Mike's giving up on the whole going up to women thing. If anything, the reason why I'm giving up is because I hate this sh*t with a passion. There's simply nothing fun about it and I gots other stuff on my mind than women at the moment. Don't get me wrong guys, I can go up to women sure, but the thing I hate so much is the frigging approaching process. What's fun to me is sh*t like music, acting, video games, all that sh*t is fun to me. But this whole seduction thing, it's not fun to me and it never will be. There's just so many freaking variables guys, that I'm just done messing with this sh*t. This sh*t isn't fun, it's repetitive and boring. Once you get a good idea of how most girls are man, it just isn't fun anymore. It's pointless even trying to go up to most girls, because the majority of them will just do bullsh*t no matter what you do. You could come in there, confident, blah blah blah, all that sh*t and you'll still get blown out among girls. I'm done with this stuff, if a mamacita likes me enough, well she just better come over to me, because I hate dealing with women.
I'm giving up on this stuff.
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You should cuz its stupid.
Going up to random strangers wont work unless you're at a social setting like a club or a party where its the norm..or b. very attractive.
I think that tactic is played and should only be give as advise to guys that piss themselves when in the presence of women.
Yoiu know the Mclovin' types.....
Its a womanly tactic.
Dont approach unless you get signals or you just cant help yourself.
Meet girls through social contacts and networks..
Going up to random strangers wont work unless you're at a social setting like a club or a party where its the norm..or b. very attractive.
I think that tactic is played and should only be give as advise to guys that piss themselves when in the presence of women.
Yoiu know the Mclovin' types.....
Its a womanly tactic.
Dont approach unless you get signals or you just cant help yourself.
Meet girls through social contacts and networks..
nobody said it was easy. but, like you said, its not very everyone. it says ur 17, and if thats true, then you've got plenty of time. I'm, not trying to do the motivational speech, just telling you the facts. You have to be patient, I've always said patience is a virtue. When you get knocked back, you just have to take it with a grain of salt. Eventually, you won't give a fvck. what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Failure brings success, so don't cop out. and don't take this sh!t so seriously, just have fun with it.
lol, i dont even remember the last time i chased a girl. i cant be fuked cause of all the games you have to play just to hook up. im only not a virgin because they approached me first. i too am bored of the games and all.. very silly stuff. if you like someone why play games for... why cant girls just fuking stop playing games. lol.
Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.
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because they're looking for someone that has perserverance. you either have confidence or you dont. Weeds out the weak. I wish it wasn't this way, but it is.
A fun thing to do is turn the tables on them. I went through a phase where I tried to fvck over every girl i got with :yes: I ended up screwing over some really hot ones too. This gave me so much confidence and power, I fckin loved it:rockon: it gave me a lot of self-esteem. ya'll should at least try it. its fun screwing over those wh0re bags
You're 17 man, just do what you do, relax. If you like music and video games then pursue those things. You've got so much time to pursue women its not even funny. Besides, if you "understand" the concepts of this site women will end up being attracted to you. I've dated a couple girls from work that ended up asking me out, and they were really nice girls too. Don't get down though, thats the worst thing that can happen.
Yes women do suck. They're just too sought after and the dynamic is too imbalanced. 50 years ago you could go up to a girl you fancy in class, ask her out and she'd go out with you and be friendly, considerate etc. Now you have to do a million and one things and just hope she doesn't end up humiliating you. You always see a pretty girl with a guy, it's like it's written in stone. 21st century male-female relations suck big time.ElStud said:
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I have never been fond of the cold approach thing. But being able to cold approach is only a small part of being a DJ.
The biggest and most important thing is becoming the type of man that attracts women. These should be women that you see on a regular basis then you make a move on them. Just by simply going to High School and College you are surrounded by cute girls. Those are the girls you should be getting. Not some chick you randomly meet in the market.
The biggest and most important thing is becoming the type of man that attracts women. These should be women that you see on a regular basis then you make a move on them. Just by simply going to High School and College you are surrounded by cute girls. Those are the girls you should be getting. Not some chick you randomly meet in the market.
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If your giving up the game alteast you got the knowledge for the future... Besides your only 17 you got all kinds of sh!t to do before you need a girl.
