I noticed there has been a banning carnage here

[Maximus Rex]

What Took So Long?

No coincidence that they were ALL WHITE guys with families and opinions contrary to the local anti-white/LGBT brigade?

Let's keep it 100. The primary purpose of this site is to give dudes the tools needed to become more attractive to women. However, it seems to me that it was perfectly acceptable to you that guys in here spewing racist, segregationist, white supremacist rhetoric ad nauseam. The statement you made in itself leads me to believe that you're in agreement with that bullsh*t.

What Stagger Lee, speed dawg, and ( . ) ( . ), was saying on daily basis was no more acceptable than if I was to come on the forum talking some Black Israelite propaganda which basically says that white people are a gutter race that deserves to be enslaved and/or exterminated. The question isn't why those guys where banned, but rather, why did it take so long?

I don't think any explanantion is due. Members were creating thread after thread, arguing about the same exact thing but with a different core topic and throwing harassing comments to and fro. Warnings were issued. Some members received permanent suspensions, others did not.

If you ask me the sh*t should have been permanent, but hey, I don't own the board.

I can't speak for the other members, but I pushed for tits being banned because he no longer offered anything but poison to the forums.

Some of those users were banned because they almost exclusively posted in Everything Else for their recent history, and ONLY posted political threads/comments.

Again, this goes back to what I was saying about PlayHer Man. PHM got banned because the powers at be felt that tone of his message was unduly harsh, even though the sh*t he was talking was game related.

However, the white supremacists that were on the board were treating the Anything Else forum as if were Stormfront Lite, often creating two or three threads a day, (and responding to posts,) mainly about black people and sometimes other minority groups. These dudes had nothing to say about getting women and/or self improvement. It also needs to be noted that these dudes would often interject race (with black people often being the perpetual subject of their vitriol,) into topics where race wasn't even being discussed.

There's nothing wrong with genuine political discourse, as a matter of fact it should be encouraged, however can you honestly say that Stagger Lee, speed dawg, and especially ( . ) ( . ) (with his incessant ramblings of sh!ttard libs and constantly referrals of Jaylan as "Gaylan," on top of his mangling of the English language, which he was under the disillusion of it being satirical wit,) were interested discussing politics or current events? No, they weren't. They were only interested in permeating this bullsh*t school of thought that conservative, white males are somehow oppressed in a world that they still overwhelmingly control.

Now watch as an amazing thing happens, since those dudes are no longer on the forum, there's going to be a precipitous drop in the number of racially motivated and inflammatory threads or posts on So Suave, and that can only be a good thing.

 

[backseatjuan]

Well then, I have to say this here. There are s**tlibs. Yes, in Russia too. S**tlibs persue different agendandas in different countries. In United States they want homo marriage and whatever. In Russia these s**tlibs want separation from state, Siberia, Cherkesia, etc. Basically s**tlibs are brain washed "yappies" controlled by the United States shadow government. They do different s**t in different countries to benefit the hidden new world order agenda.

Unban the men you banned, I enjoed my conversation with them, even though at times I was disgusted with their "fan boy" mentality of certain ideas.


Ban me, unban them, if that would make it easier!

 

[Maximus Rex]

Possible Moderator Criteria

And now add LiveFree to that list, another poster that's been here a long time (since 2010).

I don't like this way of moderating, I do not. I think I might as well start contributing here less often and put more of my content on my blog. I think they are already starting to delete some of my posts so....

How were the banned members contributing to the Game?

Ah well. This is what happens when you have 17, 19 and 22 year old "moderators".

Also I agree with Social Leper's point about the age of some Moderators. Nothing against my boy Ruler, but he's freaking 17 and he hasn't even lived life yet lol. Ruler makes great posts for just being 17 though, but I'm just saying, a Moderator should at least be the required age to post in the Mature Man section (25).

