How to Spot a DJ

[iqqi]

I believe that if anybody can take one thing of advice from this entire forum is to realize that you are responsible for your own problems.

This does many things such as take you out of a victim mentality to a more proactive stance where you can change your life.

comic_relief

Yessir.

I hate the "woe is me, women are out to get us all" mentality on here. I hate it from women I know to. I know it is hard after you just got your heart torn out and stomped on, but after months, hell years, it is time to move on and grow up and realize that you had something to do with it. Even if it was just the mistake of choosing the wrong person to love... that can be the most fatal mistake of all.

And it goes right back to you. Knowing thyself. If something is wrong inside of you, most likely it will manifest itself in the form of the no-good partner you choose. Without you even realizing it. I mean, why should you, when you can just blame someone else?

 

[Mistic]

I have my doubts that there are any 100% legit absolute DJ's on this forum. Yes, many of us have some, or many of the qualities you list, but I have read stuff from even our most respected posters that falls short.

As an example, I will elaborate briefly on some of your topics here that falls short.

Flexibility
• Open-minded towards all subjects and people (live and let live).
• Worthless, generalized ideas based on theoretical calculations.

A bit of a contradiction here. Many great discoveries from people like say, Einstein begin with theoretical calculations, and are then field tested for value. Everything was theory at one time. There are guys out there right now who would never believe some of the stuff we talk about, and pass it off as theory. Perhaps guys like you might prejudge an idea without trying it, and pass it off as speculation. Where in fact you may be the one speculating that it wont work. Do you see the contradiction?

Originality
• Fresh ideas which spring from a life with purpose and meaning.

Now this statement is so fundamentally flawed, I could post half a book explaining why. But, in short I'll do my best to do it quickly and clearly.

First thing to be understood is Life has no meaning. Life is more than meaning. Meaning means utility. An airplane has meaning, a car has meaning. They operate with a particular function with a certain end result. You press the pedal, you go. You hit the break, you stop. There was meaning, a reason you hit the break - because you needed to stop.

But tell me, what is the meaning of a rainbow? What is the purpose of a sunset? Life is far beyond meaning. So now your contradiction.

"Fresh Ideas, that spring from meaning and purpose." Fresh ideas cannot come from meaning and purpose, because meaning is a closed concept. You hit the break, you stop. It had purpose, it has no need for improvement, end of story. There is no different or better way to do it.

Now a real fresh idea can only come about in the spirit of carefree play. That is what all the great geniuses did. They played. Einstein played the violin to get inspiration for math. He came up with the THEORY of relativity while playing with his friend at a children's park.

• Recycled ideas and repetitive posts, rooted in obsession and a refusal to grow the f*ck up.

Refusal to grow up??? Now you sound like a bitter parent who is trying to convince his child to "grow the fvck up." What does growing up mean?

It means you have conformed to the society, to the crowd. You have joined the Matrix and lost all that life really has to offer. You no longer play. You no longer enjoy. Now you just do what is expected of you. You are a dead person. A grown up is just a miserable person waiting to die.

And how can a dead person have fresh ideas? He cannot. He can only use recycled ideas, and repeat what he has learned from other grown ups. And when he hears a genuine fresh idea, he passes it off as theory. HMM

So fresh ideas can only come from the refusal to grow up. The refusal to conform. The refusal to follow the crowd.

I hope you understand what I am saying, and understand that I am not attacking you, but I am attacking this Matrix mindset that is coming through you, of which you are likely unaware.

 

[iqqi]

^^^^ I don't think you get it at all.



As far as the last thing you said, growing up means taking responsibility for yourSELF.

That, and everything else you said, seems so completely based off of your own viewpoints, and not what the OP said.

 

[MikeYikes122]

I agree with iqqi, Mistic. I don't think you get it completely, either.

I have my doubts that there are any 100% legit absolute DJ's on this forum. Yes, many of us have some, or many of the qualities you list, but I have read stuff from even our most respected posters that falls short.

How do you define 100% legit, absolute DJs?

Before I get into my post, I have to mention that 100% True Legit Absolute DJs sounds like a rap group from the 80s.

Anyway, there are tons of guys on here who probably are "true DJs" in that they attract women - and understand them - and enjoy life, and I can usually pick out these posters by the the tone of their posts. I'm not going to name names because that is a practice that I don't want to get into, but there are plenty.