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i don't really like cold approaches either.
though i'm fairly confident in it and have a good sense of humor, i just don't like the idea of jumping through millions of hoops to entertain some dumb broad and "hope" to take it further.
with my current gf, we were just both real with each other. started off as friends, then took it further. no game playing what so ever.
dumb games are just retarded to me.
i don't really like cold approaches either.
though i'm fairly confident in it and have a good sense of humor, i just don't like the idea of jumping through millions of hoops to entertain some dumb broad and "hope" to take it further.
with my current gf, we were just both real with each other. started off as friends, then took it further. no game playing what so ever.
dumb games are just retarded to me.
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El Stud, don't give up man. Please don't give up. I know its not easy, but keep going. I know how u feel, getting rejected a **** load. Its a horrible feeling. BUT, eventually u'll get that one receptive girl that will give ur motivation a 180 and u'll be pumped up again. The only reason u hate is prolly the lack of success. Really analyze how ur approaching and interacting. See what problems ur making. About being confident and still get blown out, it'll happen sometimes...why quit cuz 1/2 the time a girl won't feel...where in fact the other 1/2 do. But did u consider that deep down u might still not be confident approaching? Also, you don't hate women per se...ur more mad at urself for not being able to seduce them. Maybe try a different way of approaching than u currently are. Its very possible dude, don't let ur past rejections cloud ur judgement. Don't give up like 1/2 those other losers did who couldn't admit they were afraid and hated feeling rejection. You can do this, i believe in you man.
Dude, you can get good at it too. U dont' have to approach that many women if u don't want to. Why be a victim of rejection rather than build a callace for it to where then u'll naturally be more confident and ur rejection rate will reduce.
I have to definitely disagree with this 200%. Going up to random strangers doesn't work? And are you just basing it on ur experiences alone? C'mon dude, seriously...u have no evidence that it doesn't work. Ur giving it up already. If ur not attractive right now, why don't u become attractive? Wear clothes that really match u(good style), start to be more social, work out, etc. Become attractive..you can. All men have the potential to be attractive, use wat u already have and enhance it. And the advise is meant for all guys. Go for the woman u desire. Don't limit urself only to parties or social circles. Be able to go up to a woman u want. Ur rejecting urself before even going over there, how will u know that she doesn't like u? U don't...ur assuming. This is flawed advice ur giving dude.
Exactly. It isn't for everyone, but the people who doubt it...dont' assume it can't be for u. El Stud is also taking it WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Is he approaching girls he truly wants? Its probably only boring and repetitive because girls aren't showing interest. He should truly analyze what he's doing wrong, they're just rejecting the way he approaches.
Its in a girl's nature, sadly. But, a girl can only play games if u allow her to play games. Like if she tries to, just tell her ur not up for that ****. She can accept or reject. Be right to the point with her, and if she doesn't....NEXT HER. Concentrate on other girls who make it easier for u than her.
Yea. turn the tables on them. Girls who do this have are verry insecure and deep down have low self asteem(have to rely on other people for that). Thats why a guy who's confident and bold will see right through it and flip the script.lol.
Women do not suck, its just some of them. Too many guys are making it complicated these days. It relies on confidence. U can still do these things, i fail to see why u can't. Its our fault that we have put them on a pedastal like this, especially the media.
I agree about cold approaching being a small part, but don't talk down on it. C'mon man. "Not some chick you randomly meet at a market" I've found the best women i've really liked were randon ones rather than ones i just met through connections. Its more romantic if its at a random place.
Who said u HAd to jump through hoops? Its ur choice to jump into them, u don't have to accept them. Believe it or not, she'll respect u more. U don't have to entertain a broad like this, ur putting her on a pedastal if u try. Where's ur standards with her? Why aren't u qualifying her? Be who u are, find out about her, have her qualify herself to u. Don't do everything urself.
I'm sorry guys but whoever talks down about cold approaching.....they're just cowards who don't want to admit they're afraid to do it and didn't take the effort and motivation to succeed with it. But for the guys who admit they don't like it, then thats fine...its not for everyone.
I use to be a guy whom didn't think Cold Approaches worked, but guess what...it does. Just learn to do it right by practicing, analyzing what ur doing, see what can be improved, and then bam...u'll get better.
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Even if u get a girl another way, no matter wat u do with her...there are still too many variables. There always is alot of variables. Don't use that excuse for not approaching. C'mon man. Also, most women will NOT go up to you. They're not conditioned to. Don't limit urself.
Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.
