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Pimpsicle,

There is more to a relationship then both parties 'liking' each other! You recently posted on another thread that 'communication' was the most important thing in a relationship - actually the most important thing is 'trust' and this is garnered partly through 'honest' communication.

You can never trust a liar and especially a liar that tells you she lies to others to get her way - when you fall out of flavor with her you'll be the next victim of her deceit! She obviously has a mental/psychological problem and don't blame her supposed hardened past for this shortcoming - only she is to blame!

Once you forgive a lie and a liar you reject what is real and start seeing her for someone/something else that you want her to be instead of seeing her for what she is - a deceiver - you blind yourself.

You even admitted that she was a 'player' and thus a deceiver to her men in the past - she led them on to believe in something (her love) that wasn't there - you call them AFC's.

You are falling in the dangerous trap of excusing yourself of such chump behavior by thinking that she can't deceive you and that you are 'different' and she won't 'play' you because she likes you too much to do that – that somehow you are someone ‘special’ and unique. It is very difficult for a liar to lie every time with everybody and solely be honest with just you – the lies become part of her character and human-makeup!

Remember, you are just the next pimp in line! Need I say that to a man who calls himself ‘Pimpsicle’? :rolleyes:

It worries me when a guy wants to see a girl more than she wants or is capable to see him – doom is right around the corner! Working 45 hours a week is not such a demanding schedule as you make it out to be, although it can be hectic if you need to go to 3 different jobs. She seems to be the type that doesn’t have much energy or has bad sleeping patterns that affect her energy level.

Never, never, never ask a girl to see more of her (it is women who usually say this and not men). If she is into you as much as you say then you don’t have to coax her to make the initiative.

What also worries me is the statement “I don’t want to be in a relationship (your official g/f ?) until August when we go back to school” Sincere women who are into a guy DON’T think like this or say these things to a man for fear of losing him – a woman latches onto a man as soon as she determines that he is the one she wants. However, a girl ‘player’ will say something like this!

You are giving her way too much control and she knows that she has it over you. If she is not your official g/f, then I gather that you/her can date others otherwise why not be b/f- g/f!!

She doesn’t want you to date others but at the same she doesn’t want to commit to you – HUH???? Don’t let her dictate the agenda and don’t let her use the ‘busy working’ excuse!

Dictate the agenda and maintain control! Quit asking to see more of her – just set up an activity/ function and invite her along – after a few of her blatant rejections move on without her! Don’t pass up someone else more promising based on her words of commitment in August.
 
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I don't think I ever demanded to see more of her. But I guess I indirectly said this by telling her it suxs that I only get to see her 2x a week. I wasn't asking to see her 5-6x a week, I was just wanting to see her for a longer period of time when we do hang out.

So then how do you take her telling me all about her AFC ex? Is this all part of her strategy in your opinion? I clearly think as others have pointed out, that this is a great indication because she knows she can't pull that shyt with me.

I dunno man, I'm a tad bit confused too. I think I'll just continue talking with her and not really ask her to hang out. If she brings it up on her own then based on my schedule I'll agree or disagree. Right now things are kinda luke warm, so I'll have to get her interest back up before I can start implementing the starategy more.

In the mean time I think I will go out and meet new girls. Maybe once I find a girl who's a little bit more level headed, it will be easy for me to snap back to reality and see all the flaws your telling me this girl has.



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You guys I've done a lot of thinking today and I'm going to get rid of her!!! Last night a couple of us were drinking at my fraternity house and she called me and asked me if I was there. I said yeah and she said she was going to come by. She literally came by for about 5 minutes and then said "I'm going to leave." It was kinda boring, and she wasn't drinking and none of her girlfriends were there.

So I run out to walk her to her car and I'm a little drunk and I ask her to stay for a little bit. She turns on her car and hangs out with me for about 10 minutes and tells me to give her a kiss. We hold eachother for a few minutes and she goes, "Are you drunk right now?" I told her I wasn't, even though I was a little bit. I told her a few more times that I wanted her to stay just for a bit and she goes:

"Your being really whiny right now and its really unattractive!!"

Case in point, true I might have been being a little bit whiny, but that shouldn't even come into question if she wanted to see me. We had made plans to go to lunch earlier in the week today and I just knew by her agitated behavior that we weren't going to go.

