How the decline in casual dinning parallels a man’s struggles in modern dating

[Hamurabimbi]

Well let's see...I'm 5'8", probably a 6 in looks and have banged over 60 women from OLD. Granted at times I have been in elite shape which helped, but there was not much difference honestly even when I was heavier and not in the best shape. Maybe had to go on more dates but still never had issues getting laid or getting dates.

Don't believe everything you are told in terms of "data".

The world is full of anomalies. You & I are not alone.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

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Well let's see...I'm 5'8", probably a 6 in looks and have banged over 60 women from OLD. Granted at times I have been in elite shape which helped, but there was not much difference honestly even when I was heavier and not in the best shape. Maybe had to go on more dates but still never had issues getting laid or getting dates.

Don't believe everything you are told in terms of "data".

A little off topic but it just struck me. The one week on Tinder I got 0 matches was when my Spotify song was Clapton’s ‘It’s in the way that you use it.’.

 

[corrector]

TLDR;

Prostitution and w0remongering on a site dedicated to seduction Is a non-starter.

Right, then so should be sex robots, AI, or NON-HUMAN based copes that don't require seduction either. Discussion about GEO-maxxing or meeting women in other countries like the Phillipeans, can be argued to not require seduction either, especially if the guy is white and throwing money at her. Also Sugar Baby arrangements can't be talked about either. Porn and no fap should not be discussed either as it's also not related to seduction, The list goes on and on....

At least if you are going play that card then apply it across the board.

Oh, and BTW, for the record, even prostitutes require game, just ask @Gamisch. Therefore based on that logic, saying that a prostitute requires no game or seduction skills, is for the record, debatable. Even @Hamurabimbi incel friend got REJECTED by a stripper. Again, how can you get rejected if no seduction is involved? Unless it's sex-robots or something that's not human, then seduction is always going to be involved.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Right, then so should be sex robots, AI, or NON-HUMAN based copes that don't require seduction either. Discussion about GEO-maxxing or meeting women in other countries like the Phillipeans, can be argued to not require seduction either, especially if the guy is white and throwing money at her. Also Sugar Baby arrangements can't be talked about either. Porn and no fap should not be discussed either as it's also not related to seduction, The list goes on and on....

At least if you are going play that card then apply it across the board.

Oh, and BTW, for the record, even prostitutes require game, just ask @Gamisch. Therefore based on that logic, saying that a prostitute requires no game or seduction skills, is for the record, debatable. Even @Hamurabimbi incel friend got REJECTED by a stripper. Again, how can you get rejected if no seduction is involved? Unless it's sex-robots or something that's not human, then seduction is always going to be involved.

Dude you have way too much time on your hands, if you spent the time you use to post here (and I’m sure other places) to do pushups and get an online degree you’d not be our resident self-proclaimed incel, I’d say volcel at this point. How many pushups today?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

At least if you are going play that Even @Hamurabimbi incel friend got REJECTED by a stripper. Again, how can you get rejected if no seduction is involved? Unless it's sex-robots or something that's not human, then seduction is always going to be involved.

Well. Actually both he & I were just sitting there when she propositioned me & rejected him. We had no opportunity to seduce her.

 

[sangheilios]

Well let's see...I'm 5'8", probably a 6 in looks and have banged over 60 women from OLD. Granted at times I have been in elite shape which helped, but there was not much difference honestly even when I was heavier and not in the best shape. Maybe had to go on more dates but still never had issues getting laid or getting dates.

Don't believe everything you are told in terms of "data".

If you are willing to have relatively low standards AND live in an area with a decent OLD pool this is not all that unrealistic.

I knew a guy that was living in a college town when he was in his early to mid 20s who got a lot of action from OLD, particularly tinder. He was a real life 7 for his age, was 6'+, decently handsome and looked like an average guy you'd see that played pickup basketball games at the gym. I had this preconceived notion that he was pulling a bunch of cute or even hot women from OLD, but I was totally incorrect. Most of the women he pulled from there were honestly average looking, in fact I'd even add that a good portion of them were below average and something I'd never be interested in. The key to this success though is that he was willing to lower his standards by quite a bit when it came to shorter term type flings. The real relationships that he did end up having though were women that were fairly similar to him in regards to attractiveness.