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I don't mean to be a pain here, but if you look at the guys who are with girls, it usually rarely has anything to do with 'game'. There are loads of women dating very bland guys, what's important is if you're in these girls' social circles, if not that then at least she percieves you as high value whether real or false, often false. The fact remains that most white women still date within their race and class, even in ethnically diverse areas, moreso proportionately in less diverse areas. Every place is different but at my uni race and class are the first two things that stand out when I look at those in relationships AND I go to one of the most ethnically diverse unis in the world. Social groups are based on race and class as well, so that's why these two details matter when getting women of the majority race/class in a given location.
IMO delving into all of this is a little hardcore for a 17 year old, if I were him I would just take it easy and put his time into a passion of his or find a passion. If you have a passion in life it makes your problems more manageable, even if it's something as important as the opposite sex. When you start analysing couples, making stats regarding race, class etc. it really paints a sad picture. Some things are best left alone.
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IMO delving into all of this is a little hardcore for a 17 year old, if I were him I would just take it easy and put his time into a passion of his or find a passion. If you have a passion in life it makes your problems more manageable, even if it's something as important as the opposite sex. When you start analysing couples, making stats regarding race, class etc. it really paints a sad picture. Some things are best left alone.
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El Stud, you are quitting because you are forcing too much expectation of success, man.
You are too outcome dependent it seems.
Plus, since right now you are still early in your development, and don't have the highest Self Esteem you can possibly have, you are still basing your Self Worth on OTHER people's opinions.
And now your EGO is HURT.
You are stopping this because it is NOT inflating your EGO, man.
people alwasy have negative associations with an activity that DOES NOT inflate their EGO.
So they stop it.
Like approaching.
If you have an ego you want to protect, you are going to avoid situations that may deflate your Ego, and hurt it.
So guys rationalize NOT approaching.
Why?
To protect their Ego.
They don;t, theyrun away.
That way they can never FAIL.
But they can never succeed.
But what is 'success"?
IMHO, 'success' should simply be ENJOYING the interaction with a pretty, and interesting woman.
If she gives more quality and value to the interaction, I will start to want more, and want to continue this interaction with her again.
If not, big deal.
She wan't giving me anything of worth. Why am I going to keep talking and interactiing with her?
THEN it IS a waste of time.
You should concentrate on your Goals in life.
Talk to women for fun. Not as this heavily wieghted scientific experiment that is "quantifiable" in your mind.
You are too outcome dependent it seems.
Plus, since right now you are still early in your development, and don't have the highest Self Esteem you can possibly have, you are still basing your Self Worth on OTHER people's opinions.
And now your EGO is HURT.
You are stopping this because it is NOT inflating your EGO, man.
people alwasy have negative associations with an activity that DOES NOT inflate their EGO.
So they stop it.
Like approaching.
If you have an ego you want to protect, you are going to avoid situations that may deflate your Ego, and hurt it.
So guys rationalize NOT approaching.
Why?
To protect their Ego.
They don;t, theyrun away.
That way they can never FAIL.
But they can never succeed.
But what is 'success"?
IMHO, 'success' should simply be ENJOYING the interaction with a pretty, and interesting woman.
If she gives more quality and value to the interaction, I will start to want more, and want to continue this interaction with her again.
If not, big deal.
She wan't giving me anything of worth. Why am I going to keep talking and interactiing with her?
THEN it IS a waste of time.
You should concentrate on your Goals in life.
Talk to women for fun. Not as this heavily wieghted scientific experiment that is "quantifiable" in your mind.
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wok on making yourself so hot that girls turn their head when you walk by - then you can just approach, say hi, get to know them, and you will succeed
This is BS. For most it's more about pride than ego. Your argument holds more truth if one were to discuss the case where a woman might approach a guy. But for most it's pride; the fear of being humiliated, insulted, woman having the power/options, not wanting to scare her, etc. As for outcome dependancy, everything we do is in order to get a desired outcome. You can't name one thing we do that isn't to get a desired outcome. Even me typing this, the desired outcome is that it is posted, people see it and it influences their mind. It's human nature.Interceptor said:
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LOL.
MM, you have a long way to go.
"Outcome" in my explanation is one's ideal of success.
Misguided perceptions, without the proper tools to get there are a hard road to walk.
Oh, and BTW, as you mature hopefully you will learn how Pride and EGO are connected, and you will eventually not NEED either.
MM, you have a long way to go.
"Outcome" in my explanation is one's ideal of success.
Misguided perceptions, without the proper tools to get there are a hard road to walk.
Oh, and BTW, as you mature hopefully you will learn how Pride and EGO are connected, and you will eventually not NEED either.