I am tired of blackpillers and anti-self improvement guys on here

[SW15]

I would add that blue and maybe moderate red pill guys make decent friends. Hardcore red/black pill guys are less common and might be more difficult to have as buddies.

A lot of red pill and black pill guys are so focused on getting vagina that they don't make much time for male friends. In addition, 30+ red pill and black pill guys typically have mostly married guy and LTR guy friends. These friendships might have been strong at one time, but the married guy and LTR guy friends are not seeing the unattached/marginally attached single guy as much.

Also worth mentioning that a man can be a decent friend but a terrible wingman in a nightlife venue. I've seen it with my own set of friends.

 

[Barrister]

This is esoteric talk to those who don't know what gold looks like... I maintain that the likes of AS, you, and others like Dash, and Howie, should have links to the gold in your signatures. Otherwise people are skipping over the gold thinking it's fools gold...

You are nice to say so. And it can be hard to sift through the topics to find the gold -- probably harder now than it ever has been.

I think over the years of being here you tend to recognize posters who you can trust what they say. Generally, sifting through their posts will let you uncover the gold much faster than the forum at large. But to your second point, I think that is part of the problem here generally speaking anymore. Black pill posters think everything is "fool's gold" and will continually just want to argue why what is being suggested won't work for them. It is just excuse making because they don't want to get out there and try.

 

[Stanley]

Black pill posters think everything is "fool's gold" and will continually just want to argue why what is being suggested won't work for them. It is just excuse making because they don't want to get out there and try.

I like the way you frame it. They think everything presented before them that isn't 'looks' is nothing more than a ploy or cope. They consistently deflect and place blame. On some level I feel bad for them, but if you spend time amongst them that quickly goes away.
Misery loves company

 

[Kotaix]

How can men best empower each other, as they navigate these challenges?

It used to be that men had male-only spaces where they could get together. But feminism has systematically destroyed them all by forcing them to be co-ed.

Male-only spaces need to come back.

 

[Barrister]

I like the way you frame it. They think everything presented before them that isn't 'looks' is nothing more than a ploy or cope. They consistently deflect and place blame. On some level I feel bad for them, but if you spend time amongst them that quickly goes away.
Misery loves company

I won't speak for them, but I think on some level a lot of the black pillers (not all) are generally men who are not well-endowed in the looks department and think they are doomed from the very start for this sole reason. However, unless you have a true physical disability, a man always has control over how he looks and how successful he is. The first gives him some mobility on the looks scale through sculpting his body with healthy eating (mostly) and gym (secondarily), the second gives him quite a bit of mobility both on the financial and social proof scales. A lot of things are in a man's control - but he has to accept that the biggest thing holding him back in the first place is himself. Most people can't do that. And a lot of our resident black pill posters fall into that category.

 

[characternote]

I did mention i'm fairly blackpilled' in one of my replies earlier.
Reading some of these posts make me question exactly what I am or even if I understand the various 'pills' lol. I'm not even sure what all the colours actually mean!
For example, I certainly don't hate women.
I'm far from an incel and have a fairly high lay count from cold approach etc. Posted lay reports and even reciepts here etc
I'm a fairly happy dude in general

But since this is a game forum, I mentioned blackpill in regards soley to 'game' as opposed to some sort of life philosophy

e.g I know that if we're talking about cold approaching a hot young girl, your looks are what determines whether you have a shot or not. No amount of confidence or 'game' will help when you open a girl who isn't attracted to you. And it's obvious in less than 2 seconds if you can read people well. And the fact that this is very well proven in infields from the worlds apparent best PUA's is the nail in the coffin for me.

 

[Stanley]

I won't speak for them, but I think on some level a lot of the black pillers (not all) are generally men who are not well-endowed in the looks department and think they are doomed from the very start for this sole reason. However, unless you have a true physical disability, a man always has control over how he looks and how successful he is. The first gives him some mobility on the looks scale through sculpting his body with healthy eating (mostly) and gym (secondarily), the second gives him quite a bit of mobility both on the financial and social proof scales. A lot of things are in a man's control - but he has to accept that the biggest thing holding him back in the first place is himself. Most people can't do that. And a lot of our resident black pill posters fall into that category.

Interestingly I have also found that are outliers within their communities. Attractive men who have failed with women or more often have an intense fear of rejection and are just inexperienced. They don't try and they can easily fall into a mindset that is a slippery slope.

An article Howie shared the other day about incels has a lot of correlations with black pill sentiments. They THINK they aren't good enough looking. They THINK girls only care about looks. They THINK women have insane standards for every guy.

