How successful/well off guys do things differently.

[DreamAgain]

I would love to see these "effort" guys prove they can get a top LSAT score, top MCAT, get a PhD at a top school through effort. Become a top engineer at Nvidia or Google. Just lol. Yeah bro just trust me, anyone can do it if they try enough. It's just like lifting weights at the gym, just put in the work bro.

Anyone can make the NFL bro, or become a CEO. Come on bro stop being lazy.

 

[sangheilios]

Accessible for 80% of the population? Do you know IQ is distributed on a bell curve? Grit and attitude can only get you so far, if you have worked with or studied with some of these people who are intellectual workhorses you quickly realize that competing with them is like racing with an anvil on your back while they have the newest nikes fresh from the store.

I would know because I mostly achieved what I did through this grit and effort like you mentioned. So I know very well the limitations of this "theory". Making a business and buying low/selling high is not what I am referring to when I talk about this topic.

What is your career and educational background?

This is something a lot of people don't really understand that well. Here's a good breakdown of where we are going with this.

Jordan Peterson | The Most Terrifying IQ Statistic (youtube.com)

Intelligence level definitely plays a huge role, a person with an average IQ is not going to be able to become a nuclear engineer for instance. Some people aren't even intelligent enough for more "average" type jobs, such as being a nurse or police officer.

Aside from intelligence, there are other traits to look at as well. A guy in a hyper competitive field like business or law is going to need to possess a certain temperament to be able to thrive and be successful compared to his peers.

 

[sangheilios]

@Solomon

What exactly does your dream of financial success, freedom or whatever you want to call it look like to you? Meaning, how do you see yourself living, what type of lifestyle, etc.? What types of people do you want to be associating with? blah blah blah lol

 

[sangheilios]

I would love to see these "effort" guys prove they can get a top LSAT score, top MCAT, get a PhD at a top school through effort. Become a top engineer at Nvidia or Google. Just lol. Yeah bro just trust me, anyone can do it if they try enough. It's just like lifting weights at the gym, just put in the work bro.

Anyone can make the NFL bro, or become a CEO. Come on bro stop being lazy.

I think there is a cultural element in America where you need to be highly successful and seek prestigiousness. Going to a state university is seen as less prestigious than say a big name private school, even though you'd save tons of money. We can make the same argument with career for instance. A lot of people look down on trade jobs or things like truck driving, all of which can pay really good money. The reality is that many men don't have the natural aptitude to be doctors, engineers, etc. Some people have natural abilities where they would be better suited for certain fields or pursuits compared to others.

 

[DreamAgain]

I think there is a cultural element in America where you need to be highly successful and seek prestigiousness. Going to a state university is seen as less prestigious than say a big name private school, even though you'd save tons of money. We can make the same argument with career for instance. A lot of people look down on trade jobs or things like truck driving, all of which can pay really good money. The reality is that many men don't have the natural aptitude to be doctors, engineers, etc. Some people have natural abilities where they would be better suited for certain fields or pursuits compared to others.

Spot on.

 

[Reincarnated]

What is your career and educational background?

Education: In high school I was, above-average performer academically, but not top-tier by a long shot. And we're talking in a rural and relatively low-income county in northern Pennsylvania, the bar was not very high. I went to an average Catholic college (60-65% acceptance rate) studying accounting, and an accelerated MBA program.

I studied more than most in my high school, and only got above average results. I've never taken an IQ test, but imagine I'm not too much better than average. I kept up those habits in college, and buckled in to move through the CPA exams. It wasn't talent or natural ability, trust me.

Career: Went to work in internal auditing for a publicly traded bank, earned my CPA license, moved into the finance function, was promoted to Chief Accounting Officer, and that's where we sit now. Youngest individual with an officer title in the company by quite a few years.

My point was more along the lines of controlling the variables you can control, primarily time. If I only studied or worked a "normal" amount, I wouldn't have amounted too much. Proper time management was really the connection I was trying to draw to the original post in this thread, how all of the examples of "successful guys" probably have strong time management and willpower to get to the positions described.

I think if the "average" guy optimized their time properly (properly not perfectly, burnout is never productive), avoiding TV/movies, no mindless scrolling, no video games, wasting away drinking too often, etc..... and applied that time to career, health, and intellectual growth, that after a few years, they'd no longer be "average".

