How to Spot a DJ

[KarmaSutra]

You know, for someone who claims to be "drunk" you're awfully sound grammatically.

I call shenanigans on you being "drunk".

Makes one wonder how full of sh!t you are in other areas . . .

 

[iqqi]

You know, for someone who claims to be "drunk" you're awfully sound grammatically.

I call shenanigans on you being "drunk".

Makes one wonder how full of sh!t you are in other areas . . .

I don't give a fuuuuuuVck.

Thanks however. I am pretty sound. Its because I wasn't drinking whiskey. I am damn drunk tho.

However I think you missed an important part of my previoous post:

Get OFF MY NUTS

 

[KarmaSutra]

However I think you missed an important part of my previoous post:

I'm phony and you caught me

No I didn't.

 

[Mistic]

Good follow up Mistic.

I've said it before. No one is willing to go as deep into the core issues as KX. I can't image you running out of stuff to talk about when you hitting on girls. Always inciteful.

 

[Señor Fingers]

Yes, many of us have some, or many of the qualities you list, but I have read stuff from even our most respected posters that falls short.

Oh yeah.. present company included. I've already admitted that I got some red on my game.. it's part of being human.

Perhaps guys like you might prejudge an idea without trying it, and pass it off as speculation. Where in fact you may be the one speculating that it wont work. Do you see the contradiction?

There is no contradiction at all because speculation BORES me. I'd much rather try sh!t out for myself than come to a rhetorical conclusion.

A bit of a contradiction here. Many great discoveries from people like say, Einstein begin with theoretical calculations, and are then field tested for value.

I bolded the important part. A lot of guys here have the theory part down to a science. They are kings of a hypothetical world where everything operates by their universal laws (which have not been tested!).

Meaning means utility.

In what dictionary??

mean·ing (mnng)
n.
1. Something that is conveyed or signified; sense or significance.
2. Something that one wishes to convey, especially by language
3. An interpreted goal, intent, or end
4. Inner significance:

All of the rest of your arguments are based on a flawed definition, so I wont bother picking them apart.

Refusal to grow up??? Now you sound like a bitter parent who is trying to convince his child to "grow the fvck up."

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any bitterness in my posts, heck some of you think I am too sunshiney and happy. I'm amused by your misinterpretation

What does growing up mean? It means you have conformed to the society, to the crowd. You have joined the Matrix and lost all that life really has to offer. You no longer play. You no longer enjoy. Now you just do what is expected of you. You are a dead person. A grown up is just a miserable person waiting to die.

Yikes! Now I understand even better why maturity scares so many people. All your assessments are fear-based and you don't cover one positive aspect of adulthood. Take a look here at what growing up is REALLY about.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=140546

Scroll down to the "Virtues of Youth" part to see how mistaken you are.

 

[Señor Fingers]

In essence the only reason this forum and the mainsite was created was to learn how to get laid and by any means necessary at that.

Manipulation? honesty?? it doesn't matter, do what works and what you feel comfortable with to acheive your goal.

You are spot on my friend. Especially that last bit. It's all about having goals and working towards them. You start out having objectives like "getting laid" and "being a player" and in my book, those are honorable goals we should all be achieving at some point in our lives.

But what happens when you finally achieve? You enjoy the high life for a while, but over time it's just not enough, we need to strive for something more, or life becomes stagnant.

To be a DJ ie a Don Juan you are a player like the real Don Juan who the site was named after and your goal is to get more ass than a toilet seat using whatever means necessary be they laced with deception or honesty. Again whatever works.

I think the use of Don Juan here is just a euphemism. If we really wanted to emulate the original Don of folklore, then we would need to seduce (and sometimes rape) girls of noble origin and then kill their fathers. How far do you want to take the original meaning?

This is why there are all these arguments about morals and all this crap on the Sosuave forums all the time because guys keep arguing about DJ's and morals, real men and what it means to be a real man or a real DJ and all that confusing stuff.

It's only confusing if you don't understand what YOU are after. For me it has always been crystal clear. I came here wanting to figure out why I always bombed out with girls that I really liked. Eventually I unlocked my potential and the goal shifted to becoming a player, which I thoroughly enjoyed for a few years.

But then that got old and my goals shifted again.

THIS is what I mean by growing up, simple evolution and a progression of a life unfolding naturally.

The true solution is to seperate the two and put them in their proper order.

I thought we kind of already did that with the MM forum.

A true DJ is a player who will use whatever techniques or tactics that are necessary to get laid and have girls all over his jock. He is essentially a playboy that will usually never ever EVER settle down.

Maybe you are right in the classical definition of Don Juan... but I always thought of what you described as being more PUA than DJ. Again, this is really a subjective argument which opens the whole "what is a DJ" can of worms.

