How successful/well off guys do things differently.

[DreamAgain]

What I want to say is that ultimately these guys did not necessarily put in the intellectual labour of actual product creation, of innovation, they instead piggy backed off of those "undesirable" nerds, and benefited from a system that facilitates this.

 

[characternote]

I personally know a lot of rich dudes my age, every single one of them are wealthy from the efforts of the previous generation but would never admit it, it's always some cover story, now all of them say "I was an early investor in bitcoin" because it's the most believable thing to say.

I know a guy who lives in Texas (kinda of a friend of a friend) who is SO rich it's insane. I'm talking multiple million dollar houses, gambles 100k at the casino on a night out like it's nothing etc etc. I don't know his net worth but i'd guess it's like 200 million!

He tells people that he grew up poor and is rich because he's an amazing day trader and learnt the skill at a young age and so never needed a 'job', but i've seen him trade live before and he's clueless. I've seen him make lots of money some days (like 100k in a day) but he kind of relies on his bankroll with positions often going way against him. There's no way in the world his story is remotely true. He'd never have been able to 'build' a huge account in the first place based on his trading skillset. What i do know is that he DOES indeed trade but it's basically just a bored millionnaire gambling for fun. Some days makes 100k Some days loses 200k. But there's no way that's HOW he got rich

I'm convinced he must have billionnaire parents or something lol

So yeah, as you say, for some reason most don't want to admit it

This doesn't really have anything to do with the OP btw, but your post made me think of him!

 

[Solomon]

@DreamAgain

Bro, you are totally correct. @Jesse Pinkman is either full blown making these stories up about these guys up OR these men have severely over exaggerated their earnings to him. Only a tiny number of men are legitimately going to be making anything well over 100k under the age of 40 lol, let alone 250k lol. What are the chances some random guy on the internet knows not one but several guys like this?

This thread is a bunch of nonsense. The overwhelming majority of millennials are broke AF, I bet having even 50k in savings or investments puts you in the top tier.

Respectfully but this thread is nonsense to a person who doesn't roll in those circles or is naive about how the upper class lives
Jesse isn't lying. Once I hit the 6 figure club in 2020 my social circle and lifestyle began to change completely (mind you I was making 38K just 3 years before that) shortly after my career in the fashion industry was done and I had to switch up due to covid (I got into crypto heavy during the 2021 bullrun)

The last 4 years I've been a member in various social circles with people making salaries ranging from 6 to 8 figures.

• Most guys became rich during 2017 ICO crypto boom (I knew them before they became rich but they were already doing well pre-millionaire status) One guy is worth 50 Million and another guy makes 20-30 Million annually. Their lifestyle is something out of a movie just ridiculous luxury, travels etc
• One guy is a 5'2 private plane pilot who makes 6 figures and travels the world, slays some of the hottest women, I didn't believe it until I saw him pull in front of my own eyes and also various women confirmed being with him.
• Another guy made millions by drop Shipping and also runs a popular YouTube channel currently engaged to a model
• One guy works in tech making over 150K+a year and dates hot smokeshows all the time. He easily IMO has the best game amongst all of us even though he's not the richest but the guy has crazy charisma
• One my best friends is 28 years old and has been a millionaire for 3 years now due to drop shipping. The kid is one of the smartest people I know and he's already traveled damn near half the world

Most of these guys are in their early to mid-30s. I'm actually the oldest in the group at 40(and the brokest lol) I can tell you firsthand those guys aren't living like a guy making 38K or even 60K a year. They live in the best parts of town, drive the best cars and some of them their reputation precedes them(I'm speaking locally of course)

When they go to the club they do not have to hit up set after set. If they go out it's because they choose to. In a social circle like that you do not have to cold approach unless you choose to, You can meet girls in your social circle in regards to exclusive parties, events etc. This may sound like rubbish to an average person I get it but unless you have experienced it yourself it's easy to be dismissive. You ever wonder who those guys are that you see at the popular club every weekend with bottle service and hot chicks? it's mostly likely those guys. Not only do they have the money but also the social proof to match. The thing about people who are rich(or well to do)is they tend to hang around other rich people. Why? Because of the realitability factor not saying rich people don't hang out with normies but it;s easier for Thousandaires to relate to other thousandaires for millionaires to relate to other millionaires. Also you don't have to worry about freeloaders or people who want handouts