Correct that not everyone can generate the top-tier results, or even top-tier effort, but everyone can give MORE effort, and that counts for something.

 

[DreamAgain]

Education: In high school I was, above-average performer academically, but not top-tier by a long shot. And we're talking in a rural and relatively low-income county in northern Pennsylvania, the bar was not very high. I went to an average Catholic college (60-65% acceptance rate) studying accounting, and an accelerated MBA program.

I studied more than most in my high school, and only got above average results. I've never taken an IQ test, but imagine I'm not too much better than average. I kept up those habits in college, and buckled in to move through the CPA exams. It wasn't talent or natural ability, trust me.

Career: Went to work in internal auditing for a publicly traded bank, earned my CPA license, moved into the finance function, was promoted to Chief Accounting Officer, and that's where we sit now. Youngest individual with an officer title in the company by quite a few years.

My point was more along the lines of controlling the variables you can control, primarily time. If I only studied or worked a "normal" amount, I wouldn't have amounted too much. Proper time management was really the connection I was trying to draw to the original post in this thread, how all of the examples of "successful guys" probably have strong time management and willpower to get to the positions described.

I think if the "average" guy optimized their time properly (properly not perfectly, burnout is never productive), avoiding TV/movies, no mindless scrolling, no video games, wasting away drinking too often, etc..... and applied that time to career, health, and intellectual growth, that after a few years, they'd no longer be "average".

Correct that not everyone can generate the top-tier results, or even top-tier effort, but everyone can give MORE effort, and that counts for something.

For sure that is true. Maybe you are more talented than you give yourself credit for. But look at societies where actually people have to give a lot of effort, for example China or Japan. This hyper competitiveness has many downsides for society as well, I don't think it is healthy or natural for people to be in this mindset. Having drive and having the capacity to work hard, some would argue, is a talent in itself. A balanced life is probably best and healthiest overall.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Being pvssy obsessed can ruin your trajectory or destroy the castle you have built. If you want to be successful and maintain success, then you are going to have to be sexually disciplined no what ifs. No, you do not have to be a complete monk, but you have to have the ability to know when to keep your penis in your pants regardless of how hot the girl or easy the opportunity is or settle with the right girl as opposed to shuffling plates constantly. I am in sales, and my income is great(200k), but I am still recovering from some setbacks which is having me go Dave Ramsey mode for a couple of years, so I can actually build stuff. It is much easier to do this with a GF as opposed to being out in the field hunting for women IMHO. My sales career has been short, but I have seen too many guys with BEYOND comfortable positions in the company destroy their lives over some mediocre pvssy at sales retreats.

 

[sangheilios]

Being pvssy obsessed can ruin your trajectory or destroy the castle you have built. If you want to be successful and maintain success, then you are going to have to be sexually disciplined no what ifs. No, you do not have to be a complete monk, but you have to have the ability to know when to keep your penis in your pants regardless of how hot the girl or easy the opportunity is or settle with the right girl as opposed to shuffling plates constantly. I am in sales, and my income is great(200k), but I am still recovering from some setbacks which is having me go Dave Ramsey mode for a couple of years, so I can actually build stuff. It is much easier to do this with a GF as opposed to being out in the field hunting for women IMHO. My sales career has been short, but I have seen too many guys with BEYOND comfortable positions in the company destroy their lives over some mediocre pvssy at sales retreats.

What the hell kind of sales are you in to be pulling 200k in TN? lol

 

[CornbreadFed]

What the hell kind of sales are you in to be pulling 200k in TN? lol

To keep it simple, I am in a smart person sales industry that requires some certification (MBA minimum) or industry experience coupled with a bachelors. It is not the Always Be Closing type sales/Buyer to consumer shvt you see being peddled by the YouTube gurus. In addition, I work remotely for a company outside TN lol. The bullshvt they are peddling on Youtube is more geared towards mall kiosk hustlers than lucrative sales.

 

[sangheilios]

To keep it simple, I am in a smart person sales industry that requires some certification (MBA minimum) or experience. It is not the Always Be Closing type sales/Buyer to consumer shvt you see being peddled by the YouTube gurus. In addition, I work remotely for a company outside TN lol. The bullshvt they are peddling on Youtube is more geared towards mall kiosk hustlers than lucrative sales.

