSuave means to me:" thread. The guy who is filled with self-defeatist thought, the doormat behavior "he was raised," and can't even try to bring himself to talk to a girl. I suspect the bootcamp of going up to girls and talking and so on not to bring his skill level to some godly level, but to break the comfortable barrier so that he will never again panic at the thought to talking to a girl. The guys who need sosuave are the guys who have no ability to talk to women at all, lost all ambitions in life, and filled with naive conceptions about girls and love. Those men need sosuave to bring a mindset that pushes them to aim high, a drive to expand the mind, to set a goal, to achieve a dream, to fight to become who they want to be and not they believe who they are.

Currently I work in the admission office of my university, many times I would find myself opening the file and reading. In the thousands of folders each contains what each student showed to represent their life story to be considered to be admitted or not. Looking in their folder I can get a feel of who they are... their desires... their dreams... their hopes... In many of those folders, I sense the thing that this site preaches, to live, to live the life you desire. Sure, some of those students actually didn't, fitting the stereotype who spent too much energy studying rather than enjoying their childhood. However, some essays with its transcripts and accomplishments show a real drive, to be great, to do something worthwhile. In many these essays, they reach this point to understand what is actually valuable only after an experience, an inspiration. It reminds me of me when I was working to on my college essays and trying to put a story to represent me in only two pages.

Yet, **** happens, after that some crap hit me and felt the real pain of oneitis with defeat. Then I stumbled on here. I notice the forum shifts back and forth from positive and negative. Sometimes people posts saying to keep improving and driving and other time it turns to start saying how women are now so corrupted that it is almost impossible that find a girl worthwhile. There something I found from this site that I definitely believe I would probably only have picked it up from here. I understand that marriage should not be a goal, the risks and dangers of it. I understand the value of being a man and taking action rather than the wishy-washy moves of the AFC, the value expecting respect and not fumbling for a crumb. I understand of the importance of recognize sexuality, something that many have become afraid of, I still need to work on that.

However, then there is the other stuff. Avoidance of LTRs in favor for plate spinning until 28, finding most women to be very immature, mindless, and self-centered. That every standard argument made by people are actually a double standard (i.e. RT's posts in "A prime example why even "be a man" falls short in the matrix, people argued that he should been more calm in his reaction and give her a second to see what she going to do, RT says that that argument is BS that is fueled by our fear of rejection in matrix thinking than what was said).

Many of the things said in this forum I seen practiced by many of my friends. It is called growth. Many of the guys who I seen the first time since the end of summer showed change. New experiences taught them new ways to think. Several have taken weight lifting to better their health. Others have change to begin to prioritize what they want more and go after it. Others still began to become worldlier minded in thought. They carry the banner of self-improvement, growth, integrity, and many other qualities. The difference is they haven’t went for the other stuff of their disgust of women (except some conversations of the snobby women who always seem to be found a lot by white blond hair women and seemly wealthy) or other stuff. The other difference is many they also have not went out to sarge or have that many girls, though several are in LTRs. The one guy who has been going for the ONS and etc. by going to parties and after many girls is the guy that many find him very arrogant, argumentative, resentful, temperamental, dramatic, and not doing so well academically.

Now I must ask, can I give up on some of this stuff? Do I really need to spin plates or risk falling to desperation over a single girl? Must I approach 1,000 sets? Can I just follow what my peers have done? Work hard at my dreams, push to better myself, gain experience by exploration, etc. but with more degrees in accepting my sexuality and demanding self-respect (the element of difference I guess if I follow my friends)?

I ask this and I wish to hear answers. I have always thought about this but while some have come around, this area, I have not asked directly. I have not debated this. Some recent posts have been related, but receive few responses. If I’m just plugging myself into the matrix and setting myself to become a chump to be shot the hard way, tell me now and break what I said apart, but I ask this now for I question the necessity.


As for El Stud, perhaps this is the correct path. Could it be possible the reason of his frustration is the possiblity that he needs regular experience of life. The fun of hanging out with the guys, just talking to girls, having fun with some music rather than spending hours cold approaching girls in a store. At least a break perhaps.

 

[Steel131]

There is more to life then women, yes. You shouldn't see it as a chore though. If you like a woman, just do your thing. If you don't, then don't bother. I am brushing up my skills, but I only try and put effort with girls I really like. Other girls I just try to get to know to be friends. I don't try to game them and give them a ego boost. I find most women have an elevated sense of themselves these days...even girls that don't necessarily deserve it.