So I called her in the middle of the day today and she called me back a few hours later, and here's her tone of voice:

(very short and irritated)

Me: Hello
Her: YOU CALLED
Me: Yeah
Her: WHAT'S UP, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
Me: Nothing, just calling to see what your up to.
Her: So were you drunk last night?
Me: Yeah I was pretty drunk
Her: I KNEW IT! YOU WERE SOOOO ANNOYING!! I HATE WHEN I ASK YOU IF YOUR DRUNK AND YOU SAY YOUR NOT.
Me: I know, I guess I don't think I'm that drunk and then I realize I am.


"Well I have to go, I'm almost at work right now, I'll give you a call later though."

Keep in mind she initially told me she didn't have to work at all today. Then when we were at her car she said she's on call and she might have to work in the morning. And then when she calls me she says she's on her way to work starting a 5pm shift. I say, "I thought you didn't have to work today?" She goes, "Not until 5." So another classic lie coming outta her mouth.

As much as this suxs and as hard as I think it might be for me to let go of her, I HAVE TO!! She get's annoyed by me hanging out with her. I'm almost positive that something's going on in her life and she's not telling me, as usual. There's NO communication in this relationship and the simple fact that she wants me to wait until August to be her bf is INSANE!!

I know its the right thing to do, but it will definitely be hard.

Any tips on how I should do it? I was thinking of just ignoring her phone calls. Because I don't want to tell her I want to be friends. You can't be friends with someone you've had a relationship with. At least I can't.

Thanks for the help.



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I've never broken up from a serious relationship before, so I can't tell you how to do that...

I think it's a wise decision though. This is messing up your head. Look at all the time you're wasting thinking about this girl and her actions... You deserve someone better for a serious relationship, someone who doesn't lie to you, and who is totally open when communicating.
 

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The real question is what you want, I think.

If you are emotionally detached from her, then just gently blow her off (ignore her, whatever) and then when she shows back up in August you have a playmate if you want. For me, that is not enough since I do prefer a deeper connection; on the other hand, someone else to drink with, hook up with, etc., is never a bad thing.

But if you are done with her, I would still blow her off. She thinks you are all over her and she has been somewhat rude to you. So I don't think that she deserves your attention, to break up with her formally or otherwise. If she gets insistent about why you are not available at her whim, tell her that her schedule was clearly making it silly for the two of you to try anything, and that you do not think you can go out with someone who has such an easy time lying to people. Then just LJBF her.

I'd also steel myself for watching her hook up all over the place back at school.
 

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Originally posted by JohnJones
The real question is what you want, I think.

If you are emotionally detached from her, then just gently blow her off (ignore her, whatever) and then when she shows back up in August you have a playmate if you want. For me, that is not enough since I do prefer a deeper connection; on the other hand, someone else to drink with, hook up with, etc., is never a bad thing.

But if you are done with her, I would still blow her off. She thinks you are all over her and she has been somewhat rude to you. So I don't think that she deserves your attention, to break up with her formally or otherwise. If she gets insistent about why you are not available at her whim, tell her that her schedule was clearly making it silly for the two of you to try anything, and that you do not think you can go out with someone who has such an easy time lying to people. Then just LJBF her.

I'd also steel myself for watching her hook up all over the place back at school.
That's the problem bro. I have a strong attachment to her. I have pretty deep feelings for her and its going to be EXTREMELY hard to just walk away. I'm just going to go with the flow. I'm going to go out have fun, hook up with other girls and hopefully that will help these feelings fade away so I can see clearly. What's so sad is I totally know the game, and I know what I SHOULD do but I'm having a hard time dealing with it.

I have a question. Why do you think this girl keeps on coming back to me? I mean if I bother her or do stupid things, why can't she just move on and leave me alone? She explained to me that she always likes having someone there. So in a sense I feel like I'm her voice of reason. I dunno, the more I think about it the more confused I get.

This suxs. I'm going to a huge party tonight, she might come when she gets off work, but I'm just going to get drunk and hook up.



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perhaps you are overanalyzing.

and perhaps you should discuss some of these thoughts with her, such as that you want her to not lie to you. and that you are requesting that she not do so and you will give her the trust that she wont lie.
and discuss why she is so critical of you, maybe you two are on totally different wavelengths.

also, none of these flaws seem that bad. Telling little white lies is OK, as long as she doesnt cheat or whatever.