What does age have to do with person's ability to moderate a message board that primary purpose is to give men the advice and tools needed to be able to attract women and bed them? If a cat is 17, 20, 21, or 22 years old and he has incontrovertible proof that's he's f*cked 25 plus women, then that's somebody I'm trying to hear from.

Y'all to have seem to have forgotten that So Suave is a PUA site, and again, let's keep it 100 hundred, we're all here trying to improve our skills as it pertains to picking up women). The moderating crew should be a reflection of the site's primary purpose.

I don't like Roosh's board, but I have to say one thing about it, the guys on there that have 4 and 5 stars, have proof of their travels and in field success, (as a matter of fact, for the brief time that I was on there, I remember reading about a dude who was banned for lying about sh*t.)

I feel that one of the criteria for being a moderator on this board is that a guy should have to be able to prove that not only has he put in the work, but that he's also f*cking women on a constant basis; in addition to having 25 lays under his belt.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Some of those users were banned because they almost exclusively posted in Everything Else for their recent history, and ONLY posted political threads/comments.

If that is indeed the reason for the recent bans, it would have been helpful to have an actual rule that prohibits "almost exclusively posting" in Anything Else. As of right now, that is nowhere to be found in the Forum Rules sticky.

On a side note, trying to ban or limit political discussion on this forum is a futile exercise. Interactions between men and women, including dating and sex, are very much influenced by politics and it is something that you simply cannot get around. It's like having a forum about cars and telling users that they're not allowed talk about gas prices. Political awareness is an inherent part of the self-improvement process.

 

[Vice]

And let's be realistic here, what it would appear you support Vice is the ability of the SJW's to attack the personal lives of posters who have not drank the blue-pill Kool-Aid. The "anti-SJW's as you call them do not engage in such behavior.

Why would you lament anonymity unless you wanted to engage in occupational terrorism for crime-think? That is the realm of silence and subjugate, not reason and debate. Only one of those paths leads to greatness.

Stop putting the term "SJW", "blue pill", "red pill" and I together in any kind of fashion. You've been spending way too much time on the manosphere if you draw the conclusion that I'm into any of that by essentially saying that we should "act as if" we were in a cigar lounge in person, and communicate accordingly. If you can't logically express an idea, counterargument, or concept without being a supreme douchebag and throwing a fit when someone presents an idea that you don't agree with, no one is going to want to interact with you.

Let's keep it 100. The primary purpose of this site is to give dudes the tools needed to become more attractive to women. However, it seems to me that it was perfectly acceptable to you that guys in here spewing racist, segregationist, white supremacist rhetoric ad nauseam. The statement you made in itself leads me to believe that you're in agreement with that bullsh*t.

What Stagger Lee, speed dawg, and ( . ) ( . ), was saying on daily basis was no more acceptable than if I was to come on the forum talking some Black Israelite propaganda which basically says that white people are a gutter race that deserves to be enslaved and/or exterminated. The question isn't why those guys where banned, but rather, why did it take so long?

This is essentially why they were banned. I frankly only care about what a poster can post that will help myself and others be successful with women. Keep the politics to yourself; there are other places to discuss those ideas.

Again, this goes back to what I was saying about PlayHer Man. PHM got banned because the powers at be felt that tone of his message was unduly harsh, even though the sh*t he was talking was game related.

However, the white supremacists that were on the board were treating the Anything Else forum as if were Stormfront Lite, often creating two or three threads a day, (and responding to posts,) mainly about black people and sometimes other minority groups. These dudes had nothing to say about getting women and/or self improvement. It also needs to be noted that these dudes would often interject race (with black people often being the perpetual subject of their vitriol,) into topics where race wasn't even being discussed.

There's nothing wrong with genuine political discourse, as a matter of fact it should be encouraged, however can you honestly say that Stagger Lee, speed dawg, and especially ( . ) ( . ) (with his incessant ramblings of sh!ttard libs and constantly referrals of Jaylan as "Gaylan," on top of his mangling of the English language, which he was under the disillusion of it being satirical wit,) were interested discussing politics or current events? No, they weren't. They were only interested in permeating this bullsh*t school of thought that conservative, white males are somehow oppressed in a world that they still overwhelmingly control.