You probably banged a lot of fatties or left over women that you met with OLD sources. There's nothing wrong with this, but don't pretend you were landing quality women left and right.

 

[MatureDJ]

Red Lobster analogies. Most guys will do anything but approach.

It's OVER for CrustaceanCels, especially the ones at the bottom of the lobster dominance hierarchy:

 

[Millard Fillmore]

It's OVER for CrustaceanCels, especially the ones at the bottom of the lobster dominance hierarchy:

Haha and aren't lobsters already bottom feeders? So bottom of the bottom....

 

[MatureDJ]

Ugly guys should just have better personalities. Or lead with their wallet.

Like this guy?

King of Malaysia marries former Miss Moscow

MOSCOW —Photos surfaced on Facebook revealing that 49-year-old King of Malaysia Muhammad V of Kelantan married the 25-year old former Miss Moscow.

arabamericannews.com

 

[BackInTheGame78]

If you are willing to have relatively low standards AND live in an area with a decent OLD pool this is not all that unrealistic.

I knew a guy that was living in a college town when he was in his early to mid 20s who got a lot of action from OLD, particularly tinder. He was a real life 7 for his age, was 6'+, decently handsome and looked like an average guy you'd see that played pickup basketball games at the gym. I had this preconceived notion that he was pulling a bunch of cute or even hot women from OLD, but I was totally incorrect. Most of the women he pulled from there were honestly average looking, in fact I'd even add that a good portion of them were below average and something I'd never be interested in. The key to this success though is that he was willing to lower his standards by quite a bit when it came to shorter term type flings. The real relationships that he did end up having though were women that were fairly similar to him in regards to attractiveness.

You probably banged a lot of fatties or left over women that you met with OLD sources. There's nothing wrong with this, but don't pretend you were landing quality women left and right.

I don't have low standards. I will never bang a fat chick and I typically will not even bother messaging anyone I consider under a 6. Usually 6's and 7's and a handful of 8's sprinkled in.

But nice try tho...of course any one who has success but you don't "must have low standards".

Perhaps I just actually know how to make women interested in meeting me and then interested in them fvcking me?

Nah...that can't be it tho...that's not possible...haha

Hint...knowing how to hold a conversation and being fun and exciting in your interactions with women goes a lot farther than most men think. Just a hint...just a hint

 

[corrector]

Dude you have way too much time on your hands, if you spent the time you use to post here (and I’m sure other places) to do pushups and get an online degree you’d not be our resident self-proclaimed incel, I’d say volcel at this point. How many pushups today?

30 pushups. Already have a degree. Most (not all to be fair) negative experiences from women are in the workplace. If you have a white collar job and are treated like crap by women at work then what point are you trying to make about a degree? All a good job will do in that case is enable tla sub 5 to afford an expensive doll (that is allowed in discussion still?)

 

[Solomon]

You seem like making fun of them. Do you like kicking people who are already down?

Iron sharpens Iron, you can level up or continue to whine
When it's 2040 you still gonna be on this forum crying and whining about women?
Heck ya Imma laugh at you then

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Like this guy?

King of Malaysia marries former Miss Moscow

MOSCOW —Photos surfaced on Facebook revealing that 49-year-old King of Malaysia Muhammad V of Kelantan married the 25-year old former Miss Moscow.

arabamericannews.com

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Just Kingmax bro.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

30 pushups. Already have a degree. Most (not all to be fair) negative experiences from women are in the workplace. If you have a white collar job and are treated like crap by women at work then what point are you trying to make about a degree? All a good job will do in that case is enable tla sub 5 to afford an expensive doll (that is allowed in discussion still?)

Yeah and your degree nets you a job you have complained about incessantly as being low pay. Man you just don’t get it.

Have you ever considered changing your username to Platitudes?

 

[corrector]

Yeah and your degree nets you a job you have complained about incessantly as being low pay. Man you just don’t get it.

Have you ever considered changing your username to Platitudes?

Ok, I am going to join another Real Estate broker who focuses on downsizing seniors. Since I am patient and my folks are very old so the solution is to switch brokerages. Having a buried Real Estate license where you can make thousands to ten thousands after a sale is not nice while working at a lower wage job at the same time.