You cant expect everyone to fit your conception of the perfect, psychologically healthy individual. Love is about taking chances, and perhaps you should just dive in.
Just take a chance and accept her for all her flaws, she is only human after all. And even in the worst case scenario - you break up - so what? youll recover. Im sure you could get back to screwing other girls in no time.

also, sometimes girls lie to maintain their independence. Like the lie about working: maybe she just didnt want to see you, but she didnt want to hurt your feelings.
She couldnt actually say, "Well i dont want to see you for a couple days because i was dissappointed in your behavior when you were drunk and i wanted some time alone." NOBODY is that honest, even if they should be.
So, she tells a little white lie to make things go smoother and to keep control of her life (by seeing people when she wants, on her terms). it seems like independence.

so since you enjoy this girl, keep her.
just my 2 cents.
But bear in mind that i'm not in your shoes, and maybe she is being more manipulative or secretive than i can tell. So it's up to you. There WERE some shady signs in your posts which made me think twice.
 
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Technically, you are not b/f g/f - until august! So how can you 'break up' what is not together?:rolleyes:

Just tell her that there is too much drama with her and she don't make you feel wanted so you are going to move on and seek peace of mind and bliss elsewhere!
 

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Here's more news:

Thrusday night I went out with a bunch of friends and got really trashed. We got a ride back to our frat house and she called me. I answered and we talked for a second. In my drunk talk I exclaimed: "Hey we should just be friends." She responds and goes, "Ok, if that's what you want." I didn't get a chance to respond because she got another call and told me she'd call back.

So about 35 minutes later she calls back and she was drinking at a small pub. We both were pretty drunk and I can't remember any bit of the conversation, just drunk blabber.

I'm driving home about 15 minutes later and she calls again. She asks what I'm doing and I tell her I'm driving home and I'm a little buzzed still. She tells me I'm an idiot for driving in that condition (I agree) and I hang up on her.

The next morning I called and left a message. She calls back and leaves a message, while I was at work. She never leaves messages, unless its a drunk phone call late at night. In her super sweet tone of voice she says, "Hey, I'm going to the beach right now, you can call me down there when you get this, but I might not have service."

I didn't call her back because I was working and when I get off my shift she had called me 3 more times. So I call her back and talk with her for a bit and she mentions that she got called in to work, so she might not be able to come to the party. She said she'd try to though.

Later on that night our mutal friend calls me to chit chat. She tells me she just spoke with HB about an hour ago. I go, HB told me she has to work today. Our mutal friend goes, she just told me she didn't have to work.

So right then HB calls me, so I answer and we talk. We start talking about our mutal friend and HB goes, "Yeah, I haven't talked to her today." I go, "Are you sure?" She goes, "Yep." I go, "Are you sure, your sure you haven't spoke with her today?" She goes, "Yeah." So we talk for a while and I tried to end the conversation a couple of times and she begs me to stay on the ohone. I ask her what she's doing right now and she goes, "I'm about to go to the gym." She tells me that she wants to come out and hang out at the party tonight. I tell her I doubt she'll come if she works out so late and all. She goes, "Well I'll call you when I'm on my way up there."

She never called. I realize that she's somewhat annoyed with me right now and all, but I'm really torn with what to do. I want to NEXT her real bad, but I know this girl cares about me just as much as I care about her. I did say a few fuvked up things during the phone conversation but I didn't think it was a big deal.

I asked her to describe herself in one word and she said, "Byatch". I laughed and said that's exactly what I was thinking."

I told her she's very weird and she kept asking me how, how but I wouldn't give her a straight answer.


Isotape brings up a good point. While it is obivious that this girl lies, it doesn't seem like she lies about anything of major importance to me at least. I'm just going to back off like I said and not ask her to hang out for a few days.


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Break up with this control freak before she has the chance to break up with you, because that is what she is going to do in the near future.. when you told her you just want to be friends her little spoiled b#tch light bulb went off and now she is gonna try and turn things around on you.. remember she always gets what she wants and that includes preserving her huge ego.. she is gonna manipulate you and you are going to be another one of her ex-AFC boyfriends that she is gonna tell her next boyfriend about..