Now watch as an amazing thing happens, since those dudes are no longer on the forum, there's going to be a precipitous drop in the number of racially motivated and inflammatory threads or posts on So Suave, and that can only be a good thing.

PHM helped me out a great deal with showing me how to tweak my online dating profiles and he was one of the few that I didn't agree with banning.

We have removed some of the cancer on this board. Try posting their threads on the RSD Nation forums and watch what happens.

If other members have an issue with SoSuave no longer being a place for them to be dark little snots, they are more than welcome to go somewhere else.

 

[Tenacity]

.............Y'all to have seem to have forgotten that So Suave is a PUA site, and again, let's keep it 100 hundred, we're all here trying to improve our skills as it pertains to picking up women). The moderating crew should be a reflection of the site's primary purpose.

I'm sorry, maybe I read the DJ Bible wrong, but I thought this was a DON JUAN SITE not a PUA Site? I thought PUA was all about getting women into bed, but Don Juans were all about being a quality, total, well-rounded man? That is, not to just discuss how to fvck women fast, but also discuss:

- Getting your finances in order
- Getting your health and fitness in order
- Getting better clothing styles
- Getting a new car and nice place
- Getting a good career and social proof
- And becoming aware of what's going on in society (politics, social, cultural)

If this site is based on the Don Juan focus, then everything those men discussed were relevant as it was in relation to political, social and cultural commentary. If you think that the changing political and social structure of our country does not DIRECTLY affect our dealings with women, then you are sadly mistaken.

Now, if this site is all about PUA, then PUA is ONLY concerned with getting women into bed and getting them into bed as fast as possible. So then in that case, no, these types of discussions on politics or social commentary would not be relevant.

 

[Maximus Rex]

25 lays......now is that different women?

Of course it's 25 different women.

Because I don't believe many guys here have laid 25 different women.

And that's the underlying problem with the site, not enough dudes getting out there and implementing the things that they've learned on here in the field.

If that is indeed the reason for the recent bans, it would have been helpful to have an actual rule that prohibits "almost exclusively posting" in Anything Else. As of right now, that is nowhere to be found in the Forum Rules sticky.

Dude, don't be a dumb ass. You know as well as I do why those dudes where banned. Is it weird to be on a site that's dedicated to teaching men how to be better with women and yet post nothing about the topic? Yeah, it is. However, it's even stranger to be race obsessed on the same forum.

On a side note, trying to ban or limit political discussion on this forum is a futile exercise.

What those dudes posting on a daily basis wasn't political discussion, it was racist propaganda that is more inline with the school of thought floating around the South pre segregation.

Like I said before, what the banned was as out line if I were to post daily the things the Black Israelites say about white people on a daily basis.

if you draw the conclusion that I'm into any of that by essentially saying that we should "act as if" we were in a cigar lounge in person, and communicate accordingly. If you can't logically express an idea, counterargument, or concept without being a supreme douchebag and throwing a fit when someone presents an idea that you don't agree with, no one is going to want to interact with you.

Being somebody that actually frequents the few remaining tobacconists in NYC, I would gather to reason if any of the dudes that were banned were to spew that white supremacist bullsh*t in any of the B&M cigar shops that I frequent, they would be asked to leave or maybe even challenged to a fight.

I'm sorry, maybe I read the DJ Bible wrong, but I thought this was a DON JUAN SITE not a PUA Site? I thought PUA was all about getting women into bed, but Don Juans were all about being a quality, total, well-rounded man? That is, not to just discuss how to fvck women fast, but also discuss:

- Getting your finances in order
- Getting your health and fitness in order
- Getting better clothing styles
- Getting a new car and nice place
- Getting a good career and social proof
- And becoming aware of what's going on in society (politics, social, cultural)

If this site is based on the Don Juan focus, then everything those men discussed were relevant as it was in relation to political, social and cultural commentary. If you think that the changing political and social structure of our country does not DIRECTLY affect our dealings with women, then you are sadly mistaken.