They don't know

I did mention i'm fairly blackpilled' in one of my replies earlier.
Reading some of these posts make me question exactly what I am or even if I understand the various 'pills' lol. I'm not even sure what all the colours actually mean!
For example, I certainly don't hate women.
I'm far from an incel and have a fairly high lay count from cold approach etc. Posted lay reports and even reciepts here etc
I'm a fairly happy dude in general

But since this is a game forum, I mentioned blackpill in regards soley to 'game' as opposed to some sort of life philosophy

e.g I know that if we're talking about cold approaching a hot young girl, your looks are what determines whether you have a shot or not. No amount of confidence or 'game' will help when you open a girl who isn't attracted to you. And it's obvious in less than 2 seconds if you can read people well. And the fact that this is very well proven in infields from the worlds apparent best PUA's is the nail in the coffin for me.

We're all a bit of everything i'm sure.

Looks do matter and guys here know that, but we also know that there is much more to it. The common blackpill sentiment is 'game' is cope and EVERYTHING in life has to do with your looks, not your talent, not your merritt, not your intelligence, just looks.

Again blackpill was born on incel boards created to hate on PUA in the early 2010's.

Their praxeology (if you want to call it that) is steeped in bitterness towards the men that get women and the women that sleep with men. They have INSANE obsessions' with every detail of the human face. From the angle of your jaw to the tilt of your eyes, it is truly insane and it seems a lot of guys my age have stumbled upon it in years past. It has created a culture of men seeking out plastic surgery to 'fix' themselves. Problem being you can't fix an inside problem with an outside factor.

If you are a happy sexually successful dude I would gather you aren't of the black pill mindset

 

[BadBoy89]

You are more likely to see a thread about genetics, race, or general complaining. Which is disappointing.

And that’s the point.

Because the men have started to realize that all the “improvement” advice they are given doesn't mean anything unless they have the right genetics / looks.

On Sosuave, we are talking about young HOT girls between 18-29. We are not talking about any women over 30, fat, ugly, or single mothers.

 

[Barrister]

And that’s the point.

Because the men have started to realize that all the “improvement” advice they are given doesn't mean anything unless they have the right genetics / looks.

On Sosuave, we are talking about young HOT girls between 18-29. We are not talking about any women over 30, fat, ugly, or single mothers.

No dispute we are discussing hot women 18-29.

Everything else though is just Exhibit A for black pill mindset and how it is self-defeating. It all comes down to SMV. Looks is just a part of the SMV equation, and frankly, the least important one.

 

[characternote]

No dispute we are discussing hot women 18-29.

Everything else though is just Exhibit A for black pill mindset and how it is self-defeating. It all comes down to SMV. Looks is just a part of the SMV equation, and frankly, the least important one.

In another thread I tihnk you mentioned that looks is the most important thing for getting laid/one night stands etc, and that status and money were more important when it comes to locking down girls and relationships and stuff. I agree with that

But what posters here tend to be talking about is they want to be able to get the random super hot 18 year old in bed. She's not interested when he approaches. Doesn't matter how much game material he's read and how confident he comes across. It doesn't cut any ice with her. And neither does she care that you have worked on yoursself a lot and have a good job or whatever. She simply isn't attracted to him

I think (assume) that that's what badboy89 is talking about. So you say look is the least important thing, but likely for what he's talking about (banging pretty girls from cold approach), it's the most important thing (as you agreed with in the other thread)

I dunno, man. It's all a headache lol.

I don't worry about it all. I just approach hot girls when I see them. I shoot my shot. I know my odds are super low and that I won't be her type, but I don't cry about it and I keep going, and every so often I find myself in bed with a stunner half my age. I'm ok with it

 

[eli77]

This forum is becoming more and more blackpill. People are using the terms normie, chadlite, and chad seriously. I sense a large amount of apathy and disillusionment in the people who use these terms. They feel that they are confined to a certain league, defined by their looks, and are condemned to stay there. Approaching becomes pointless because no girls will respond.

This mentality was not in the PUA community in its heyday. When you read Roosh, Strauss, and especially Pook, you feel excited. You hear cool stories and you get pumped to try the tactics yourself. You may have once sucked with women, but writers like those above give you a spark to take action and approach. They remind you that you will fail, but that eventually — sometime — you will succeed.

It is from this inspiration that I began my PUA journey. I was excited — though very nervous — to learn how to get girls. These guys told me how to approach. They gave me a plan for action. I came into college and started applying. I failed a ton, and didn’t work up enough confidence to approach time after time, but I had a goal in my mind so I kept going.