Ok, that makes more sense instead of some b.s sales job like you were selling hot tubs or some **** lol.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Ok, that makes more sense instead of some b.s sales job like you were selling hot tubs or some **** lol.

Yeah, the reason I am in financially recovery is from a B.S sales job I took that I thought sounded great

 

[sangheilios]

Yeah, the reason I am in financially recovery is from a B.S sales job I took that I thought sounded great

You remind me of these people that go door to door trying to solicit random services and products lol. I live in a desert in a semi rural area and a while back had a guy come to the door trying to sell pest control services. He made some comment about how they clean up the black widow webs, which are very common here, and something about scorpions lol. I remember saying something about how I wasn't interested, and he literally just stood there in the door for several seconds staring at me haha. I literally had to say if he needed anything else before he left lol.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I still dont know what the topic of the thread is.

 

[sangheilios]

I still dont know what the topic of the thread is.

It started off with the OP talking about how he knows all of these super successful guys and how their "game" is different. He then was elaborating on how these relatively young guys were pulling incredibly high salaries and living a high lifestyle. The topic then deviated over to discussing spending habits and lifestyle and how it attracts women, getting into certain social circles, etc. The thread then spilled into income and wealth building, debt and then career lol.

There's been a lot of b.s on this thread for sure lol.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

In the US recently graduated software developers pull in about $150k.

RN’s in a decent sized metro start at about 160k.

The data is out there if you want to look for it.

these folks are typically in their 20’s…

Only a tiny number of men are legitimately going to be making anything well over 100k under the age of 40 lol, let alone 250k lol. What are the chances some random guy on the internet knows not one but several guys like this?.

 

[Manure Spherian]

This thread is all a bunch of nonsense. The guy claims to know all these super highly successful people on a personal level that are living baller type lifestyles. No guy that has an empty place would be associated with guys like this, as he'd be trying to emulate their lifestyle's to try to fit in lol. @Jesse Pinkman probably follows some instagram famous douchebag that lives in Miami that is a VIP at the clubs there or some ****

With some tweeks, the original post and some others could read like romance fiction, which is softcore porn for women.

 

[Scaramouche]

I sold my company last year for several million and it was generating over $1 million per year in free cashflow since 2017 so I've been a millionaire for a few years now. The most simple way for me to describe the difference between being successful and being average is that successful people do not seek validation or approval from people that are below their status. The percentage of people that I encounter in daily life that are above my status is very limited so for the most part I am almost never seeking approval from others but other people are often seeking validation from me.

Hi Radha,
Sorry Don't agree with you....Through juggling Real Estate,working as an Engineer later Uni Lecturer combined with running my own Building Business I got to the status of a US$Millionaire at about 34,a level I was knocked off of by two marriage bust ups for never more than 7 years at a time...I was 6foot,am blonde,blue eyes,a solid 8,powerful physique,can switch on the charm,can Dance,cook and converse,living in Towns with a gender bias skewed my way,though I have always had a partner,until 20 years ago,I had to really battle for every bit of Pvussy I could get and have NEVER dated anything better than a 7+....In the Anglo-Spere it is considered bad manners to boast about wealth so I tell no one,have never driven anything more ostentacious than an old '87 Ford Wagon or 2007 Toyota...So you young Guys don't despair,stay on this site and if you have nothing else work on your personality!

 

[Millard Fillmore]

I have seen guys that get laid and pull in Miami and those that do not. Money has little to do with it even though a lot of these guys have it. It is more about the soft skills and what I mentioned in the OP. These guys:

1. Go to the right venues at the right time

2. Abandon bad venues and times fast

3. Don't waste time on girls that play too many games

4. Use their money WISELY such as having better logistics and access

5. Have access to cool stuff that not even money can buy, like Maxim events or exclusive parties girls want to be in

This makes sense. I think you could have said it more concisely to start the thread. A man with fewer resources can emulate these protocols. Obviously rich guys have no problem doing it but middle income or even college dudes can find ways to make these work for them. Work smart, not hard.

 

[sangheilios]

In the US recently graduated software developers pull in about $150k.

RN’s in a decent sized metro start at about 160k.

The data is out there if you want to look for it.

these folks are typically in their 20’s…

Bro, that's not true. I knew nurses in the Boston metro that capped out at maybe 120k-140k a few years back. No new grad is going to be making anywhere near that. Not including stuff like OT, etc.