 

[sangheilios]

I don't have low standards. I will never bang a fat chick and I typically will not even bother messaging anyone I consider under a 6. Usually 6's and 7's and a handful of 8's sprinkled in.

But nice try tho...of course any one who has success but you don't "must have low standards".

Perhaps I just actually know how to make women interested in meeting me and then interested in them fvcking me?

Nah...that can't be it tho...that's not possible...haha

Hint...knowing how to hold a conversation and being fun and exciting in your interactions with women goes a lot farther than most men think. Just a hint...just a hint

You realize getting all defensive over this just further validates my point. Having a notch count of 60 from OLD is actually incredibly high, and there is absolutely no way most of these women were at minimum slightly cute unless you are very attractive yourself, which at your age and 5'8" height is clearly not the case. IF your goal was to have sheer abundance and sexual volume, a guy could use OLD and go for women that are a couple or even several points below him and do quite well. However, a guy looking for around his level is not going to get this with OLD, basically a question of quality vs. quantity. The women you were fooling around with were in reality a range from 3-5, the 8s you describe were probably a couple 6s/slightly cute women. There's nothing wrong with this, just pointing out the nonsense for what it is.

A little hint for you, if you had said you met a handful of 6s-7s off of OLD that would be far more believable than claiming to have bedded several dozens. Just something for your next troll post.

OLD isn't about knowing how to have a conversation, it's entirely visual at first and just not being insanely creepy or weird when messaging. An example would be going immediately to sexual talk, etc.

 

[Solomon]

You realize getting all defensive over this just further validates my point. Having a notch count of 60 from OLD is actually incredibly high, and there is absolutely no way most of these women were at minimum slightly cute unless you are very attractive yourself, which at your age and 5'8" height is clearly not the case. IF your goal was to have sheer abundance and sexual volume, a guy could use OLD and go for women that are a couple or even several points below him and do quite well. However, a guy looking for around his level is not going to get this with OLD, basically a question of quality vs. quantity. The women you were fooling around with were in reality a range from 3-5, the 8s you describe were probably a couple 6s/slightly cute women. There's nothing wrong with this, just pointing out the nonsense for what it is.

A little hint for you, if you had said you met a handful of 6s-7s off of OLD that would be far more believable than claiming to have bedded several dozens. Just something for your next troll post.

OLD isn't about knowing how to have a conversation, it's entirely visual at first and just not being insanely creepy or weird when messaging. An example would be going immediately to sexual talk, etc.

Kinda projecting here, I got a buddy who used to my wingman and was 5'7 (140 pounds, skinny ripped) he did very well with OLD. According to this logic he was pulling fatties which was not the case, getting 6s and 7s depending on where you live and depending on the guy isn't that hard even with OLD. Also what you consider a 6 or 7 the next guy may not, I have gone out with guys on this forum in the past who consiered a chick hot that I wouldn't touch and vice versa different strokes for different folks

OLD IME really depends on your location and of course your looks. The better you look the higher the success rate. I'm not claiming every chick I've been with through OLD has been a 6+ that would be a lie, but I have noticed my success declines in certain locations (Miami, LA) and greatly improves in others (Chicago, Atlanta, Iowa, Nebraska etc)

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Research is available on the phenomenon where individuals find it difficult to believe or understand something they have not personally experienced. This concept is often discussed in the fields of psychology and sociology and can be related to several cognitive biases and psychological theories:

1. Empathy Gap: This is a cognitive bias in which people underestimate the influence of visceral states on their own future behavior and decisions or on the behavior of others. It can make it difficult to understand and believe experiences they haven't personally experienced.
2. Personal Experience Bias: This bias occurs when people give undue weight to their own experiences and are less likely to believe information that contradicts their personal experiences. This can lead to skepticism about things outside their own realm of experience.
3. Confirmation Bias: This is the tendency to search for, interpret, and remember information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions. People may disbelieve or be skeptical of things they haven't experienced because it doesn't align with their existing beliefs.
4. Phenomenological Approach: In phenomenology, personal experience is emphasized as the primary source of knowledge. This philosophical perspective posits that individuals' understanding and beliefs are deeply rooted in their experiences.
5. Social and Cultural Factors: Sociological research also shows that social and cultural contexts significantly influence people's beliefs. People in different cultures or social groups might be more or less likely to believe in phenomena they haven't personally experienced based on the norms and values of their group.
6. Psychological Distance: The construal level theory suggests that the psychological distance from an event affects how abstractly or concretely people think about it. If something is very distant from someone's personal experience, they might find it harder to believe in or understand it concretely.

