How would you handle this scenario?

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So I've been dating this girl for a little over a month now. We have a lot of history and have been messing around for about 5 months prior to this. At the time I met her she had a bf, and she eventually broke up with his AFC @ss for me. Everything is going very well in the sense that she calls everyday just to say "hi" and check up on me. She has deep feelings for me, and has increasingly opened up to me during that time. I obiviously feel very strongly for her too and know that we have a very deep connection.

However she works a lot. She comes from a pretty bad family upbringing as well. You know one of those households were your pretty much responsible for yourself. She's 20 years old, and has to pay for EVERYTHING! She's on a academic scholarship, so that's how school's covered, but everything else comes outta her pocket. She has 3 jobs right now. 2 as a waitress at very popular resturants, where she does quiet well and another office job where she's on salary. I'd estimate that she's working 40-45 hours a week. She moved back home for the summer, just as I did and she still has to pay her parent's $200/month to live at home. She pays for her car, her insurance, her expenses and her food!!!

With summer here a lot of her friends from high school are coming back home and she obiviously wants to see them too. This basically has left little time for me and her. I get to see her 2 times a week right now. And even then its only for a couple hours, unless we go to a party together.

So yesterday she could just tell that something was not right and I basically told her that I've been frustrated with the situation. In all fairness she did warn me before we got involved that she is a very busy person and a lot of people don't understand her lifestyle. I told her that I guess this frustration is more about me trying to understand her lifestyle because I've never been through as much as she has.

She basically told me that this is the way its going to be until August, that's when school starts back up and she doesn't work half as much. Plus the fact that were both moving up right by our college, we will be within 5 minutes of eachother. She said she's telling me this because she wants to preserve this relationship because she knows its going to be something really amazing. She said she wants to be my girlfriend, but that she cannot fulfill that label right now because it requires a lot of time, which she obiviously doesn't have right now. She told me she realizes that it suxs that we only get to see eachother 2x a week, and that its not fair to either of us to put that pressure on us right now. We are going on a 4 day cruise in August together and we both have been very patient with one another, even when we felt like we didn't want to be.

She told me to really try and understand her position, and that she's really trying to be unselfish by telling me this. I told her a long time ago that I hate clingy girls and girls that move too fast. She's really done her best not to be like that, but I at least expect to see her for more than an hour or two 2x a week. She told me she wants to see me more too, but that she just doesn't have that much time right now. A lot of time she works double shifts serving (9-10 hrs) so when she does have the rest of the day off she'll be exhausted and pass out sleeping. I think I've been more than understanding and I guess I'm just venting, but how would you handle this if you were in my shoes?



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It doesn't sound too bad other than the boredom, etc.

The only thing I don't like is the fact that she doesn't want to call herself your girlfriend, which may mean negative things (most people who wanted it would grab for the label first then worry about fulfilling it).
 

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Dude, chill and relax. You got the girl, she said she wants to keep it (for whatever time) - she's got a busy fill on the table already. All she wants YOU TO DO is BE THERE for her. Be spontaneous, be sweet, simply be there.

You tell her "You don't like clingy people" , after reading your LONG A-SS ESSAY, you seem quiet clingy.
 

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be glad you got an independant gorl and not some spoiled rich girl who was fed with a silver spoon and takes everything for granted.
 

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For real, this girl sounds like gold!! Hardworking, smart, reasonable, AND she makes time for you. Seeing her twice a week sounds perfect to me. Don't scare her off being huffy and clingy.
 

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You guys are right, I realized that before I posted, I just wanted the re-assurance that I'm not making the wrong move.


DJ Dork: There's a lot more to the story about why I'm frustrated with not seeing her enough. For instance she says she has no time but it seems like whenever her friends want to hang out she's suddenly got time or she's not tired. Monday night I asked her to hangout and she agreed. She called me and told me she was going to have dinner and hang out at her house for a bit and then come over and she normally does. What happened...she fell asleep. I guess it was just a bad coincidence that it happened right then. If I would have seen her Monday, I wouldn't have even made this post in the first place.


Believe me guys I know she's a busy girl, but its hard to deal with because we have in a sense been in a relationship for the past 5 months before we "offically" started dating.


Anyways thanks for the heads up, I'll keep it in mind.



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Hell man if I were you I'd go and apologize to her for being a such a b*tch.

She's got her shyt together dude. The problem is she is independent and you are not.

Enjoy your time together and work towards a future together.
 

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In the meantime, get busy yourself! It'll totally relieve this burden on your shoulders. By being occupied, you'll have less time to fret over the situation.


Irresistible Forces by Danielle Steel


U might wanna check out this book. Its a great read and parallels your situation.
 

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out of curiosity:

are u 2 exclusive?

Is it possible she's seeing/banging somebody else on the side?