Granted, everyone has setbacks now and then. Even the some of the most successful guys on this site have rough patches. I know I do. I can sometimes go through ruts where I'm just busy with work, stressed out, and not enjoying life at all. My posts are probably reflective of that.

A bit of a contradiction here. Many great discoveries from people like say, Einstein begin with theoretical calculations, and are then field tested for value. Everything was theory at one time. There are guys out there right now who would never believe some of the stuff we talk about, and pass it off as theory. Perhaps guys like you might prejudge an idea without trying it, and pass it off as speculation. Where in fact you may be the one speculating that it wont work. Do you see the contradiction?

I don't you think understand Senor.

What he means is, a DJ doesn't sit on these forums and bash other people who hold beliefs different from their own. A non-DJ is uptight and not accepting of other viewpoints. Instead, he is more concerned about other people and their actions than his own.

Live and Let Live was a great catchphrase that summed his whole point up.

The rest of your post is just a lot of philosophical talk about your own personal viewpoints. The meaning of life - or meaning at all - might be an interesting subject for a thread on the AE forum, but none of that has much relevance to Senor's post.

 

[Mistic]

I agree with iqqi, Mistic. I don't think you get it completely, either.

I get what he was getting at. Anyone of intelligence can understand his underlying premise. I chose to elaborate on some contradictions I found in hs post.

How do you define 100% legit, absolute DJs?

Well, if you are basing your model on guys like Don Juan and Casanova, then you should understand that these guys were like kids playing in a candy store. Their approach was completely lighthearted and non-serious. They didn't talk about stupid things like growing up and becoming a real man, blah blah. They were too busy having fun with the whole thing. And that is something that this forum, and the general atmosphere is missing here at times.

The rest of your post is just a lot of philosophical talk about your own personal viewpoints. The meaning of life - or meaning at all - might be an interesting subject for a thread on the AE forum, but none of that has much relevance to Senor's post.

1. It's not my own viewpoints, it is the truth.

2. It has relevance because he brought it up.

 

[iqqi]

Before I get into my post, I have to mention that 100% True Legit Absolute DJs sounds like a rap group from the 80s.

HAHHAHA, this made me want to rep you.

I love MikeYikes sometimes.

 

[Mistic]

HAHHAHA, this made me want to rep you.

I love MikeYikes sometimes.

I agree.

"I dont care if someone disagrees with me as long as they are funny."

 

[iqqi]

I agree.

"I dont care if someone disagrees with me as long as they are funny."

"Laughter is the shortest bridge between two people".

 

[KontrollerX]

Mistic has pretty much got it right.

In essence the only reason this forum and the mainsite was created was to learn how to get laid and by any means necessary at that.

Manipulation? honesty?? it doesn't matter, do what works and what you feel comfortable with to acheive your goal.

Once the true DJ stage is through if a man ever wants to leave that stage and get into relationships or get married if he has the desire to do so he should do some inner game work ie the work of becoming a real man which Victory Unlimited and Interceptor posts can help a man acheive.

We on the forum kind of got it twisted.

To be a DJ ie a Don Juan you are a player like the real Don Juan who the site was named after and your goal is to get more ass than a toilet seat using whatever means necessary be they laced with deception or honesty. Again whatever works.

To be a real man is a completely seperate thing as being a real man means you have morals and integrity that guide your actions and a view that relationships where love, emotions, hopes and dreams are exchanged is far more preferable than being a DJ ie a player. You are also honest to a fault.

This is why there are all these arguments about morals and all this crap on the Sosuave forums all the time because guys keep arguing about DJ's and morals, real men and what it means to be a real man or a real DJ and all that confusing stuff.

The true solution is to seperate the two and put them in their proper order.

A true DJ is a player who will use whatever techniques or tactics that are necessary to get laid and have girls all over his jock. He is essentially a playboy that will usually never ever EVER settle down.

A real man has morals and integrity, is guided by them and prefers relationships and committment over what he views to be meaningless sexual encounters.

The DJ's idea of self improvement is to never stop learning new ways and techniques to get laid as well how to keep his body and mind desireable to women. Make no mistake this does not mean he is making himself a slave to the pvssy no. Rather he seeks to become a master of it.