BTW.. she doesn't care about you as much as you care about her.. your own high interest in her is blinding you to her low interest level in you... she cares about you.. but not enough..
 

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OpenMind: I actually disagree with you on her not caring about me as much as I do for her. She's very emotional. When I hit a nerve with her, it takes her a while to get over it. Where as I'm the type of person to USUALLY not let things get to me. Obiviously this is not the case right now. Being a player before all this happened, I know I wouldn't spend 8 months trying to get the upper hand on someone.

Before this past week everything was going very well. She was the one asking to hangout all the time, not me. I think the fact that I've brought up this frustration about the stage of the relationship a few times recently has bothered her into thinking I'm doubting her devotion to me. I'm not doubting her, because we always say judge girls on what they do, not what they say. And her "doing" has been above and beyond what I expected from her.

Believe it or not she's a really awesome girl 90% of the time. She's smart, sexy, funny and great company. I just feel like sometimes she's got multiple personalities.

Like I said before, if I didn't have any feelings for her, it would be so easy to just turn my back and walk away. Ignore her and I'd be fine within a day or two. But that's not what's going on. I might be ignoring a huge red flag, and this might end up blowing up in my face, but my gut instinct is telling me that this will work out. Who knows, I'm blinded right now, so I can't be thinking to logically.

I'll keep you updated.




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Wow!! Well its DEFINITELY the end of this story!!! My buddy calls me tonight and tells me that HB has been going out on dates with the guy at her work!!! All this time I was blinded by my feelings for her and she lied, lied and LIED!!!! I'm so upset with myself for not seeing through it.

She just walked all over me and I let her, like a chump. Well if anything I'm glad this story's FINALLY over. I told myself on more than one occassion that my gut feeling told me that something wasn't right and I knew it.


PRL, thanks for the help bro, I'll never doubt you again. You told me waaay back in April that this girl was a *****, and that I was jut the next pimp in line and I chose to ignore it. Wow, I seriously can't believe how stupid I was.



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wow damn ill remmeber to not be so trusting
 
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Pimpsicle, this is a good experience for you - hopefully you have learned something - that is "Say no to hos!!!!

If the man doesn't set the agenda and the girl doesn't follow then you are inevitably doomed! From what you told me this girl is dangerous and the question is "what attracts you to these kind of women?" Until you answer that you will fall into the trap again!!

You said she was a player and yet you had feelings for a player and got burned. She is a liar and you let the lies go without repercussions only because it didn't afffect you personally. Now you find out she is a liar and a cheat - every liar is a cheater!!!

Every one excuses a liar as long as the lie doesn't involve them - but the reality is a liar is a liar and you are no one special to be excused from her deceit! "She won't lie to me", you say - WRONG!!

Never have 'feelings' / get emotional over a hor! This will lead to self destruction! If you play with fire you will get burned!! No one is exempt from universal laws!!
 

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Our mutal friend was the one who told my buddy tonight. How stupid could HB be to tell our mutal friend. They are in the same sorority together, but her mutal friend wanted me last semester. And we are really close. I'm a little ticked off at our mutal friend for withholding this information from me when she knew for a week now.

My buddy was talking to her at a party tonight and just said he feels so bad for me since he's never seen me so flustered over a girl like this. Like I said I was the one playing girls having a good time all this time before I met her. Even when I initially met her I thought it was odd that she so willingly wanted to fuvk me after hanging out 1x.

I'm even more upset since I didn't walk away after all these open admissions of bullshyt she told me. I guess its hard when you have feelings for someone. Here's a small list of all the things she told me that I should have seen as BIG RED FLAGS:

- Lying is not a big deal to me
-I'm so fuvked in the head
-She cheated on her ex of 15 months with me for 7 months!!! And god knows how many other guys
-She dated her ex's best friend for 2 years, he left for the Army and they were still together. They broke up and right away she started hooking up with the guy she was with before me.

Huge red flags!!! I'm better for going through this, so I know now. Honestly I'm not even heart-broken. I'm just happy that I have clarity on this and I don't have to stress over her anymore.



Thanks for all the advice bros.


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Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
Pimpsicle, this is a good experience for you - hopefully you have learned something - that is "Say no to hos!!!!