Would it matter to you?
 

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Try to find other stuff to do and other girls
 

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Originally posted by jbbrain
out of curiosity:

are u 2 exclusive?

Is it possible she's seeing/banging somebody else on the side?

Would it matter to you?

Over the course of the conversation we had yesterday she told me she's not hooking up with anyone else and that she only wants to hook up with me. She's more or less saying she wants to be my girlfriend without the added pressure of being in my life every second because of work right now. As I've told you guys, that's a big reason why I like her, her independence. But there's more to the story. She's become that way because like most girls, she's been fuvked over in the past. Ever since that time she's turned into a player. She use to tell her ex that she loved him, just to say it. She never meant it and this guy was totally in love with her. Each conversation we have she reveals more secrets about how she got her way with him and how much of a chump he was. These little stories make me question what I'm doing with her. I've even told her, that's its hard for me to believe what she says because of what she tells me. Her response is, "Do you think I'd really tell you all this if I didn't KNOW that you are different? I know you read girls well and I know your not a chump."

She's admitted that she feels that lying is not a big deal, and I'm convinced that she's addicted to lying. Its something she's done all her life, and she just can't stop, its habit. Therefore a lot of what she says to me, I always have to second guess myself and say, "Is she telling the truth???"

I've caught her lying about the stupidest shiat. She really doesn't lie about anything of real importance and that's why I guess I've been put in this boat of questioning her constantly. Here's the perfect example:

A few weeks ago she calls me and tells me she was running late for work. She has worked at one of her jobs for 5 years. Her dad works in the corporate office and they'd never fire her for anything. So she goes on to say that her work called her asking her why she was late. Instead of saying "Sorry I'm JUST running late." She makes up a elaborate story about how she got in a car accident, and really hurt her neck. She even had the acting ability to start crying over the phone to convince her boss that what she lied about, really happened. She's telling me this story and laughing and all I'm thinking is, "why does this girl have to lie about the dumbest shiat."

Another example. She said there's a Asian bartender at her work. They were conversing, and he asked her if she's attracted to Asian men. Her response. "No I hate Asian people, I wish they'd all die." Do you really think ANYONE would believe that she'd say that to a co-worker who she really didn't know that well? HELL NO!! I've researched lying on the internet and I think she's a pathological liar. Its someone who convinces themselves that their lies are really the truth, so in a sense its not a lie to her, even though it didn't happen.

She's been to a psychologist because her parents were concerned since she really showed no emotion for anything. One of her previous bf's hit her a couple times. I mean there's really nothing this girl hasn't been through.

The sad part is, we have such a great connection, and I know she cares about me a lot, but unfortunately I constantly have to question to myself whether she's lying or being honest. I know its pretty obivious when we have these serious talks that she's being honest, but at other times I always have to second guess myself. And that suxs because for all I know she could be being 100% honest. BUT, because of how she is, I'll always question the valididity of what she says, until I get to know her better.

There's a part of me that wants to walk away from her because there's not a shortage of women I could have in my life. But the other part of me, the real side, cares deeply about her and wants to show her that she can enjoy her life and not have to be so guarded about trusting people. The whole background has to deal with her not trusting people very easily. I guess I'll just watch the story develop.




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Originally posted by Pimp-sicle
Over the course of the conversation we had yesterday she told me she's not hooking up with anyone else and that she only wants to hook up with me. She's more or less saying she wants to be my girlfriend without the added pressure of being in my life every second because of work right now. As I've told you guys, that's a big reason why I like her, her independence. But there's more to the story. She's become that way because like most girls, she's been fuvked over in the past. Ever since that time she's turned into a player. She use to tell her ex that she loved him, just to say it. She never meant it and this guy was totally in love with her. Each conversation we have she reveals more secrets about how she got her way with him and how much of a chump he was. These little stories make me question what I'm doing with her. I've even told her, that's its hard for me to believe what she says because of what she tells me. Her response is, "Do you think I'd really tell you all this if I didn't KNOW that you are different? I know you read girls well and I know your not a chump."

She's admitted that she feels that lying is not a big deal, and I'm convinced that she's addicted to lying. Its something she's done all her life, and she just can't stop, its habit. Therefore a lot of what she says to me, I always have to second guess myself and say, "Is she telling the truth???"

I've caught her lying about the stupidest shiat. She really doesn't lie about anything of real importance and that's why I guess I've been put in this boat of questioning her constantly. Here's the perfect example:

A few weeks ago she calls me and tells me she was running late for work. She has worked at one of her jobs for 5 years. Her dad works in the corporate office and they'd never fire her for anything. So she goes on to say that her work called her asking her why she was late. Instead of saying "Sorry I'm JUST running late." She makes up a elaborate story about how she got in a car accident, and really hurt her neck. She even had the acting ability to start crying over the phone to convince her boss that what she lied about, really happened. She's telling me this story and laughing and all I'm thinking is, "why does this girl have to lie about the dumbest shiat."