 

[nismo-4]

I never approach either. I don't believe in having to approach 100's of women and getting knocked back time after time. Its not for everybody but some are good at it and have no problem with getting turned down.

I'm 21 years old from New Orleans.
These are my 21 random thoughts on women.

1. IOI's aren't always accurate. Normally you can do all the right stuff and still get shot down. IOD's, however, are 100% accurate.

2. Other times, if you ask a girl out, you get blown out, and all attraction will end like Milli Vanilli's career. If you don't, you find out that you wouldn't have been blown out. Then you'll be in the friend zone.

3. There are sure-fire ways to LOSE a girl, but NONE TO WIN a girl.

4. Online dating normally gets you sent back out into the field, with tears in your wallet. Probably the same with facebook/myspace.

5. If you dress chapped, women will talk to you. If you dress GQ, women won't approach you.

6. Women are independent nowadays. THEY DON'T NEED A MAN IN THEIR LIFE!

7. Do you remember the times when you used to be able to just straight up ask a woman for a date and get it? And if she told you she had a boyfriend, she meant it? (This was back in the 80's and 90's)

8. Women don't approach you unless you are either rich, a body builder, or famous. Being smart just won't cut it.

9. Go for older women! You'll last longer in conversations and generate more interest. You may also end up banging a married woman!

10. Women love playing games with men's hearts! Treat them like sh*t.

11. If you rely on luck alone which most men do, you have a 1 in 93 chance of getting the girl.

12. If you see a woman that's young and drop dead goregeous, don't ask her out, she's taken, to save some of you some heartache. Unless you have some qualities from statement 8.

13. Women can see through men like glass. Not only that, women get hit on more than men. Women get approached 93 times a day, while 93% of men (AFC's) are LUCKY to even get 3! Some men get even less than that!

14. When a woman starts flirting with you, LJBF HER!!! She's using you as an emotional tampon!

15. Don't ask women for advice on women. :nono:

16. Despite the fact that there are more women than men in this world, they are all looking for Mr. Right, and won't settle for less.

17. Fighting fire with fire (playing the woman's game) is an automatic win for the woman. Try it. I DARE YOU.

18. If you mess up with one woman in the club, you are f**ked for the rest of the night, complete with blue balls.

19. Never try to stop a moving target unless you know the person.

20. You may have to learn how to steal a woman from her boyfriend, or should I say, may as well learn? all of the 9's-10's and higher are taken.

21. FINALLY, Ugly women are the ONLY AND MOST AGGRESSIVE kinds of women that approach. Not only that, those that dance are among the best at it. Also, if a pretty girl approaches you, STRIKE FAST!!!

Thanks a lot to all who have read this and leave feedback.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Now I must ask, can I give up on some of this stuff? Do I really need to spin plates or risk falling to desperation over a single girl? Must I approach 1,000 sets? Can I just follow what my peers have done? Work hard at my dreams, push to better myself, gain experience by exploration, etc. but with more degrees in accepting my sexuality and demanding self-respect (the element of difference I guess if I follow my friends)?

Insight is a trait most people don't long to enhance. Your post keeps you out of that group. There is a very fine line which distinguishes the part of our anatomy which speaks and the part which pisses. Sometimes it's difficult to tell but you understand what to let go by the wayside and that which you internalize in order to grow and become more respectful of your boundaries.

To philosophize about the "why's" and the "what if's" is futile and keeps your attention from those thoughts and actions which truly matter. Though what truly matters is purely subjective of the individual and ONLY something that particular individual would know and understand.

 

[Harmonix]

Lol

This thread discouraged me from approaching women. Im screwed coz theres not much hot chicks in my social circle.

 

[nismo-4]

This thread discouraged me from approaching women. Im screwed coz theres not much hot chicks in my social circle.

I made a post 3 spots above you with that list, you should read it.

 

[Mad Manic]

Another problem is that a lot of us feel that meeting and getting with women should be a natural process that just happens over time without thinking about it. Like you meet a girl and things just click and happen effortlessly. It shouldn't be something done with trickery, advanced psychology, tactics etc. but moreso based on human instincts. A lot of guys I know got girls like that, just naturally, they never forcefully gamed or even made a move. They just both liked eachother, kissed then voila. Or friendship then relationship. I guess that's for another day though.

