I wonder how women feel

[Vanderdonck]

You think these guys here are high value men?

They should be working on it, at least. Nothing is ever static. If they've taken any steps then at some point a woman will go for broke on him.

 

[The Duke]

@jhonny9546

3 Examples of Men Acting Feminine/Not Leading:

1. When a guy asks a girl on a date and has no plan. He lets her decide. It conveys to her that he is not decisive and won't be a good leader. She thinks he won't have her best interest in mind. He also fears accountability.

2. A guy that won't initiate. He is fearful of a negative outcome, typically rejection.

3. A guy that is afraid to get physical with a girl.

4. A guy that is too emotional.

5. He gets facials, his nails done. Does as much self-care as she does.

6. He isn't authentic. He's a people pleaser. Avoids confrontation. Too Sensitive.


All a woman has to do to connect with a man is use her femininity and beauty. Theres not much to it on her end.

A man will know he is connecting with a woman by her open body language. She will also start to give a guy compliments on his character that he displays while sharing stories that show who he is. A womans willingness to agree with what the man is suggesting is also a sign she is connecting and trusting.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

It's a known fact that most women (even mediocre ones) have an endless supply of men chasing them and giving them attention.

I've seen this to be true through the years, even women that I know who are 6s have almost an army of simps after them and hitting them up. Some of these men have higher SMV than them as well.

I often wonder, how do women feel in terms of their experience of the dating?

I wonder because it must be so drastically different to us men and our experience of the dating.

Most of us men have to actively pursue and secure dates, partners, lays and comparatively speaking, we don't have an endless supply of women bombarding us with attention and jumping through hoops for us by default. It's an active exercise for us compared to their passive sit-back experience.

I can anticipate one outcome of it is that they become entitled but do women feel fatigue like us?

For us men, we feel fatigue when the effort we have placed into active dating and the pursuit does not lead to dates or plates that are commensurate. We feel we have expended all this effort on a fruitless chase. Of course we can meet others but it's hard for us to even create a supply of prospects comparative to the ease of women.

What about women? Do they feel the same?

Do they have a better experience than us by comparison? Do they have a better time?

well i like this mindset explanation, men are naturally by default in scarcity with women but women naturally by default are in abundance with men

 

[Gamisch]

I agree with you on this. Never thought about it this way but its true I think when we have an abundance of choice, especially those of us who have experienced having a lot of plates at one point, we don't really value sex as much (at least for me). We don't have that desperation for women. At times you get tired and can't be bothered to even hangout with them sometimes and just want alone time, especially when they are needy and attention seeking. During times of plate abundance, we experience the paradox of choice where we hangout with one girl and we regret and think time would be spent with another and then by the end of it, it turns out none of them really make you truly fulfilled. I assume this is how women feel by default of having an abundance of men.

A man's abundance is there, BUT imo its more stretched out over many years and ONLY if he actively keeps working on improving himself.

But as I said before, there will ALWAYS be balance. The biggest equalizer is the fact that most women go nuts before they hit 30.
ALL women seem to lose most of their braincells between the ages of 27/30. All the "Bad bytches " I've ever known went from bubbly personality to depressed and sometimes straight up suicidal. Like, you wonder where that cute girl went. Still looks good, but her personality takes a dive for the worst.



That's what it's like to be a woman. Going bat shyte when you about to turn 30. Because you got sold dream after dream and got played hundreds of times. The consequences of "dating easy " also means attracting tons of strangers who dgaf about you ( rightfully so)

Uhm, no thanks, I am good being a man.

On the other hand ,the men that do have the same level of abundance as hot women oftentimes ALSO ending up hating the game. Think ball players that say a man should never get married. Think a megastar like Lenny fecking Kravitz who practises celibacy despite having access to tons of women..

Bottom line is that dating without a purpose gets exhausted. A pretty woman will reach that level sooner, whereas an average might never get there. The grass SEEMS greener but its not always the case..

 

[DarwinTaurus]

But as I said before, there will ALWAYS be balance. The biggest equalizer is the fact that most women go nuts before they hit 30.
ALL women seem to lose most of their braincells between the ages of 27/30. All the "Bad bytches " I've ever known went from bubbly personality to depressed and sometimes straight up suicidal. Like, you wonder where that cute girl went. Still looks good, but her personality takes a dive for the worst.

I heard a similar anecdote recently. I made out with a girl recently whom I've known for 10 years. She's 28 now, I'm 47. There was a lot of gossip amongst the local bars of us kissing. A female friend of mine told me that the girl I kissed wanted to have kids and be married by the time she is 30, but it 'wasn't happening for her', which I found out, as she has a great personality, and is absolutely gorgeous.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If abundance is the default state for most women. They will not reflect upon it. It just is.

 

[jhonny9546]

She might drift off and make things difficult from time to time, and when this happens you just have to let her go, and date other women... if she loves you she will come back, then you get to decide if you want her bac

Don't you think that a woman who loves you would leave you for a debate? But when you show her that you have other women in your life, she might be disgusted to come back to you? I understand what you're saying, but some women, who are truly good ones, wont take you back if you show that you're 'doing well' with other women. They may think about cheating and treat you as low value.
Please go deep down here, explain the mechanism!