Now, if this site is all about PUA, then PUA is ONLY concerned with getting women into bed and getting them into bed as fast as possible. So then in that case, no, these types of discussions on politics or social commentary would not be relevant.

The difference between "don juan," and a "pick up artist," is the same difference between the American and National leagues. If you've read The Game, The Mystery Method or have watched RSD YouTube videos, they actually cover the very same topics that you've mentioned. As a matter of fact, the RSD YouTube videos not only have much more, but better content on said topics than So Suave ever will, (at least as the site is currently constructed.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

If that is indeed the reason for the recent bans, it would have been helpful to have an actual rule that prohibits "almost exclusively posting" in Anything Else. As of right now, that is nowhere to be found in the Forum Rules sticky.

On a side note, trying to ban or limit political discussion on this forum is a futile exercise. Interactions between men and women, including dating and sex, are very much influenced by politics and it is something that you simply cannot get around. It's like having a forum about cars and telling users that they're not allowed talk about gas prices. Political awareness is an inherent part of the self-improvement process.

Other than the type of women that they date, men's political/religious beliefs are a reflection of their perceived place in the world; a "mirror to their soul." Understand a man's convictions and you can understand the man, his psyche, the foundation for which he stands. Many times, the way that he supports his beliefs depicts his character too.

On another side note; anyone remember Last Man Standing?

 

[Bokanovsky]

Dude, don't be a dumb ass. You know as well as I do why those dudes where banned. Is it weird to be on a site that's dedicated to teaching men how to be better with women and yet post nothing about the topic? Yeah, it is. However, it's even stranger to be race obsessed on the same forum.

I am assuming that they "where banned" because some mods disagreed with their political views. I doubt that they were banned for breaking forum rules, because I can point out any number of posters who routinely get away with breaking rules (such as you violating the no insults rule by calling me a dumbass).

 

[SamTheHobit]

You guys should stop blaming the mods. The site owner wanted these particular users banned for his own agenda.

Lets be realistic these mods don't get paid to do this, but they do get a power trip so that's about the only thing they deserve to be shamed for.

 

[SamTheHobit]

This is the last time I'm posting on this thread. Let me make this very clear.

Members political views were not taken into account at all. Allen was hardly involved in the discussion and was not the one who banned them. The only reason for the ban was because of the horrific amount of hate spewed across AE. Simple. You're all overthinking this and wanting to blame the wrong people. You can't blame anyone but the members who decided to ignore multiple warnings. And if you can't deal with that you really need to reconsider your priorities in life.

I can't deal with it ruler.. I just can't! :'(((

 

[Vice]

What a retarded point to justify banning members. 99% of the posts in the discussions forum would not "fly in social settings".

Ah well. This is what happens when you have 17, 19 and 22 year old "moderators".

FWIW I had all those banned members, bar t1ts, on my ignore list.

Those weren't the only reasons why they were banned.

A moderator's age is irrelevant; since this forum is about dating success, it is entirely possible that a 17, 19, and 22 year old can have more dating/sexual experience than older members.

You specifically stated that "anti-sjw's are becoming as vile as the sjw's they hate". You also specifically lamented anonymity on the web as it produces people who would not say those things in real life.

Since we know it is only the sjw's who attack people for "not having the balls to use their real name" and it is those same sjw's who use that information to engage in occupational terrorism then it was a very easy logical thought process to point out the forgone conclusion of your statements and who would benefit the most from them (the sjw's).

Your conclusion regarding what I support is wrong. I'll say it once and we're dropping it: I do not support SJW's and their tactics of occupational terrorism. End of story.

And I wasn't calling you a douchebag specifically, I was talking about any user that acts like a douchebag. You're not acting like a douchebag at all.

This is the last time I'm posting on this thread. Let me make this very clear.

