KontrollerX said:
In essence the only reason this forum and the mainsite was created was to learn how to get laid and by any means necessary at that.
Manipulation? honesty?? it doesn't matter, do what works and what you feel comfortable with to acheive your goal.
You are spot on my friend. Especially that last bit. It's all about having goals and working towards them. You start out having objectives like "getting laid" and "being a player" and in my book, those are honorable goals we should all be achieving at some point in our lives.
But what happens when you finally achieve? You enjoy the high life for a while, but over time it's just not enough, we need to strive for something more, or life becomes stagnant.
To be a DJ ie a Don Juan you are a player like the real Don Juan who the site was named after and your goal is to get more ass than a toilet seat using whatever means necessary be they laced with deception or honesty. Again whatever works.
I think the use of Don Juan here is just a euphemism. If we really wanted to emulate the original Don of folklore, then we would need to seduce (and sometimes rape) girls of noble origin and then kill their fathers. How far do you want to take the original meaning?
This is why there are all these arguments about morals and all this crap on the Sosuave forums all the time because guys keep arguing about DJ's and morals, real men and what it means to be a real man or a real DJ and all that confusing stuff.
It's only confusing if you don't understand what YOU are after. For me it has always been crystal clear. I came here wanting to figure out why I always bombed out with girls that I really liked. Eventually I unlocked my potential and the goal shifted to becoming a player, which I thoroughly enjoyed for a few years.
But then that got old and my goals shifted again.
THIS is what I mean by growing up, simple evolution and a progression of a life unfolding naturally.
The true solution is to seperate the two and put them in their proper order.
I thought we kind of already did that with the MM forum.
A true DJ is a player who will use whatever techniques or tactics that are necessary to get laid and have girls all over his jock. He is essentially a playboy that will usually never ever EVER settle down.
Maybe you are right in the classical definition of Don Juan... but I always thought of what you described as being more PUA than DJ. Again, this is really a subjective argument which opens the whole "what is a DJ" can of worms.
The DJ's idea of self improvement is to never stop learning new ways and techniques to get laid as well how to keep his body and mind desireable to women. Make no mistake this does not mean he is making himself a slave to the pvssy no. Rather he seeks to become a master of it.
^^ Very well put!
But to me thats only half of the puzzle. Before you can truly master the poon, you must become a master of yourself. To play this game well requires you to be in top form, socially, emotionally and intellectually. This is why the DJ way of life does not revolve around ass.. it is actually a byproduct of you being irresistably attractive because of the person that you are, and all the other things you bring to the table, aside from your seduction skills.
You can choose to use this forum's knowledge base to become either a real man or a DJ and you can find great success with women being either one but when you try to combine the two problems arise and arguments start because these two ways of being are like mixing oil and water.
I think arguments only stem from an inflated sense of self-importance. People take themselves and their views too serious to keep emotions from running high and that is how a respectable debate degenerates into a pissing contest.
Personally I don't agree with everything you write, but I have utmost respect for your intent and convictions. You are obviously a smart dude and with mutual humility we can learn from each other.