She will also start to give a guy compliments on his character that he displays while sharing stories that show who he is.

This is so important. Would you mind to expand this?

 

[jhonny9546]

She will also start to give a guy compliments on his character that he displays while sharing stories that show who he is.

This is so important. Would you mind to expand this?

 

[RangerMIke]

Don't you think that a woman who loves you would leave you for a debate? But when you show her that you have other women in your life, she might be disgusted to come back to you? I understand what you're saying, but some women, who are truly good ones, wont take you back if you show that you're 'doing well' with other women. They may think about cheating and treat you as low value.
Please go deep down here, explain the mechanism!

I understand your point. But what works for me is when a woman is making things difficult, getting into arguments over insignificant things, I take that as a sign she has lost interest (for whatever reason, it really doesn't matter).... and since I can't control how she 'feels' and just move on. I just figure she's already gone, and I forget about her. You move on and date other women because it's over, and the man has to go on with life. I am familiar with a lot of PUA/relationship coaches who teach this as some kind of method to get a woman back, and while I admit that it occasionally DOES work out that way, it's always temporary and never lasts... which is fine for someone like me that really isn't interested in any long-term relationship on an emotional roller coaster.

You know you have a good one who isn't complaining all the time, b1tching about little things, happy to take what you can give her and reciprocates. If a woman is willing to leave you for a 'debate', she doesn't really love you.... so she isn't worth busting your @ss to keep her around. The man has to decide if what she isn't happy about is really a problem, and every man has a different threshold for BS, mine is pretty low, but in my opinion not unreasonable.... because it's me. I know plenty of men that but up with stuff from their wives and girlfriends I wouldn't tolerate... and that works for them... I do not judge.

I learned a long time ago that you cannot control a woman. She is going to do what she is going to do, and the man just has to decide if it is worth putting up with.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I disagree. men will have a lot of sex with a lot of women IF THEY COULD. Woman on average do not do this. it's biological. for every woman who has slept with a hundred men, there is a man who has slept with a thousand women.

Men and women act differently. the average woman can go out and get laid by dozens of men every day of the week if she wants, but she doesn't. the average man can't do this. However, if he could he WOULD. woman want that single High value man.. she might monkey branch but that's to replace one man, with another higher value man. Men just want to F even if the girl is plain (or even ugly).

in a world where women don't discriminate men. in a world where women are as horney as men, there would be a lot more sex happening. in the gay community where there isn't a biological imperative to be "picky", there is so much more sex happening. SooooooooOoo if women were as horney as men, there would be a lot more heterosexual sex period.

even when men are in committed relationship, men still want to have sex with other women - mistress, cheating, etc.. I'm not saying women don't think about cheating. but they think about it less often... HOWEVER, when they do think about it, there's a higher chance women can make it happen.

This is why so many men who think it's a great idea to have an "open relationship" when their partner is against it but finally convince them to do it are shocked when it backfires and she is getting tons of guys going after her and he has nothing.

Then of course he wants to close it back up and she wants nothing to do with that because she is riding the c0ck carousel with better looking guys than him who are likely better in the bedroom as well.

 

[Slowhandluke]

This is why so many men who think it's a great idea to have an "open relationship" when their partner is against it but finally convince them to do it are shocked when it backfires and she is getting tons of guys going after her and he has nothing.

Unless it's a high value man... To be honest, I think most average men know that it's a bad idea to have an "open relationship".. Average men have been rejected so many times, they understand the "score". If the man is average, only the really stupid.. or brainwashed men would agree to an open relationship.

 

[DJ Novice]

The experience of most average women with dating is like being in a swamp looking for a piece of dry land. They suffer the paradox of choice.

The experience of most average men with dating is like being in a desert looking for an oasis. They suffer from a scarcity mentality.

While being a woman in the dating market sounds great imagine being hit on by women rated less than 5 constantly on a daily basis. It would get annoying after a while. But unlike men women crave attention even from unattractive guys to feed their ego.

 

[Slowhandluke]

While being a woman in the dating market sounds great imagine being hit on by women rated less than 5 constantly on a daily basis. It would get annoying after a while.

Are we sure about this? Most women don't know they are being hit on. It's like "pretty privilege"... most women don't know they have it until its gone. They just think a lot of guys are just being friendly. It's like five guys trying to get into a girls pants, but she thinks they are just being nice to her, "for the most part".

However, in our current society, feminist are telling women that they are getting hit on when men just talk to them. Feminist also tell women "its a bad thing". SooOOoo some women will just complain when a man just looks at her because of this brain washing. But left to her natural state, she would most likely be obviously to the flirting for the most part.

But unlike men women crave attention even from unattractive guys to feed their ego.

The more men she has checking her out, the more "protection" she is able to garner. The more men she is able to "raise" to help protector her if something happens.