Members political views were not taken into account at all. Allen was hardly involved in the discussion and was not the one who banned them. The only reason for the ban was because of the horrific amount of hate spewed across AE. Simple. You're all overthinking this and wanting to blame the wrong people. You can't blame anyone but the members who decided to ignore multiple warnings. And if you can't deal with that you really need to reconsider your priorities in life.

^this.

 

[Vice]

And I would say any 17 year old giving advice to grown men on how to get laid is probably a massive keyboard jockey. That's the problem. I have no interest in moderating, however I think the selection of mods is interesting to put it mildly, based on what was said above.

That's an unfortunate way to think; there is plenty an older guy can learn from a successful 17 year old. It also goes the other way around.

Granted online it's more likely a KJ, but I've met some 17 year olds who are absolute naturals with girls, and I've learned from them.

 

[Tenacity]

I'm in BOLD

Dude, don't be a dumb ass.....

Be careful, this can be considered hate speech.

What those dudes posting on a daily basis wasn't political discussion, it was racist propaganda that is more inline with the school of thought floating around the South pre segregation.

Based on what standards and what measuring stick? I didn't see any of those posters say they hate black people because they are black, they called out irresponsible and stupid behavior of people who were in the National, State or Local News. That's social commentary, what is wrong with that?


The difference between "don juan," and a "pick up artist," is the same difference between the American and National leagues. If you've read The Game, The Mystery Method or have watched RSD YouTube videos, they actually cover the very same topics that you've mentioned. As a matter of fact, the RSD YouTube videos not only have much more, but better content on said topics than So Suave ever will, (at least as the site is currently constructed.

You are actually wrong. It's been pointed out in the DJ Bible and all across this site that a DJ and a PUA are not the same thing. A PUA is only focused on how many women he can bed, a Don Juan is focused on bedding women but also is focused on becoming a total well-rounded GOOD MAN. It's why when a DJ is having some issues, the Forum tells him to take time away from women to work on himself. A DJ is focused on continued self-improvement, a PUA is focused only on getting a.ss as quickly, cheaply, etc. as he can get it which might include selling his soul for it.

Ruler

This is the last time I'm posting on this thread. Let me make this very clear.

Members political views were not taken into account at all. Allen was hardly involved in the discussion and was not the one who banned them. The only reason for the ban was because of the horrific amount of hate spewed across AE. Simple. You're all overthinking this and wanting to blame the wrong people. You can't blame anyone but the members who decided to ignore multiple warnings. And if you can't deal with that you really need to reconsider your priorities in life.

I ask you the same question, what is the measuring stick used to determine hate speech? I didn't see any hate speech, I seen those guys calling out irresponsible behaviorial choices.

 

[Tenacity]

That's an unfortunate way to think; there is plenty an older guy can learn from a successful 17 year old. It also goes the other way around.

Granted online it's more likely a KJ, but I've met some 17 year olds who are absolute naturals with girls, and I've learned from them.

Vice,

I totally agree with Social Leper, think about it, a 17 year old mostly has only dated little girls under the age of 20. Basically teeny boopers. He hasn't even experienced life yet and most likely isn't even LIVING ON HIS OWN yet.

So my guy ZTIME who is middle-aged and a successful business guy, who is having issues with the chick he chose, is going to get advice from Ruler who has not had success yet and mostly has dated teeny boopers?

This is NO disrespect to Ruler, I like Ruler, but I think we need to keep things in perspective. For example, I have no business giving "advice" on business to Donald Trump. Yes, I'm pretty good at business with a proven track record, but I'm not a Millionaire yet and I'm surely not a damn Billionaire, so WHAT am I doing giving Donald Trump advice on anything?

 

[Bokanovsky]

A moderator's age is irrelevant; since this forum is about dating success, it is entirely possible that a 17, 19, and 22 year old can have more dating/sexual experience than older members.

If age is irrelevant, why are you required to be 25 to post in the Mature Man forum??