Another example. She said there's a Asian bartender at her work. They were conversing, and he asked her if she's attracted to Asian men. Her response. "No I hate Asian people, I wish they'd all die." Do you really think ANYONE would believe that she'd say that to a co-worker who she really didn't know that well? HELL NO!! I've researched lying on the internet and I think she's a pathological liar. Its someone who convinces themselves that their lies are really the truth, so in a sense its not a lie to her, even though it didn't happen.

She's been to a psychologist because her parents were concerned since she really showed no emotion for anything. One of her previous bf's hit her a couple times. I mean there's really nothing this girl hasn't been through.

The sad part is, we have such a great connection, and I know she cares about me a lot, but unfortunately I constantly have to question to myself whether she's lying or being honest. I know its pretty obivious when we have these serious talks that she's being honest, but at other times I always have to second guess myself. And that suxs because for all I know she could be being 100% honest. BUT, because of how she is, I'll always question the valididity of what she says, until I get to know her better.

There's a part of me that wants to walk away from her because there's not a shortage of women I could have in my life. But the other part of me, the real side, cares deeply about her and wants to show her that she can enjoy her life and not have to be so guarded about trusting people. The whole background has to deal with her not trusting people very easily. I guess I'll just watch the story develop.




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ok..a couple things that came to my attention. Besides the fact thatt she had the unfortunate chnace of landing an AFC boyfriend (from what u make it sound like), how does that equate into her being "fvcked over", and, consequently, becoming more independant?

Being fvcked over usually means getting your heart ripped out of your chest..as much as we all know how unfortunate it is that some girls are stuck with true chumps (I do feel sorry for the girls), in the end, it appears that perhaps she was the one who did the heart breaking...whats up?

Two: The lying. NEVER a good sign. The fact that you have these thoughts of her honesty every time she tells you something is a huge RED flag. She MAY or MAY NOT be lying about anything substantial, but the fact still remains that if shes comfortable enough to fabricate stories of the more mundane things in life, she fully capable of doing the same for other circumstances as well? The reason? Why shouldnt she? Liars like that don't stop before each of their lies and ask themselves if it right or not to lie at that precise moment..it probably comes automatically to her.

Never good. Reagardless if shes tellign the truth or not, your peace of mind may be the more important issue here.

Good luck.
 

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Take it from me. I got a girlfriend once and went AFC within two months. Before the two months I was more relaxed and cool than I am now (having survived a relationship and seen these sites has made me more of a jerk than I should be). Anyway, being clingy and demanding time from a GF will just get you into arguments and ultimately on the road to being dumped.

Since nothing is really wrong with your relationship I would suggest you just relax and start realising you have a life of your own (hopefully). Make more friends and try not to get one-itis. You're doing fine
 

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Originally posted by jbbrain
ok..a couple things that came to my attention. Besides the fact thatt she had the unfortunate chnace of landing an AFC boyfriend (from what u make it sound like), how does that equate into her being "fvcked over", and, consequently, becoming more independant?

Being fvcked over usually means getting your heart ripped out of your chest..as much as we all know how unfortunate it is that some girls are stuck with true chumps (I do feel sorry for the girls), in the end, it appears that perhaps she was the one who did the heart breaking...whats up?

Two: The lying. NEVER a good sign. The fact that you have these thoughts of her honesty every time she tells you something is a huge RED flag. She MAY or MAY NOT be lying about anything substantial, but the fact still remains that if shes comfortable enough to fabricate stories of the more mundane things in life, she fully capable of doing the same for other circumstances as well? The reason? Why shouldnt she? Liars like that don't stop before each of their lies and ask themselves if it right or not to lie at that precise moment..it probably comes automatically to her.

Never good. Reagardless if shes tellign the truth or not, your peace of mind may be the more important issue here.

Good luck.

She didn't get fuvked over by her AFC boyfriend. This guy was an ABSOLUTE chump. This guy actually had the nerve to get my # through someone and call me to ask me if I was fuvking her!! After 7 months of dating he told her he wanted to marry her!!!! This guy was 21 and she was 19 at the time!!! She said he was a chump from day 1, and although he was fun to hang out with, she knew there was nothing REAL there. She said the only reason she stayed with him is because he kept buying her things. He bought her a Tiffany's engagement ring and bracelet for Christmas and Valentines day. $1,500 for the two of them. We went to lunch this past weekend and she was explaining to me that's she's always been like that. When I say "like that" I mean, very good at getting what she wants. She's told me twice over the past week that she doesn't want to be like that anymore. I asked her why, and she said because she feels like she's past that stage in her life. Once again, I want to believe this very much because that obiviously is her telling me how much she likes me, but its hard for me to believe that.