The real man's way of self improvement is to adhere to his morals and integrity as much as possible, keep his mind and body in good shape so that not only is he pleasing to a potential mate but more importantly can complete his work and remain strong to help others should he find himself with the opportunity to do so.

You can choose to use this forum's knowledge base to become either a real man or a DJ and you can find great success with women being either one but when you try to combine the two problems arise and arguments start because these two ways of being are like mixing oil and water.

The true DJ has no committment to any woman or any person. He shuns morals and integrity. His first duties are to himself and his desires. He sees the world as it is. He will fvck anyone that meets his fancy and is willing and will toss her away like a used kleenex when he is ready to move on to another.

The real man commits to one woman and his morals and integrity for the rest of his life.

We have had great oldschool teachers trying to combine these two forever but the real man and the DJ will never truly mix.

And this is why certain posters over time and years here have found contradictions in Pook and Fingerz's works and given them and others trouble over the contradictions.

Pook and fingz meant well in trying to combine the two different types of men but it just doesn't work.

A real DJ is a sex machine.

A real man is looking for his queen.

Not in an AFC sense mind you but there it is.

 

[iqqi]

And this is why certain posters over time and years here have found contradictions in Pook and Fingerz's works and given them and others trouble over the contradictions...

I would say the real reason for this is the "contenders to the throne" phenomenon.

I also disagree with most of your post, but gotsta go! It's Friday night...!

 

[KarmaSutra]

I would say the real reason for this is the "contenders to the throne" phenomenon.

Or is it underlying jealousy and ignorance?

I also disagree with most of your post, but gotsta go! It's Friday night...!

No you don't. You just want a quick jab at Brother KX which is an act in futility and desperation.

It's Friday night but you'll be sitting behind your machine jacking your pud to porn anyway.

 

[KontrollerX]

You know I was going to return your trollishness with a troll of my own but instead I'll answer you seriously and productively iqqi.

I think Pook and Fingz work will remain relevant for as long as this site exists. In fact last night on another forum I told this guy he needed to read Weapons of Mass Seduction as he was a huge AFC. The dude was overjoyed with what he had read that was freeing his mind after only a few pages but anyway I think this is how new recruits need to approach their Sosuave journey...

Read Fingz and Pook's epic works. They get you on your way and thoroughly unplug you from AFC mentality.

Then after you have their knowledge of how to land hot babes and have some belief in yourself move on to VU and Interceptor and Rollo Tomassi posts to shore up and overcome any inner game issues you might have or deal with in the future if you don't deal with them now.

So I think someone who just finds the site and truly wants to change their life from the inside out has a lot of reading to do but it is all worth it and Pook and Fingz at first are an absolute must as they simply provide a great introductory guide out of AFCdom that is incredibly easy to read and understand.

 

[TheHumanist]

In Sosuave, there seems to be at least two forms of what a DJ should be.

Which is it (I know you just define it, but bear with me)?

One image of the DJ is basically what the list of photo1's thread which follow's Pook, Finger's, and others agree. The DJ is the good man who enjoys life so well and having so much fun, woman come in and out but he will not fret and make the best he finds.

When I read Interceptor's and VU's posts, it seems they support that view (despite that you point differently).

Well I guess you support the real man idea anyways so this is just sematics, but DJ seems to follow's photo1's definition alot more than your own. Well in true definition, a DJ is what you said, but in SoSuave, the connotation and even denotation is defined and used differently here.


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As for contradictions and so on, how does Mistic's post show the confusion of the true DJ? It doesn't show he trying to contend the throne of pook/fingers either. All it looks like to me for a person who pointed out some contradictatory points from his interpretation of what fingers said.



Mistic argument is debatable. Stating, "There is no meaning to life" is a statement that does belong in the realm of philosophy, biology, and religion... and even in biology, which I believe where Mistic got that statement is debatable (one biologist could state that the meaning in life is to spread your genes for example rather than no meaning). I can also counter that new fresh idea can also come fron purpose, it call neccesity, surely you heard that old quote...

 

[Mistic]

He shuns morals and integrity. He sees the world as it is.

Or rather, he is beyond morals, as morals are designed for the mundane moral majority. He does not identify with what other people expect. Thus he is not a gentleman, or a grown up. He is just himself, and that self just happens to be good with women.