MM

 

[Mad Manic]

I'm 21 years old from New Orleans.
These are my 21 random thoughts on women.

1. IOI's aren't always accurate. Normally you can do all the right stuff and still get shot down. IOD's, however, are 100% accurate.

2. Other times, if you ask a girl out, you get blown out, and all attraction will end like Milli Vanilli's career. If you don't, you find out that you wouldn't have been blown out. Then you'll be in the friend zone.

3. There are sure-fire ways to LOSE a girl, but NONE TO WIN a girl.

4. Online dating normally gets you sent back out into the field, with tears in your wallet. Probably the same with facebook/myspace.

5. If you dress chapped, women will talk to you. If you dress GQ, women won't approach you.

6. Women are independent nowadays. THEY DON'T NEED A MAN IN THEIR LIFE!

7. Do you remember the times when you used to be able to just straight up ask a woman for a date and get it? And if she told you she had a boyfriend, she meant it? (This was back in the 80's and 90's)

8. Women don't approach you unless you are either rich, a body builder, or famous. Being smart just won't cut it.

9. Go for older women! You'll last longer in conversations and generate more interest. You may also end up banging a married woman!

10. Women love playing games with men's hearts! Treat them like sh*t.

11. If you rely on luck alone which most men do, you have a 1 in 93 chance of getting the girl.

12. If you see a woman that's young and drop dead goregeous, don't ask her out, she's taken, to save some of you some heartache. Unless you have some qualities from statement 8.

13. Women can see through men like glass. Not only that, women get hit on more than men. Women get approached 93 times a day, while 93% of men (AFC's) are LUCKY to even get 3! Some men get even less than that!

14. When a woman starts flirting with you, LJBF HER!!! She's using you as an emotional tampon!

15. Don't ask women for advice on women. :nono:

16. Despite the fact that there are more women than men in this world, they are all looking for Mr. Right, and won't settle for less.

17. Fighting fire with fire (playing the woman's game) is an automatic win for the woman. Try it. I DARE YOU.

18. If you mess up with one woman in the club, you are f**ked for the rest of the night, complete with blue balls.

19. Never try to stop a moving target unless you know the person.

20. You may have to learn how to steal a woman from her boyfriend, or should I say, may as well learn? all of the 9's-10's and higher are taken.

21. FINALLY, Ugly women are the ONLY AND MOST AGGRESSIVE kinds of women that approach. Not only that, those that dance are among the best at it. Also, if a pretty girl approaches you, STRIKE FAST!!!

Thanks a lot to all who have read this and leave feedback.

I'd agree with this. Though I want to become a bodybuilder though.

MM

 

[Pimp101]

I'm 21 years old from New Orleans.
These are my 21 random thoughts on women.

1. IOI's aren't always accurate. Normally you can do all the right stuff and still get shot down. IOD's, however, are 100% accurate.

2. Other times, if you ask a girl out, you get blown out, and all attraction will end like Milli Vanilli's career. If you don't, you find out that you wouldn't have been blown out. Then you'll be in the friend zone.

3. There are sure-fire ways to LOSE a girl, but NONE TO WIN a girl.

4. Online dating normally gets you sent back out into the field, with tears in your wallet. Probably the same with facebook/myspace.

5. If you dress chapped, women will talk to you. If you dress GQ, women won't approach you.

6. Women are independent nowadays. THEY DON'T NEED A MAN IN THEIR LIFE!

7. Do you remember the times when you used to be able to just straight up ask a woman for a date and get it? And if she told you she had a boyfriend, she meant it? (This was back in the 80's and 90's)

8. Women don't approach you unless you are either rich, a body builder, or famous. Being smart just won't cut it.

9. Go for older women! You'll last longer in conversations and generate more interest. You may also end up banging a married woman!

10. Women love playing games with men's hearts! Treat them like sh*t.

11. If you rely on luck alone which most men do, you have a 1 in 93 chance of getting the girl.

12. If you see a woman that's young and drop dead goregeous, don't ask her out, she's taken, to save some of you some heartache. Unless you have some qualities from statement 8.