These OG PUA guys weren’t against improving your looks. No, not at all. Pook’s article on gaining muscle mass inspired me to lift:

What every skinny guy should know…

High rates of testosterone affects not only your actions, I believe women can sniff it out. So take a guy, stuffed with testosterone, and push him into a room full of lovely young ladies. He doesn’t speak a word. He won’t have to. The women will go to him automatically.

bookofpook.com

But they didn’t tell me that I couldn’t approach if I didn’t have X muscles, Y veins, and Z height. There were no thresholds, no requirements. I just had to put the work in and eventually I would succeed. Yes, I had to improve myself as a man, but that was what I should be doing for myself anyways. I didn’t have to rate myself out of 10 every time I go out to “match” myself with an equal rating girl. Who wants to do that?

The above PUA authors helped me out greatly. I am having a blast at my college. I have two plates I bang every week now and not a year ago I hadn’t even kissed a girl. I’ve gained a good 40 pounds of muscle mass and can now bench 300 lbs max.

One of my biggest inspirations was these PUA guys, especially Pook. They have an excitement in their writing that makes you want to emulate them. It gives you a drive to see other guys’ success. You want to be like them. So you set to work, improve yourself and overcome your fears.

I just don’t see this enthusiastic mindset here much. There is much more complaining about the state of women in general, with the subtext being they are not even worth approaching anymore. Nothing is worth it, so the mentality goes.

Screw that. I don’t like this blackpill trend. Literally 99/100 guys aren’t approaching at all. They have no idea what their potential is. They don’t even know how to talk to girls, because they haven’t. I want these men to find sparks of inspiration, not endless moaning and groaning.

I tell some of my college friends my adventures with women, and they’re always amazed. Not many people do this stuff — and other guys think it’s pretty inspiring and cool. Why drive them off by being blackpill and against any sort of improvement? Instead drive them forward, to greener pastures!

I hope this blackpill trend changes and we can inspire more men through this forum.

Agree!!

 

[Barrister]

In another thread I tihnk you mentioned that looks is the most important thing for getting laid/one night stands etc, and that status and money were more important when it comes to locking down girls and relationships and stuff. I agree with that

I believe that was in a thread where a poster stated in his OP that we needed to "rate" what was most important for getting a hot woman: looks, money, social proof. I said when it came to a ONS specifically, looks would be most important of the three. Specifically because the other two almost don't matter in that very limited circumstance. This thread is more general and when it comes to long term success with women, looks are the least important. Secondly, I think lack of looks can be made up for with a confident and charismatic personality. I have seen it personally many times in my life.

 

[corrector]

I did mention i'm fairly blackpilled' in one of my replies earlier.
Reading some of these posts make me question exactly what I am or even if I understand the various 'pills' lol. I'm not even sure what all the colours actually mean!
For example, I certainly don't hate women.
I'm far from an incel and have a fairly high lay count from cold approach etc. Posted lay reports and even reciepts here etc
I'm a fairly happy dude in general

But since this is a game forum, I mentioned blackpill in regards soley to 'game' as opposed to some sort of life philosophy

e.g I know that if we're talking about cold approaching a hot young girl, your looks are what determines whether you have a shot or not. No amount of confidence or 'game' will help when you open a girl who isn't attracted to you. And it's obvious in less than 2 seconds if you can read people well. And the fact that this is very well proven in infields from the worlds apparent best PUA's is the nail in the coffin for me.

Kudos with you as you dont have the looks and have a crazy numbers game through cold approach. You have allot of credibility when you say this thing works for you. Has things got more difficult now or do you think there are just more blackpill content leading to a false perception that things have got worst?

 

[corrector]

I won't speak for them, but I think on some level a lot of the black pillers (not all) are generally men who are not well-endowed in the looks department and think they are doomed from the very start for this sole reason. However, unless you have a true physical disability, a man always has control over how he looks and how successful he is. The first gives him some mobility on the looks scale through sculpting his body with healthy eating (mostly) and gym (secondarily), the second gives him quite a bit of mobility both on the financial and social proof scales. A lot of things are in a man's control - but he has to accept that the biggest thing holding him back in the first place is himself. Most people can't do that. And a lot of our resident black pill posters fall into that category.

I have seen disabled white guys in wheelchair with their hot Asian women. Dont buy this true diability thing. Also the racepill is being debunked by other succeasful posters.

The looks thing is mainly OLD and tinder. People who dont have the looks tend to cold aporoach rather than use OLD.