 

[sangheilios]

Kinda projecting here, I got a buddy who used to my wingman and was 5'7 (140 pounds, skinny ripped) he did very well with OLD. According to this logic he was pulling fatties which was not the case, getting 6s and 7s depending on where you live and depending on the guy isn't that hard even with OLD. Also what you consider a 6 or 7 the next guy may not, I have gone out with guys on this forum in the past who consiered a chick hot that I wouldn't touch and vice versa different strokes for different folks

OLD IME really depends on your location and of course your looks. The better you look the higher the success rate. I'm not claiming every chick I've been with through OLD has been a 6+ that would be a lie, but I have noticed my success declines in certain locations (Miami, LA) and greatly improves in others (Chicago, Atlanta, Iowa, Nebraska etc)

I'm sorry, man, but this random guy on the internet is most likely severely overexaggerating the results he's had with OLD. OLD sucks, always has and always will, and there is no way an otherwise normal tiered guy that was born in 1978 was/is pulling DOZENS of women from it that are 6+. The reality is he is either severely exaggerating his notch count from OLD and/or severely exaggerating how attractive these notches were. Attractive women, especially 7s and 8s, don't need to go on OLD apps or sites to get hookups or short term relationships. The reality is that he was pulling a lot of women that were average to below average. The ONLY exception to this is if he was quite attractive/handsome, tall, etc., which he isn't, OR was leading with money on a sugar baby type site.

I'd also add that perhaps he was just landing escorts and considers this "online dating", which you could consider it because they literally have online profiles like you'd see on a dating site lol.

I could be wrong, but I'm 90%+ positive that I've broken this down quite well and based upon his post history and what he discusses this even further validates my conclusion lol. Either way, it doesn't matter to me. If he was hooking up with a bunch of 3s-5s but wants to say they were 6-8 to make himself feel better it doesn't make a difference to me lol.

 

[sangheilios]

Research is available on the phenomenon where individuals find it difficult to believe or understand something they have not personally experienced. This concept is often discussed in the fields of psychology and sociology and can be related to several cognitive biases and psychological theories:

1. Empathy Gap: This is a cognitive bias in which people underestimate the influence of visceral states on their own future behavior and decisions or on the behavior of others. It can make it difficult to understand and believe experiences they haven't personally experienced.
2. Personal Experience Bias: This bias occurs when people give undue weight to their own experiences and are less likely to believe information that contradicts their personal experiences. This can lead to skepticism about things outside their own realm of experience.
3. Confirmation Bias: This is the tendency to search for, interpret, and remember information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions. People may disbelieve or be skeptical of things they haven't experienced because it doesn't align with their existing beliefs.
4. Phenomenological Approach: In phenomenology, personal experience is emphasized as the primary source of knowledge. This philosophical perspective posits that individuals' understanding and beliefs are deeply rooted in their experiences.
5. Social and Cultural Factors: Sociological research also shows that social and cultural contexts significantly influence people's beliefs. People in different cultures or social groups might be more or less likely to believe in phenomena they haven't personally experienced based on the norms and values of their group.
6. Psychological Distance: The construal level theory suggests that the psychological distance from an event affects how abstractly or concretely people think about it. If something is very distant from someone's personal experience, they might find it harder to believe in or understand it concretely.

Sorry, but @BackInTheGame78 , you and the others are delusional if you think some middle aged guy was pulling literally several DOZEN, specifically 60, women off of online dating that are 6+. 6+ implies that literally every single one was cute to even quite attractive or slightly hot lol. IF he actually had 60 women, the reality is that he probably had a handful of decent or cute women but the overwhelming majority were average at best, with a good portion that were quite below average, fat, etc.