13. Women can see through men like glass. Not only that, women get hit on more than men. Women get approached 93 times a day, while 93% of men (AFC's) are LUCKY to even get 3! Some men get even less than that!

14. When a woman starts flirting with you, LJBF HER!!! She's using you as an emotional tampon!

15. Don't ask women for advice on women. :nono:

16. Despite the fact that there are more women than men in this world, they are all looking for Mr. Right, and won't settle for less.

17. Fighting fire with fire (playing the woman's game) is an automatic win for the woman. Try it. I DARE YOU.

18. If you mess up with one woman in the club, you are f**ked for the rest of the night, complete with blue balls.

19. Never try to stop a moving target unless you know the person.

20. You may have to learn how to steal a woman from her boyfriend, or should I say, may as well learn? all of the 9's-10's and higher are taken.

21. FINALLY, Ugly women are the ONLY AND MOST AGGRESSIVE kinds of women that approach. Not only that, those that dance are among the best at it. Also, if a pretty girl approaches you, STRIKE FAST!!!

Thanks a lot to all who have read this and leave feedback.

I hope to god this is satire.

 

[nismo-4]

I hope to god this is satire.

Not really. It's based on experience.

Don't get me wrong, it's an opinionated list. Some can be true and some can be false.

Here again, those are some of my random thoughts.

 

[LostAndConfused]

Another problem is that a lot of us feel that meeting and getting with women should be a natural process that just happens over time without thinking about it. Like you meet a girl and things just click and happen effortlessly. It shouldn't be something done with trickery, advanced psychology, tactics etc. but moreso based on human instincts. A lot of guys I know got girls like that, just naturally, they never forcefully gamed or even made a move. They just both liked eachother, kissed then voila. Or friendship then relationship. I guess that's for another day though.

MM

Loved this post MM. I really think thats how it was designed to be. Its really a natural process, and its sad for me to even have to be on this website in the first place, as helpful as it is (I'm really not offending anyone here, just saying that all this advanced understanding should be natural for the human male...and the real problem is that society makes it unnatural.)

Interceptor: I guess I don't get it. I probably never will. Its almost impossible to have those thoughts of self-realization, inner strength and masculinity, when EVERYTHING AROUND YOU SAYS YOU ARENT A MAN FOR YOUR FAILURES WITH WOMEN! :cuss: . You don't know how many times I've wanted to just cut out all my sexuality, all my desires for women (no homo), and just go on with my life pursuing the other things I want. Its even worse for me when ALL my good friends naturally "get it" and I'm the only one sitting there not having stories to tell about the women I've conquered. As I've said before, when every element outside of yourself thinks of you as less of a man, when every element outside of yourself downs you and your self-image, its hard to have confidence. Maybe you haven't been through such adversity. I thank you for the support though, wholeheartedly.

I liked TheHumanists post, I think El Stud should just experience life too. I should as well...but you aren't completely experiencing life when there aren't women in it, are you? Females make up a little less than 50% the population, thats a big deal.

El Stud has been here for a while, he helped me out when I first started posting on this forum (I had been lurking before joining), so this thread means even more to me that one of the first guys to help me is giving up on this stuff. What Obsidian said is good. NO ONE should be putting women on pedestals. But its a double-edged sword. Unless you are a real alpha male who automatically attracts girls, in whatever the hell they do, not giving attention to women will result in women not giving a sh1t about you anyways, unless you become extremely successful (you know what I mean, a celebrity or a really well off man in his career...and at that point you missed out, as I've said before).

no approaches = no püssy Cute, sexy, hot, and attractive women won't just approach you, so you are going to have to give them that initial attention.

Evolution, I'm pretty sure El Stud has enough experience to have a justified original post.

Snowplowman touched on alpha males here, though he didn't mean to. That 1% he mentioned are basically just alpha males who also know methods of seduction. They could pull chicks ANYWAYS as long as they eliminated the AFCness out of themselves.

 

[Mad Manic]

Well you're lucky, I think you're in a social situation where you get to meet a lot of girls in class, parties etc. but don't seem to get them whereas your friends do (to some extent anyway). I go to a science uni that's 75% male and I never really see any of the girls here because they are in different departments altogether. I think there are two problems here, means of meeting women (what your social circle is like, the uni you are at, options you have socially) and the process involved of getting a girl when you're interacting with her. Mine is the first part (just meeting some normally without all the hassle) whereas yours is the last part of the one-on-one if I'm right.