The DJ's idea of self improvement is to never stop learning new ways and techniques to get laid as well how to keep his body and mind desireable to women. Make no mistake this does not mean he is making himself a slave to the pvssy no. Rather he seeks to become a master of it.

^^ Very well put!

But to me thats only half of the puzzle. Before you can truly master the poon, you must become a master of yourself. To play this game well requires you to be in top form, socially, emotionally and intellectually. This is why the DJ way of life does not revolve around ass.. it is actually a byproduct of you being irresistably attractive because of the person that you are, and all the other things you bring to the table, aside from your seduction skills.

You can choose to use this forum's knowledge base to become either a real man or a DJ and you can find great success with women being either one but when you try to combine the two problems arise and arguments start because these two ways of being are like mixing oil and water.

I think arguments only stem from an inflated sense of self-importance. People take themselves and their views too serious to keep emotions from running high and that is how a respectable debate degenerates into a pissing contest.

Personally I don't agree with everything you write, but I have utmost respect for your intent and convictions. You are obviously a smart dude and with mutual humility we can learn from each other.

 

[TheHumanist]

To give some easily identifiable examples I hope without offending anyone here are two posters and their status on the forum and how they use this place in my estimation.

Str8up- DJ ie a Don Juan in the full sense and true meaning of the term he is here to attain more knowledge of how to maximize his potential at getting laid, get some insight into situations he finds himself in, tell some great stories and share a few laughs. Couldn't really care less about morals. He is here to follow in the real Don Juan's footsteps. Takes what some might consider to be a cynical or pessimistic mysanthropic view towards life but unbenownst to his critics he is not damaged by the way he views his life but is instead empowered by it and finds it extremely positive.

Jophil- Real Man ie he is here to not only prop up the moral integrity filled way of living life but learn how to best identify only the most quality of women (by his fellow moral posters standards) to have long term or short term relationships with. Posters with this mindset tend to be highly judgemental of the true DJ's finding their lifestyle to be negative, disgusting and innappropriate. They tend to make many posts about how the forum is going down the drain because of all of the (perceived) negativity of the true DJ's on it. Not saying Jophil personally has done this but the posters of this mindset have been doing it quite a lot lately rather than embracing the live and let live mentality.

What I think...

These types would not come into conflict, you would not have 20 page ketostix Vs. Latinoman Vs. Rollo Vs. Str8up, Vs. Iqqi Vs. Jophil, Vs. Macavoy morality debates if the posters here identified themselves as being a DJ in the true sense of the term or being the opposite ie those with a moralistic bent to the knowledge contained within the site.

I think it boils down to Libertine or Puritan.

I would consider myself, Str8up and ketostix Libertines ie DJ's in the real sense of the word as in we follow after the real Don Juan's way of life ie getting what you want at all costs.

While the puritans ie real men ie moral men Jophil, Fingz and others follow a more moralistic approach to the knowledge contained here.

Without these clearly established labels we all are stuck arguing over what it means to be a DJ and arguing about the forum descending into positivity or negativity.

With clearly established labels and DJ getting back its proper meaning on the forum and real men getting their own identification we can view eachother's posts in the proper and intended context rather than remaining at perpetual war with one another dragging the quality of the forum down in so doing.

This was much better worded than your previous indeed and it makes sense, the source of why there is such a huge disagreements betweem the two sides. Though I have to point out that if both sides are right, it would nice if a commonground to be found instead of one side saying wrong crowd and the other saying deep thinkers. To me, all it does it make sure that one side have to be right and the other wrong and frankly, if one have to be right, I leaning to the idea of there is a place of morals and ethics in life and really dislike the idea that having a system of morals is being brainwashed (though conformity is a different thing).

 

[TheHumanist]

double post.

 

[LeComteDeMonteCristo]

LOL no you can't, anyone can boast and post nonsense on a forum, it's words on a screen. Unless someone puts up videos or decent photos then it's all just conjecture. I think the same rule of thumb applies with everything; take what's useful, discard what's not, simple.

MM

Ironically your posts reek of Keyboard Jockeying. Exactly the kind of clown to ignore.

And yes it is that obvious.

 

[STR8UP]

The way I see it is that the mating game is a no holds barred cage fight, disguised with a thin veil that society has created to make everything seem romantic.

I'm not about getting laid at all costs. Hell, to tell you the truth, these days I don't even enjoy sex all that much. I don't pursue women per se, because I don't have "goals" with women. I'm not just out to get laid, and I'm not on a mission to find a wife.

This isn't to say that I don't put any effort into gaming women I find attractive, and I'm not opposed to a relationship. I'm just not going out of my way to "approach at least 10 women every week" and such. If it happens, it happens.

I don't subscribe to a "morals be damned" attitude. Like I said, I wouldn't touch a buddys girl. I simply realize the game for what it is, and IT'S NOT THAT SERIOUS.