 

[characternote]

Kudos with you as you dont have the looks and have a crazy numbers game through cold approach. You have allot of credibility when you say this thing works for you. Has things got more difficult now or do you think there are just more blackpill content leading to a false perception that things have got worst?

It's probably getting a bit harder for me I guess? It's hard to gage, mainly because I don't tend to approach quite as much as I did when I was a PUA nutter, hell-bent on reading and applying everything, and figuring out if this stuff works at all, or if it's basically marketing etc.

Also, i'm getting older, yet I still go for the hot 18 year olds haha. So of course, as time goes by, i'll be an instant 'no' for more and more girls. (the ones who don't want a guy with wrinkles or grey hairs or whatever!)
As for whether things have gotten worse overall, i'm not sure. I do kind of feel that more and more girls think they're basically celebrities nowadays lol. I guess that's natural when so many hot random girls now have like 10k 'fans' on instagram and stuff, but I don't feel like it's been a drastic change. I think that general ship started to sail a good while back, probably when teh smartphone came out haha

I've been seeing the same girl who's pic I posted on here for a while so been out of the game more (but still make some approaches) but i'll jump back in the pool soon enough

 

[BadBoy89]

But what posters here tend to be talking about is they want to be able to get the random super hot 18 year old in bed.

I think (assume) that that's what badboy89 is talking about. So you say look is the least important thing, but likely for what he's talking about (banging pretty girls from cold approach), it's the most important thing (as you agreed with in the other thread)

+1.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. I believe most men here aren’t here to find out how to get in a full blown 50/50 relationship co dependent relationship with a 30+ year old non virgin women.

I think most men are here because they want to be able to attract the hot sexy young girl in her 20s and sleep with her quickly. That’s what they care about. That’s why you see these alleged blackpoll threads about “my height” “my hair” “my looks”. It’s all about genetic stuff because that stuff can attract the hot girls quickly.

I had 2 dates this week set up with 2 women and I almost forgot about both of them. One of them phoned me and said “are we still on?” Why didn’t I care? Because the women, decent looking, were 34+, It’s like who cares.

Yes, obviously a man should work on himself. But the investment / return for a lot men is not worth it.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

On Sosuave, we are talking about young HOT girls between 18-29. We are not talking about any women over 30, fat, ugly, or single mothers.

where does it say that the forum is only meant to discuss women under 30?

Lmfao.

There are plenty of us dating women over 30. And that doesn’t mean they ugly or fat. Man this is precious.

 

[BadBoy89]

where does it say that the forum is only meant to discuss women under 30?

Lmfao.

There are plenty of us dating women over 30. And that doesn’t mean they ugly or fat. Man this is precious.

Let me clarify: In my opinion, Sosuave is for men wanting to date hot single fertile girls under 30. If the woman is 30+, fat, ugly, or single mother, a man should not need Sosuave. Anything can be discussed here (saving politics), but a man should not “need” advice here for a woman with any or all of those conditions.

Ive never seen threads saying “the woman is 41, single mother of 2 boys, losing her looks and bit overweight. She hasn’t responded to my text in 24 hours.” Why? Because a man instinctively knows what to do in that situation.

Its more “The girl is 24 and is confused about our relationship” or “the girl is 27 and doesn’t feel like having sex”. When the girl is young, and hot, and fertile, the man gets a little more nervous there.

My thoughts only.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I agree the bulk of the postings will be from younger men (than me) looking for advice on how to approach a young woman, they rely on grizzled old lotharios like me and a few others to lay down some sage advice after the bluster thrown down by their peers.

You seem to think that there are no women over 40 with killer physiques and great looks. And this is because it’s not where you hunt. There are a good cross section of us here 40 and older that are sleeping with and dating women that are older than your supposed target. And no it’s not as easy as you claim it to be.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Let me clarify: In my opinion, Sosuave is for men wanting to date hot single fertile girls under 30. If the woman is 30+, fat, ugly, or single mother, a man should not need Sosuave. Anything can be discussed here (saving politics), but a man should not “need” advice here for a woman with any or all of those conditions.

Ive never seen threads saying “the woman is 41, single mother of 2 boys, losing her looks and bit overweight. She hasn’t responded to my text in 24 hours.” Why? Because a man instinctively knows what to do in that situation.

Its more “The girl is 24 and is confused about our relationship” or “the girl is 27 and doesn’t feel like having sex”. When the girl is young, and hot, and fertile, the man gets a little more nervous there.

My thoughts only.

Many of those girls a dumber than a bag of rocks though. That's what a lot of young guys don't get, or they're ok with it.