Once again this may sound like rubbish, I could post pictures and video footage but what's the point? people will say they are fake or I'm insecure. All I will say is this if you are part of those circles you know what I'm saying checks out. It is what it is

To add on people wonder why do you still post here? because I work 12 hours a day, and I have been on this site since I was 24 this site has helped me out tremendously during my journey from a broke 24 year old making $13 an hour to where I am now. If I can give back value and inspiration to those who inspired me. Then why not? I'm not here to brag my journey in the last 15 years is pretty well documented on here

 

[DreamAgain]

Respectfully but this thread is nonsense to a person who doesn't roll in those circles or is naive about how the upper class lives
Jesse isn't lying. Once I hit the 6 figure club in 2020 my social circle and lifestyle began to change completely (mind you I was making 38K just 3 years before that) shortly after my career in the fashion industry was done and I had to switch up due to covid (I got into crypto heavy during the 2021 bullrun)

The last 4 years I've been a member in various social circles with people making salaries ranging from 6 to 8 figures.

• Most guys became rich during 2017 ICO crypto boom (I knew them before they became rich but they were already doing well pre-millionaire status) One guy is worth 50 Million and another guy makes 20-30 Million annually. Their lifestyle is something out of a movie just ridiculous luxury, travels etc
• One guy is a 5'2 private plane pilot who makes 6 figures and travels the world, slays some of the hottest women, I didn't believe it until I saw him pull in front of my own eyes and also various women confirmed being with him.
• Another guy made millions by drop Shipping and also runs a popular YouTube channel currently engaged to a model
• One guy works in tech making over 150K+a year and dates hot smokeshows all the time. He easily IMO has the best guy amongst all of us even though he's not the richest but the guy has crazy charisma
• and so forth

Most of these guys are in their early to mid-30s. I'm actually the oldest in the group at 40(and the brokest lol) I can tell you firsthand those guys aren't living like a guy making 38K or even 60K a year. They live in the best parts of town, drive the best cars and some of them their reputation precedes them(I'm speaking locally of course)

When they go to the club they do not have to hit up set after set. If they go out it's because they choose to. In a social circle like that you do not have to cold approach unless you choose to, You can meet girls in your social circle in regards to exclusive parties, events etc. This may sound like rubbish to an average person I get it but unless you have experienced it yourself it's easy to be dismissive. You ever wonder who those guys are that you see at the popular club every weekend with bottle service and hot chicks? it's mostly likely those guys. Not only do they have the money but also the social proof to match. The thing about people who are rich(or well to do)is they tend to hang around other rich people. Why? Because of the realitability factor not saying rich people don't hang out with rich people but it;s easier for Thousandaires to relate to other thousandaires for millionaires to relate to other millionaires.

Once again this may sound like rubbish, I could post pictures and video footage but what's the point? people will say they are fake or I'm insecure. All I will say is this if you are part of those circles you know what I'm saying checks out. It is what it is

The guy in tech, I'm guessing he's not an engineer right?

Crypto bro, a lot of those who got in early are reaping the rewards, congratulations to them.

Drop shipper and social media star, yes this guy would be successful.

I guess the point of the thread is, is this advice useful to the average guy, how possible are these outcomes? Even with very high determination and effort?

 

[DreamAgain]

I mean, this point emphasizes certain tropes that would make society basically not function. If everyone tried to be a crypto millionaire, where would the rest of the needs of society filled? Or if everyone tried to be a social media star/influencer? Or a finance bro who produces nothing tangible to the world?

What does it tell us about society if these men are amassing harams of women while the rest of the guys, who are not even necessarily ugly, or out of shape, or stupid, or unsuccessful professionally, are struggling significantly in the dating market?