Yea, making babies and raising a family is a big responsibility, but all in all people are entirely too serious about romantic relationships. They come and go. The vast majority of them END at some point before death. People cheat, and it's not just for selfish, hedonistic reasons.....biology DOES influence each and every one of us in regards to this.

Why does everyone take it so seriously?

I was talking to a friend of mine awhile back about the possibility of actually dating the 22 yr old chick that was supposed to move into town, and I expressed my concern that it wouldn't really be right for me to enter into that sort of arrangement knowing full well that it would never become anything permanent. He basically said "You know, pretty much all relationships end anyway. Just do it. Have fun and enjoy it for what it is and when the time comes for it to end, you part ways and move on".

This really rang true and gave me some much needed perspective. I had been getting better over the years, but it was then that I realized I just need to take it for what it is and not take it too seriously.

 

[iqqi]

The way I see it is that the mating game is a no holds barred cage fight, disguised with a thin veil that society has created to make everything seem romantic...

Well if you keep going into it like it is a boxing match, is it no wonder you keep getting sucker punched?

A DJ mentality would save you from unnecessary "fights". If you go in afraid that you might lose (in a fight, someone wins, someone loses), then you are going in with fear, and without the ability to just have fun and enjoy the RIDE.

It is a RIDE, not a fight. A DANCE, not a battle.

However, it also is what you make it. Want to fight? You'll draw someone to you worthy of battle, I'm sure. Probably won't be the most healthy relationship. I've had a couple of those.

 

[Mistic]

Oh yeah.. present company included. I've already admitted that I got some red on my game.. it's part of being human.

I never argued with that. But it's interesting that even though you acknowledge that, you defend your posts as if they are completely unflawed.

In what dictionary??

mean·ing (mnng)
n.
3. An interpreted goal, intent, or end

Main Entry: 1 util·i·ty

1: fitness for some purpose or worth to some end

You could have looked this up before posting. Notice how both utility and meaning both emphasize having an END result. It means that it is operating under a determined outcome. Life does not have a determined outcome. You may want it to. But try make a life plan and see what happens to your plan. :crackup:

Same goes for goal setting, which seems to have value on the surface. But the reality about goal setting is that is is an effort made by a person to control an outcome. It is a control freaks method for trying to get results. It is not based in being present in the moment. It is a fear based effort dressed up in a positive skin. Did Yoda, or Neo, or Indians Jones, or James Bond, or whoever people hear aspire to set goals? No, they believed in themselves and there ability to respond to each moment life brings. That is all

Yikes! Now I understand even better why maturity scares so many people. All your assessments are fear-based and you don't cover one positive aspect of adulthood. Take a look here at what growing up is REALLY about.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=140546

Scroll down to the "Virtues of Youth" part to see how mistaken you are.

Your virtues of youth and related material is on point. Interesting that you dont see that this is exactly my attitude about it. However, I had to comment on these passages from the same post.

Compare that to modern life as we all climb into the same drab, square boxes day after day and repeat the same tasks over and over to a soundtrack of deafening monotony. Is it any wonder why something deep inside tells us that something is wrong?

Sorry, I dont live in that reality, which may account for our differences in understanding.

After SoSuave
• Beautiful women are trifling brats with no scruples
• Negs + C&F x Push / Pull = Poon
• Everyone loves a bad boy
• Compliments are for suckers
• Call her exactly XX days later or you will die alone and sexless!

Interesting that what you learned after sosuave is a bunch of repetitive, PUA minded principals. But you advocate FRESH ideas? :crazy:

Look bro, I have no bone to pick with you. But when you make a thread telling people who and what to believe, and I see aspects of your posts that I dont advocate, I am going to say something about it. It is what keeps us all in check.

 

[Señor Fingers]

I never argued with that. But it's interesting that even though you acknowledge that, you defend your posts as if they are completely unflawed.

Make a better argument than my own words out of context and semantic games or I will simply agree to disagree (now there's a novel idea!)

 

[comic_relief]

Same goes for goal setting, which seems to have value on the surface. But the reality about goal setting is that is is an effort made by a person to control an outcome. It is a control freaks method for trying to get results. It is not based in being present in the moment. It is a fear based effort dressed up in a positive skin. Did Yoda, or Neo, or Indians Jones, or James Bond, or whoever people hear aspire to set goals? No, they believed in themselves and there ability to respond to each moment life brings. That is all

WHAT!!! Each one of the people had a definite goal even if they didn't say it.

• "Indians Jones" - Get the prize before the bad guys gets it
• Yoda - make Luke Skywalker a jedi/preserve and teach the jedi order
• Neo - Unplug people from the Matrix

I personally have one hundred goals to keep my mind on the prize of becoming a motivational speaker.

