I just realized something about being "incel."

[Epicwinguy]

@corrector There's no hell, there's no heaven. They're not actual places you may end up in after death. They're metaphorical expressions for being at a good or bad place in life emotionally speaking. If you make bad choices you'll get the consequences later, which may feel like hell. If you make good choices you'll get the consequences of that, which may feel like heaven. When you're dead there's just nothing, just like before you were born.

I hate seeing how religion scares the sh!t out of people and preventing humanity to be fully human.

uh oh you must be possessed cuz you're anti god

 

[corrector]

Grewd confirms the point exactly. You can't logically be a Christian, a true Christian, and practice fornication (i.e. including in thought and in heart if not in deed) at the same time and would have to choose one or the other. I'm beginning to come to terms that I can't have my cake and eat it to if I'm professing to be a Christian.

Now, for any Christian to practice this sin, they would have to believe either God doesn't care about that "pet sin", they will not really lose any rewards or they will not lose their salvation and go to hell, or are waiting for some magic moment when God delivers them out of the weakness and thus desire to commit that type of sin and pray this happens before they die. I don't find anywhere in the Bible where fornication is discussed "lightly", it's always met with "shall not inherit the kingdom of God". It did say to avoid fornication it's a good idea to marry, but, at a heart level, I have found that the aspect of fornication that is appealing is variety and one woman wouldn't cut it for that type of issue.

In my own experience I feel tormented in my mind everytime I masturbate. It's like something doesn't feel right about it and I have this pensive and sad sort of demeanor that comes on me afterwards as thought I did something wrong and am worried. This is not something I feel I can live with without taking "something" (i.e. like Tylenol) in order to manage some of these feelings. Now I recently masturbated just a few times. Twice to images of adult classifieds and once to just face pics (i.e. hijab women, fully covered no clothes). The face pics caused the biggest torment since it too perverse and I actually met a fully covered Muslim lady client just afterwards and felt awkward I did that. To me all that sounds a bit demonic and it's time to cut bait with this.

 

[Serenity]

@corrector What the fvck is going on with your mind? It just sounds twisted and all sorts of fvcked up the way you're describing your experience.

Fvck being religious, it's destructive. I cannot understand how some people choose to completely fvck up their ONE life on such paranoia.

 

[corrector]

@corrector What the fvck is going on with your mind? It just sounds twisted and all sorts of fvcked up the way you're describing your experience.

Fvck being religious, it's destructive. I cannot understand how some people choose to completely fvck up their ONE life on such paranoia.

The dark side of the force is strong with this one. I read this post and ended up looking at hardcore porn, then escort images and fapping and no after-affects have occurred so far.

The reason is because escort pics on backpage if it's tied to a possible tramautic memory (i.e. whatever happened in December, 2014), may have that "feeling", however, if you look at hardcore before looking at it, then it's not tied to memory, but other people appearing to have a good-time with each other and it shorts it out.

I'm still motivated not to look at porn or masturbate because I do not believe that this is healthy out of balance, and I think I'll be better off without this being in my life despite any beliefs about going to hell if I look at this type of thing. In fact, these beliefs make it more taboo since they make it more wrong, and as we know, "wrong" is more appealing because it makes it naughty or fun. In contrast, people who don't think this is wrong will probably just move-on because they don't care about it as it has no appeal to them, and in fact, probably boring. After all, who wants a substitution for the real thing when they can get the real thing (i.e. not talking about paying for it), or become a PUA/DJ to get it?

 

[IBreatheSpears]

A mental institution might be more your speed, buddy

Is that how you talk to people irl when they expose vulnerability? if so maybe you can't get laid is because you're a jerk, and not the "badboy" ******* kind of jerk, just one of those awkward possibly-autistic ones

 

[Serenity]

@corrector I regard that response as a bit more rational. What's wrong about (some) porn isn't a judgemental a$$hole in heaven sending you to hell. What's wrong about (some) porn in my opinion is that those in it doesn't actually enjoy it. Some do enjoy it though.

I remember watching a documentary about what it is after porn. Some of them didn't like it much and wouldn't go back. Some of them did like getting paid for sex a lot. I remember especially one porn actor who had a very high IQ, it's no joke because she was a member of Mensa. She even claimed she used the porn industry more than they used her, because they were paying her for something she would probably do for free because she liked it.

I'm not a heavy masturbator myself, obviously because I just fvck my girlfriend. I once was masturbating daily, but I stopped. I did that because it killed my motivation to get the real thing. After I stopped I denied myself to fap and forced myself to not cause myself an orgasm without a woman. I gave myself no other choice and sure enough I find a woman to fvck within a reasonably short time.