I agree the lying is something I'm investigating as we spend more time. This girl has revealed very private things to me, that she's said she's only told one previous bf. She's told me that previous bf was the only bf she's actually really loved outta all the guys she's dated. She went on to say that the conversations that me and her have are so much deeper than the conversations she had with her AFC ex.

That's why when a couple of people have said I'm being clingy and *****y I really don't feel like I am. I think in a sense I'm indirectly telling her that I'm not going to be the next person in line for you to just fuvk with. However I can see how this can come off as being needy and girly.

I guess I'll just judge her on her actions from here on out. Like I said in my first post, she calls everyday, mainly just to shoot the breeze and say hi. She'll ocassionally tell me she misses me and how she can't wait until we move out in a few months. Regardless of her fuvked in the head personality, she IS a good person, its just that she makes it so god-damn difficult to get past her gates.

I know a lot of this also has to do with my insecurity in her. But I don't think anyone who's read what I've wrote could even doubt me for feeling that way. Most guys would either just keep her around because she's such a freak in bed and the others would NEXT her @ss because they'd figure it just isn't worth it. My peace of mind is very important to me, I just feel like I'll eventually get to the point where I trust her. That's why I want to spend more time with her to get to KNOW her, so I can figure out more about her.



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Twice a week is plenty. She seems into you, this is where you make it or break it. If you get all clingy and AFC like in this period of time you will **** up the future of the relationship just keep your cool and act like you did when you stole her from that AFC.


and just imo it seems as if you'd loose it if this girl dumped u, just make sure you got your head on right bro u seem like ur games pretty tight to begin with keep it that way.
 

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Originally posted by Click Here
Twice a week is plenty. She seems into you, this is where you make it or break it. If you get all clingy and AFC like in this period of time you will **** up the future of the relationship just keep your cool and act like you did when you stole her from that AFC.


and just imo it seems as if you'd loose it if this girl dumped u, just make sure you got your head on right bro u seem like ur games pretty tight to begin with keep it that way.

Click Here: Your right, I haven't had a serious relationship in nearly 2 years. I was just casually dating and massively hooking up. I should mention that I have a gigantic reputation as a player and she knows about that through a few girls who told her not to mess with me because I'm bad news...LOL I'm just really going to relax and kick back. I need to have more trust in her, but that's something that she has to earn from me, not get for free. I'll keep you all posted.


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The first part of your post - this girl seemed like gold. I would say most definitely take a chill pill and let her do her thing.

This chcikie is taking care of business - hard at work taking care of herself - that's a very positive sign.

You see ehr 2 times a week - your getting laid right? if your not - go find other chicks.

If she's falling asleep when your at home, but has energy and time to go out with her GF's - that's your problem. It means your not doing fun things with her - your going through the motions.

So next time you get to spend some time with her - organize something fun. She will have energy. Don't just "Hang" with her.


Now to the lying.

That's a huge red flag. You don't want to get involved with someone that your wondering if she's telling the truth. End it early and be done with the pain.

So, What I suggest is next time this happens - break it off. Tell her lying to you is unexceptable. And end it right there and then.

When she crawls back to you - tell her - if she ever lie's to you again - it's over for good. No third chance. And mean it. That's all she get's - one warning of what you'll do should she lie.

Next - this telling you about her AFC ex. Women do that a lot. And it's a good sign that she's doing it to you. You may not want to hear it, in that case tell her not to tell you - but my advice to you is to deal with it.
 

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NewMan:

She fell asleep Monday night because she worked a double shift and drank some wine with her parents. When we hangout during the week she usually comes over to my house and we just hang out in the park or in her car. She's always excited to come over even if we just sit and talk/hook-up. That's how I know she's truely into me. I have told her that I want to actually DO something when we hang out rather than just sit in the car and hook up. However when she comes over at 11pm on a Wednesday night, there's really no where to go, especially since she's not 21.

About the lying. She has NOT lied to me ever since we started dating. I'm sure your thinking "Well how the fuvk do you know?" Well your right I don't know for sure, but its my gut feeling telling me she's being honest about things. I agree the lying is something that brings up a huge red flag. I don't think she lies because she has to, I think she lies out of habit, just like someone who has always bit their nails.

She has came up with the idea to go out to lunch with me once a week, ever since I said I want to actually DO something. Which is pretty cool of her. I know its a good sign that she's telling me about all her AFC ex. However because of the lying in her past, I find it hard to believe her words.

But Click Here and DJ Dork are right on. This girl likes me a lot and I need to just relax and let things flow. I don't want to seem needy or clingy. So I'm just going to sit back and relax.



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Sounds like you've got it covered.

Nothing is perfect - but just keep an eye out for those red flags and be prepared to bail ship should they arise.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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