I'll say it now, no matter how good looking/suave/cool/built/funny etc. you are do not do Physics at a science based university. Just do not do it unless you really don't care about getting zero girls ever. At least do something like economics at a normal uni or whatever. BUT NOT THIS, EVER.

MM

 

[LostAndConfused]

I'm only 17 and live in America so I'm not at college/uni. Still in high school.

 

[Mad Manic]

I'm only 17 and live in America so I'm not at college/uni. Still in high school.

Ok, just take my advice anyway. Girls also do not like 'intelligent' guys and whatnot even if you look good/funny/built etc it's always seen as a downer. There's a stigma with it unless you happen to do a science/maths subject and end up in a really cool social circle somehow anyway (rare). If you tell them you do psychology or art or say you're a bartender/DJ you're much better off too. A young girl's life is nearly always partying.

MM

 

[Interceptor]

L and C, you're young , That's why you are talking this way.
You still look to Females to validate your Masculinity, man.AND your own Self Worth.




L and C, I will tell you something that will hurt you, bad.


Thinking that you 'should ' have this or that, when it is dealing with OTHER PEOPLE, WHOM YOU CANNOT CONTROL, will ONLY result in MISERY.

Forever.

hanging your Happpiness and Validation, on others will ultimately lead to FAILURE.

This is one absolute you will have to learn to accept.

What you woudl be experiincing there to a large degree is an increase of EGO and PRIDE, and some Self Esteem for accomplishing a goal (a kiss,sex, a relationship, marriage,)
When you do things to inflate or increase your Ego and Pride, you are building a house of Cards, a castle in the sand.

It is extremley fragile and vulnerable.

Because it can ALL be TAKEN AWAY from YOU!

This is what happens when you seek validation and approval from others, and BASE your ENTIRE PERCEPTION about Life and Relationships on this faulty self defeating notion.






When you thnik that a female owes you her Love, intimacy or pvssy, you might as well forget about everything.


There is no woman on Earth.the ENTIRE Earth that has the POWER to MAKE you HAPPY!


Whatever happiness you feel is directly a result if YOUR thinking, perceoptions and beliefs.

And since she is a human being, WHOM YOU CANNOT CONTROL, if/when she LEAVES.........you will be BACK at Square One.and possibly WORSE off than before.


You must work towards your Goals in life.
Build Self Esteem and confidence. Recognize Your OWN SELF WORTH.
Live by your own standards.
Expect from your SELF, not from others.
When yuo achive your Goals , you build Self Esteem.
The more Self Esteem, the more courage and CONFIDENCE.
And as this goes upward, you no longer use the Ego, and no longer are NEEDY or seek validaton from others.

You are INDEPENDENT.

You are SELF assured.
And these things cannot be TAKEN away from you.




Anything that is inside another's Personal Boundary is OFF LIMITS to you.
You are not entitled to it.
You are not owed it.
You are not 'deserving' of it. Because you cannot decide for ANOTHER that they should think about deserving or not. Only they can reach that conclusion.



All these things are DEPENDENT on the PERSON whom DECIDES if they want to give it to you or NOT.

When you view life and relatioships this way....you will REALIZE that all these wonderful things like loyalty, sincerity, appreciation, love, affection, thoughtfullness etc ARE GIFTS TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!

Gifts.



You have a liot to learn.

But what I am telling you can change your Life.
For the better.
Guaranteed.
Only you need maturity, strength, a strong personal boundary, self esteem, compassion, forgiveness, patience, consideration,tremendous emotional strength and emotional resources, and a strong unbiased Intellect.

So you can relent, and submit to self defeatist thinking, and ACCEPT someone else's realtiy and paradign for yourSELF. Sure.
Take on some loser's mentality, and lack of self esteem. Sure, go ahead and accept that you are a loser, and not worth sh*t. Hey, they're telling you to do it. Listen to them. Your own opinion ain't worth sh*t anyway.
Might as well.

Go on, give up. Accept that youre a loser and all women are b*tches.

Your life will still suck, and you''l end up an embittered ass hole with no friends or women. So good luck.



OR you can use these tools ,and grow, and become a Mature Masculine Man whom is destined for success.

 

[reset]

Learn it, live it.