 

[TheHumanist]

Or rather, he is beyond morals, as morals are designed for the mundane moral majority. He does not identify with what other people expect. Thus he is not a gentleman, or a grown up. He is just himself, and that self just happens to be good with women.

What you said avoid can be interpreted in many ways, like you just saying he is not a conformist and do what he wants but still do acts of good rather than hurting others. If you don't meant that, then...

So morals are for the sheep? There no place for the self of being good (just to cover my grounds, good as in good actions, not in the religous evil and religious good). For a person to be the self, he cannot have a set boundary learned from experience and life of a sense in being a person of being a grown up or a gentleman (to also cover my grounds, when I said grown up, I mean a person who don't have a childish mentality of entitlement which I bet what fingers mean too and gentlement is the genuine (not fake or the super nice doormat thing) desire to be friendly).

 

[Mistic]

What you said avoid can be interpreted in many ways, like you just saying he is not a conformist and do what he wants but still do acts of good rather than hurting others. If you don't meant that, then...

So morals are for the sheep? There no place for the self of being good (just to cover my grounds, good as in good actions, not in the religous evil and religious good). For a person to be the self, he cannot have a set boundary learned from experience and life of a sense in being a person of being a grown up or a gentleman (to also cover my grounds, when I said grown up, I mean a person who don't have a childish mentality of entitlement which I bet what fingers mean too and gentlement is the genuine (not fake or the super nice doormat thing) desire to be friendly).

It seems English is your second language, and I'm sure it is as difficult for you to explain yourself as it is for me to understand you.

Let me ask you

1. What do you consider a childish mentality?

A childs mentality is a fantastic thing. Not a fake garbage mentality that most adults have. A child is real. Immature is different than childish.

2. What is moral?

Doing what other people have decided is appropriate? I believe in self discovered behaviors, rather than imposed ones, which is normally what morals are.

 

[TheHumanist]

I'm going to assume "second language" was meant as difficulty in what I said rather than an insult. English is my second language in a way, but it is my first written language and I lost most of my fluency (at least for now, I don't intend in forgetting it forever) in my original language.


1. When I said childish mentality, I mean the connotation of the selfish, entittlement of the little princess. The thinking of being in the center and continously worried about what others think, self-image, and putting no value to anyone else.

I did not meant the other "childish" mentality of having fun and imagination. I am all for the idea of being a person who wants to enjoy life and living in the moment rather than the trap of acting all grown up and being melancholy all the time.

2. For morals? I meant a set of boundaries created from experience (trial and error, ideaology on how to life, etc.) based from values pursued (which values are instilled from parents and surrondings).


Anyways, it seems that you meant you are against being a conformist rather than basing having a system morality and ethics. So there is no disagreement.

 

[KontrollerX]

Good follow up Mistic.

Much better phrasing than I used.

I guess I want to be even more clear about where I stand on things and I apologize for the harsh analogy but I can't think of anything better at the moment so here goes...

After much thinking I believe that to call oneself a Don Juan ie a DJ and try and have it mean anything other than following exactly in Don Juan's footsteps (getting laid at all costs morals be damned) is like calling oneself a Jeffrey Dahmer that doesn't eat and cannabalize people.

Though I and many others have tried you really just can't reconcile the term Don Juan ie DJ as it is used here to mean anything other than a person that does everything they can to get in a chick's pants.

The term DJ or Don Juan must be seperated here from being a real man or whatever other term people might come up with here to describe a guy that wants to get into relationships and eventually be married and faithfully committed to one woman or a string of relationships that go for various and differing lengths of time with real attachment and genuine feelings behind them.

Pook and fingz were here early on in the site and did their best to shape the term DJ into what they wanted it to mean but it never really lost its true meaning despite their efforts much the same way Jeffrey Dahmer's name will forever be associated with cannibalism and murdering people.

I'm not sure if Fingz reasoning for coming to the site was to get into a long term relationship but I read Pook's words recently where he directly said getting into a LTR was his purpose for coming to the site.

And this clearly shaped his agenda in his great topics and posts so the term DJ was the square peg he tried to fit into a round hole based on his LTR agenda to mean what it is to become a real man and the values of a real man by society's standards tend to be values, integrity, honesty and all of that good stuff which his posts were partially filled with.