If the man doesn't set the agenda and the girl doesn't follow then you are inevitably doomed! From what you told me this girl is dangerous and the question is "what attracts you to these kind of women?" Until you answer that you will fall into the trap again!!

You said she was a player and yet you had feelings for a player and got burned. She is a liar and you let the lies go without repercussions only because it didn't afffect you personally. Now you find out she is a liar and a cheat - every liar is a cheater!!!

Every one excuses a liar as long as the lie doesn't involve them - but the reality is a liar is a liar and you are no one special to be excused from her deceit! "She won't lie to me", you say - WRONG!!

Never have 'feelings' / get emotional over a hor! This will lead to self destruction! If you play with fire you will get burned!! No one is exempt from universal laws!!
Your right bro, you said it best when you said right when I fall out of favor with her, she'll show me her true self, as a liar and deceiver.

I really thought I'd be a wreck, but I think since I'm ending it on my terms, I'm feeling relief.

She called me today, of course I didn't pick up. She left a really nice message in her sweet tone of voice. I guess she quit one of her 3 jobs, so she says "I'll have a lot more time for you now." LOL She invited me to come into her work and watch the basketball game at the bar. The nerve of this byatch!!!

Oh well, I decided that I'm not even going to tell her I want to end things. I'm just going to ignore her calls and she'll get the clue in a couple of days that I'm not mad at her, I just never want to talk to her again. Why should I give her the respect of "knowing," when she never gave me that respect. I constantly told her that if she wants to see other people and date that I'd totally understand. How'd she respond. By saying, "I don't want to hook-up with anyone else, I only want to be with you." Yeah sure, another lie. So let me get this straight. You don't want to be called my gf, but you don't want me to hook-up with other people? Ok that makes perfect sense.

Only thing that will be interesting to see is August. We are going on a cruise with a bunch of people and she'll be there. I know I'll be TOTALLY over it by then, but none the less it will be interesting to see what arises.


Thanks PRL, you really have helped me out a lot. I'm excited to getting back to me and taking care of myself.


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Knowing tha truth brings a sense of wel being - it is better knowing who you are with early in the relationship instead of finding out that she was a cheat a year later and being her fool.

Don't even tell her what you know - just tell her that you don't trust her because she is not deserving of such trust and that she is a liar on all things!

Dude, your bggest clue that this ho was playing you was when she said "let's wait until August to be b/f g/f - but in the meantime I don't want you to see other women. HUH???" She said this because she wanted to get screwed by other dudes until the summer was over!!

Actually there was another thread out here this week where a girl said the exact same thing to a fellow DJ - she wanted to date him after the summmer was over.

Don't let these hors disrespect you by letting them dictate the agenda and following their terms!

They want you to wait like a puppy by their side because they know that you are desperate to be with them and this gives them complete control of your behavior and actions - you have been assigned the weaker position!! You have become the woman and she has become the man!! Don't ever allow this - women will never respect you for being weak and subservient to them!!!
 

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yo i read the first paragraph of yourr scenario and i saw that you were messing around with a girl that had a bf. bad news, im not sure what other people have said but i would go to the next one.

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Originally posted by jbbrain
out of curiosity:

are u 2 exclusive?

Is it possible she's seeing/banging somebody else on the side?

Would it matter to you?

dont give PR LOVER ALLLLLL the credit:

To be honest, I knew this chick was bad news from the start of your thread. I had the feeling she was playing the field.

Good for you to get rid of a liar. Now dont be coaxed into "meeting her" or to get her "side" of the story. None of that matters now. What only matters now is your piece of mind and your confidence to rebound from a situation like this and carry on with your life.

C'est la vie.


PS-I wouldnt date for a while now. Go back to your player days. You'll feel great.
 

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Originally posted by jbbrain
dont give PR LOVER ALLLLLL the credit:

To be honest, I knew this chick was bad news from the start of your thread. I had the feeling she was playing the field.

Good for you to get rid of a liar. Now dont be coaxed into "meeting her" or to get her "side" of the story. None of that matters now. What only matters now is your piece of mind and your confidence to rebound from a situation like this and carry on with your life.

C'est la vie.


PS-I wouldnt date for a while now. Go back to your player days. You'll feel great.
Hey jb. Out of interest, how r things with your girl (x)? Send me a PM if u want.
 

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