The purpose of goals is to give you an idea of what you want to do. It's the framework of how you want to do in your life, but it doesn't control my life (and is subject to change as situation warrants it).

The importance is to have a goal to reach, without one you shuffle through life without an aim or meaning to it. These are the people that are easily controllable.

With a goal, a person will at least have something to strive for.

Out of curiousity, what are you here for?

comic_relief

 

[KontrollerX]

Thanks for the reply Str8up.

I PMed Str8up to get his take because I wanted to know if I was off base with my DJ definition or not.

From Str8up's response it seems I got it half right but still he may not of been the best example to use for it and besides it probably wasn't as well constructed as it should've been by me so apologies Str8up.

In anycase I still feel like there are two warring factions on Sosuave and the answer to end the war for good I still believe is to clearly define the two different types of mindsets here and then as Humanist said work to find a common ground where both groups can be right and respected in their own way.

 

[Mistic]

Make a better argument than my own words out of context and semantic games or I will simply agree to disagree (now there's a novel idea!)

Fair enough. And I didn't intend for your thread to get this far of topic. We could go on about all this for a long time. But I certainly have better things to do. So I will rest my case unless you have the need to flesh anything out further.

 

[Mistic]

The purpose of goals is to give you an idea of what you want to do.The importance is to have a goal to reach, without one you shuffle through life without an aim or meaning to it. These are the people that are easily controllable.

With a goal, a person will at least have something to strive for.

Out of curiousity, what are you here for?

comic_relief

Let me first say that you are dealing with a person who's business is to help retail stores and other businesses set goals. I fully understand what the purpose of goal setting is about.

But you also need to understand that I speak from a Zen mindset. In Zen the goal is NOW. Any goals set for outcomes in the future are future orientated. The future is an illusion, hence goals have little value to someone like me.

It is only when I dont set goals that the real magic of life happens. But this life style takes absolute trust. Goals bring security. You know where you are, where you're headed, and how you are tracking. This is not trust in life, this is control.

Goals make sense for a business, but not for a person.

Why am I here? To bring a fresh perspective perhaps.

Peace

 

[TheHumanist]

Let me first say that you are dealing with a person who's business is to help retail stores and other businesses set goals. I fully understand what the purpose of goal setting is about.

But you also need to understand that I speak from a Zen mindset. In Zen the goal is NOW. Any goals set for outcomes in the future are future orientated. The future is an illusion, hence goals have little value to someone like me.

It is only when I dont set goals that the real magic of life happens. But this life style takes absolute trust. Goals bring security. You know where you are, where you're headed, and how you are tracking. This is not trust in life, this is control.

Goals make sense for a business, but not for a person.

Why am I here? To bring a fresh perspective perhaps.

Peace

Interesting. There is no place for goal setting for a person? What do you mean goals for now? Trusting life? Do you mean you let life take you? Or do you mean something else? For me, goal setting is part of the central thinking to reaching dreams. Perhaps you are defining goals as a different thing (we'll find out when you respond), but to me, goals are setting an aim to reach dreams (which are the ultimate goals). I remember a speaker a long time ago who advocated goal setting to a weekend retreat of Rotarians and that have became one of my standards to how I want to live. Hard to imagine following an ambition or achieving a dream without setting it as a goal to reach. Can you elaborate on this zen?

 

[sam3083]

Nice stuff all round guys. This is why I come to this site still.

Even though we nearly lost it there on the second page, the discussion has picked up once again.

It's of great value to me to be able to see your; thoughts, beliefs, and insults, lol.

Personally, I'm over the 'DJ' and 'man' thing. I am myself, and dynamic. Screw the limitations of defining yourself. Prehaps if you had called the thread 'How to spot good advice" Fingz, alot of the fluff could have been avoided.
But nevertheless, let the discussion continue!

 

[Señor Fingers]

In anycase I still feel like there are two warring factions on Sosuave and the answer to end the war for good I still believe is to clearly define the two different types of mindsets here and then as Humanist said work to find a common ground where both groups can be right and respected in their own way.

That common ground is "Being Good With Women".

Regardless of what philosophies you subscribe to, both camps should really be focusing on this theme (either via seduction techniques or deeper inner game issues), instead of developing chips on the shoulders and letting these silly grudge matches spill into otherwise productive threads.

The real key is to ignore these cries for attention. There have been a couple in this very thread, but I don't even acknowledge them. I'd much rather kick ideas around with dudes like yourself and Mistic than have to watch the same drama unfold, clogging threads up like a giant turd.

There also needs to be more of a balance of perspectives (and tolerance for dissension). I'd be delighted to see a lot less ranting/debating and more actual GAME, be it through tested techniques or maybe some insight on higher dynamics at play.

The folks that come here to have 12-page arguments and treat this place like their personal reality show need to find a way to better direct all that energy into something productive.