I say partially because while he would praise honesty as a real man characteristic and characteristic of his view of what a real DJ would be he went against the real man moral way of being by saying in a blog post that morals, honor and all of that was invented by the feminists to make men women's slaves and he contradicted himself quite often about taking another man's girl on the forums here.

In one post he would say how he would never do this because it would turn brother against brother but in another post he was saying hey the Pook was the better man so the Pook wins as nature intended.

All this contradictory stuff is confusing and is easily done away with if you seperate what a DJ really is from what it means to be a real man or a man of integrity and values (depending on which catchy term you want to use for it).

To give some easily identifiable examples I hope without offending anyone here are two posters and their status on the forum and how they use this place in my estimation.

Str8up- DJ ie a Don Juan in the full sense and true meaning of the term he is here to attain more knowledge of how to maximize his potential at getting laid, get some insight into situations he finds himself in, tell some great stories and share a few laughs. Couldn't really care less about morals. He is here to follow in the real Don Juan's footsteps. Takes what some might consider to be a cynical or pessimistic mysanthropic view towards life but unbenownst to his critics he is not damaged by the way he views his life but is instead empowered by it and finds it extremely positive.

Jophil- Real Man ie he is here to not only prop up the moral integrity filled way of living life but learn how to best identify only the most quality of women (by his fellow moral posters standards) to have long term or short term relationships with. Posters with this mindset tend to be highly judgemental of the true DJ's finding their lifestyle to be negative, disgusting and innappropriate. They tend to make many posts about how the forum is going down the drain because of all of the (perceived) negativity of the true DJ's on it. Not saying Jophil personally has done this but the posters of this mindset have been doing it quite a lot lately rather than embracing the live and let live mentality.

What I think...

These types would not come into conflict, you would not have 20 page ketostix Vs. Latinoman Vs. Rollo Vs. Str8up, Vs. Iqqi Vs. Jophil, Vs. Macavoy morality debates if the posters here identified themselves as being a DJ in the true sense of the term or being the opposite ie those with a moralistic bent to the knowledge contained within the site.

I think it boils down to Libertine or Puritan.

I would consider myself, Str8up and ketostix Libertines ie DJ's in the real sense of the word as in we follow after the real Don Juan's way of life ie getting what you want at all costs.

While the puritans ie real men ie moral men Jophil, Fingz and others follow a more moralistic approach to the knowledge contained here.

Without these clearly established labels we all are stuck arguing over what it means to be a DJ and arguing about the forum descending into positivity or negativity.

With clearly established labels and DJ getting back its proper meaning on the forum and real men getting their own identification we can view eachother's posts in the proper and intended context rather than remaining at perpetual war with one another dragging the quality of the forum down in so doing.

 

[iqqi]

Or is it underlying jealousy and ignorance?

Same thing.

No you don't. You just want a quick jab at Brother KX which is an act in futility and desperation.

It's Friday night but you'll be sitting behind your machine jacking your pud to porn anyway.

Yeah.

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I think you said in another thread why your wife is so proud of your contributions. Is this why? ...nevermind, nevermind, I am drunk so what is the point of waiting or rhetorical questions. No, this is nothing to be proud of here what you did. Or is half of what you do. Get OFF MY NUTS or start another iqqi is an intruder/traitor/GIRL thread. Then you can follow that up with another lame a$$ fake a$$ apology thread.

Til then, my comment is as it was. I disagreed.




As far as my "jab" in "futility and desperation".... of what?

I just had to ask.


EDIT: WAIT... WAIT... does it have something to do with me and Fingz being ONE and the SAME???? LOL. <---- OUT LOUD for real. In real life.

 

[iqqi]

As far as comparing Pook and Fingz and the actual Don Juan, I think the main point anyone who is anyone who became anyone here due to what they were saying... (whew, drinking...) is FIRST you become a real man WITHOUT women, THEN you choose what kind of relationship you want regarding women. Whether it is the actual donjuan type of relationship, or the Pook type, or the Fingz type. The COMMON DENOMINATOR is these men were all SELF actualized.

Then success with women followed.

Because all the principals that are taught here, came naturally, once they were one with THEMSELVES.

TRUE LOVE = LOVE YOURSELF FIRST.

Says the drunk sosuave girl