I never had the religious shame though since I'm an atheist and regard religions as created by man. I might end up doing some things that any one particular religion agrees with, but I'm not bound to it. Atheism to me is freedom of personal choice where I'm responsible for my choices, not an imaginary friend.

Anyways, your last point is very true. Who wants the substitute if they can get the real thing? Who wants to follow a book if they can have freedom of choice?

 

[Epicwinguy]

Is that how you talk to people irl when they expose vulnerability? if so maybe you can't get laid is because you're a jerk, and not the "badboy" ******* kind of jerk, just one of those awkward possibly-autistic ones

He is preaching his abrahamic ******* god and against the goals of many here. Its what he gets

 

[corrector]

Grewd,

The Bible need not just be that God is an unforgiving angry God, but He sent Jesus to die for all of our sins and once we admit we are sinners and receive Jesus into our heart as payment for our sins, then we are saved. This is why I tune into grace teachers who can expound that part of the Bible. Otherwise, this becomes a destructive religion, IMO, no better than Islam, or some other religion where your salvation is never secure and you have to worry if you are saved. I think there is a destructive element to this which is easliy found by searching youtube for the mirade of video testimonies out there portraying Christians going to hell, and therefore you have an excessive guilt or condemnation or religious shame which is crippling and you can't really make positive life decisions or healthy choices that one would probably have made anyway if these things weren't there in the first place. I don't think Jesus came to give people more condemnation or religious shame than they already got from their Jewish religion but to save people by forgiving their sins. I think choice comes by interpretation of what the book says rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[Dingo]

Jesus.... Stop worrying if God is watching you masturbate and go out and **** some hoes.

 

[tryonce]

im incel too 3/10

 

[Serenity]

@corrector What you did there is cherry picking, the most common trait of a religious person. If you can figure out what is good and bad on your own and leave out the bad parts of the bible and keep the good, why do you need a bible at all? Because then you're no longer really following the bible, you're following yourself.

Religion is useless if you are capable of empathy and not only moral knowledge but moral understanding. Knowledge being the rules and understanding being what bad the rules are designed to prevent. You apparently know what to do AND why to do it, you don't need an ancient book to tell you either of those things.

 

[IBreatheSpears]

He is preaching his abrahamic ******* god

Okay so you are one of those autistic atheists. Got it

I don't believe in god but I grew out of telling people about it a long time ago. Suggest you do the same

 

[corrector]

@corrector What you did there is cherry picking, the most common trait of a religious person. If you can figure out what is good and bad on your own and leave out the bad parts of the bible and keep the good, why do you need a bible at all? Because then you're no longer really following the bible, you're following yourself.

I am not leaving out any "bad parts" of the Bible. I have said that the Bible is subject to interpretation which is why you have allot of different sects that are out there. Personally, I'm focusing on the love of God because He gave Jesus to die for our sins. The Bible also says that while we are sinners Jesus died for our sins. This is Romans 5:8 in the Bible. Everyone reading this really could get saved based on how I'm reading it.

Religion is useless if you are capable of empathy and not only moral knowledge but moral understanding. Knowledge being the rules and understanding being what bad the rules are designed to prevent. You apparently know what to do AND why to do it, you don't need an ancient book to tell you either of those things.

I'm looking at the Bible from a "grace angle" and am tuning into teachers such as Andrew Wommack and Joseph Prince as of late. What they are saying is interesting and I'd recommend them. They are saying that rules create sin rather than prevent it. I don't get it, but it sounds interesting and I'm trying to learn more about this doctrine. I realize I updated this type of thread because I looked at other youtube videos portraying that I would likely go to hell because I enjoy watching backpage adult classified and fapping (i.e. I don't have an addiction out of this but it's bad enough that I could be a fornicator and have my name blotted out, etc.. at least according to those videos). What I have found is that merely worrying about going to hell does not, in and of itself, stop sins like that. I have looked at other testimonies of people who have come out of way worst porn addictions than what I may occasionally indulge in without worrying about whether they would lose their salvation and go to hell as a result of that addiction while they had the problem.

So, I would mean to say there is a faith-universe out there, and people are denying themselves the potential of personal growth and exploration by not trying to connect with God and do some soul searching. In that sense it's better to believe in God since you can't hear someone you don't believe exist.

 

[Serenity]

@corrector What is a sin is less important than why it is a sin. What is a rule is less important than why it is a rule. Some people throw around the word "sin" uncritically without a clue about why it is so. What is your definition of sin?

Mine is actions that harm myself and/or others, quite simple. Doesn't require ancient books or fictional characters with infinite powers. If you do however require a greater power to remain a moral human being then you're probably a sh!tty person. Why? Because it's God that makes you good, you're not actually good as you are.

You see the issue there?