 

[Vice]

Vice,

I totally agree with Social Leper, think about it, a 17 year old mostly has only dated little girls under the age of 20. Basically teeny boopers. He hasn't even experienced life yet and most likely isn't even LIVING ON HIS OWN yet.

So my guy ZTIME who is middle-aged and a successful business guy, who is having issues with the chick he chose, is going to get advice from Ruler who has not had success yet and mostly has dated teeny boopers?

This is NO disrespect to Ruler, I like Ruler, but I think we need to keep things in perspective. For example, I have no business giving "advice" on business to Donald Trump. Yes, I'm pretty good at business with a proven track record, but I'm not a Millionaire yet and I'm surely not a damn Billionaire, so WHAT am I doing giving Donald Trump advice on anything?

I've personally learned things from teenagers, that's why I'm advocating for this. It wasn't even a direct lesson from them; it was something I learned from observing them. Keep in mind that they were extremely popular jocks that had girls thrown at them. Some were able to articulate things to me that I paid attention to. I'm not going to be able to learn much from him in the way of life experience, but when I got back to college I asked the jocks a few things about girls and was pleasantly surprised at what worked with younger girls. Does that make sense? It's a very specific experience, but it's from a younger guy. It's not like I'm asking him for business advice.

Success in business and success with women do not necessarily correlate. Neither does middle age. I've seen PLENTY of middle aged guys who are total AFCs and can only offer bitter advice on women that only indicates they weren't successful.

 

[Desdinova]

Other than the type of women that they date, men's political/religious beliefs are a reflection of their perceived place in the world; a "mirror to their soul."

My biggest problem with all of the racial discussions that were going on was that these issues are only relevant to a specific region in the world. Those posts may be relevant to the members who live in that part of the world, but are not relevant to people who live in other areas of this planet, myself being included. There was absolutely no way I could relate to anything being discussed because none of it is an issue in my country.

This message forum isn't limited to those who live in the United States, it's open to those who live in Canada, the UK, China, Australia, and any location that has internet access. Many of the posts being made came across as hateful racism to people who live in other parts of the world.

The issues you're dealing with in your country are likely non-existent in other countries. They have their own set of problems.

The bans were put in place, not because the posters were of a specific race nor because of their political views. They were put in place because, after repeated warnings, they continued to offend people who cannot relate to their country's issues.

Your country's problems shouldn't interfere with people who want advice on how to get laid. That's the bottom line.

If you enjoy over-analyzing how the bans were related to race and/or political views, then have fun wasting your time.

 

[Bokanovsky]

My biggest problem with all of the racial discussions that were going on was that these issues are only relevant to a specific region in the world. Those posts may be relevant to the members who live in that part of the world, but are not relevant to people who live in other areas of this planet, myself being included. There was absolutely no way I could relate to anything being discussed because none of it is an issue in my country.

This message forum isn't limited to those who live in the United States, it's open to those who live in Canada, the UK, China, Australia, and any location that has internet access. Many of the posts being made came across as hateful racism to people who live in other parts of the world.

The issues you're dealing with in your country are likely non-existent in other countries. They have their own set of problems.

The bans were put in place, not because the posters were of a specific race nor because of their political views. They were put in place because, after repeated warnings, they continued to offend people who cannot relate to their country's issues.

Your country's problems shouldn't interfere with people who want advice on how to get laid. That's the bottom line.

If you enjoy over-analyzing how the bans were related to race and/or political views, then have fun wasting your time.

Please don't take it the wrong way. I've read your posts and you come across as a perfectly sensible, intelligent guy. But what you wrote above, I just don't understand. How can you be so tremendously offended by something - anything - that is posted on an anonymous online discussion board? Surely people have better things to do than cry because some guy with a pair of ascii tits for a username hurt their feeling on the internet?

 

[Rubirosa]

If the mods are going to flex their muscles on this forum, then please enforce the age requirement in the Mature Man section...I had some nice posts deleted from there when I first joined because I didn't state my age ....It seems that enforcement has become lax on this issue........