Perhaps if there is no mechanism to regulate hypergamy, society will crumble, this seems to be the conclusion that has no refutation.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

What does it tell us about society if these men are amassing harams of women while the rest of the guys, who are not even necessarily ugly, or out of shape, or stupid, or unsuccessful professionally, are struggling significantly in the dating market?

To stop struggling.

The more you want something, the more difficult it becomes to attain.
The hungrier you look at women the lower your chances of sating your hunger.
The more you want connection the more disconnected you'll feel.
Desire is a good motivator, but a bad mistress.

 

[pipeman84]

One guy is a 5'2 private plane pilot who makes 6 figures and travels the world, slays some of the hottest women, I didn't believe it until I saw him pull in front of my own eyes and also various women confirmed being with him.

One guy works in tech making over 150K+a year and dates hot smokeshows all the time. He easily IMO has the best game amongst all of us even though he's not the richest but the guy has crazy charisma

If you believe hot smokeshows date rich guys because of their game then you'll believe that rich guys date smokeshows for their intelligence.
It's nothing more than high class escorting, let's not kid ourselves here.

 

[DreamAgain]

To stop struggling.

The more you want something, the more difficult does it become to attain.
The hungrier you look at women the lower your chances of sating your hunger.
The more you want connection the more disconnected you'll feel.
Desire is a good motivator, but a bad mistress.

No, it is that the market is a zero-sum game. What someone else takes, means there is less for the other.

I suppose you like a system where to the victor's go all the spoils. A lot of people who prospered in such a system like it. Eventually, such a system breaks, you see it time and time again in history.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Let me put it this way, you can introduce them to your normal friends and not be embarrassed. A lot of times, you will find that these guys are normal in social situations and can make small talk with most people out there. With Cold Approach guys, you have to be careful. Many of them are strange, weird, and often lack the social calibration to thrive in a social setting. Successful guys know how they come off to others while PUA guys are unaware of how they make others feel.

So what you are essentially saying is that cold approach is the resort of weird, socially awkward, financially unsuccessful losers. It seems like you've come full circle.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Only a tiny number of men are legitimately going to be making anything well over 100k under the age of 40 lol, let alone 250k lol. What are the chances some random guy on the internet knows not one but several guys like this?

This thread is a bunch of nonsense. The overwhelming majority of millennials are broke AF, I bet having even 50k in savings or investments puts you in the top tier.

You must live in Albania...or some alternative universe. Go to any big city in North America and there are TONS of people who make over $100K (and many who make over $250K). In fact, if you're making $100K in a city like NYC or LA, you are barely scraping by.

 

[Solomon]

The guy in tech, I'm guessing he's not an engineer right?

Crypto bro, a lot of those who got in early are reaping the rewards, congratulations to them.

Drop shipper and social media star, yes this guy would be successful.

I guess the point of the thread is, is this advice useful to the average guy, how possible are these outcomes? Even with very high determination and effort?

He works in Cyber Security for the government
Anything is possible bro. Like I said I was a broke 24 year old kid making $13 an hour when I first began posting here I'm 40 now. It took time in my 20s I was too busy partying/chasing tail and I didn't become focused on wealth until my mid30s. I don't even consider myself rich (never claimed to be and making low 6 figures I'm not but I'm more focused on financial freedom than I ever have been ) what helped me was investing in crypto and doing side hustles i.e. videography, consultations etc. My advice would be to have multiple streams of income learn about the crypto market, a Bullrun is happening soon. Don't sleep

I mean, this point emphasizes certain tropes that would make society basically not function. If everyone tried to be a crypto millionaire, where would the rest of the needs of society filled? Or if everyone tried to be a social media star/influencer? Or a finance bro who produces nothing tangible to the world?

What does it tell us about society if these men are amassing harams of women while the rest of the guys, who are not even necessarily ugly, or out of shape, or stupid, or unsuccessful professionally, are struggling significantly in the dating market?

Perhaps if there is no mechanism to regulate hypergamy, society will crumble, this seems to be the conclusion that has no refutation.

The reality is that not everyone is going to become a crypto millionaire. Most people still don't even know what crypto is, last time I checked only 17% of Americans are in the crypto market. Most people aren't going to do the work to obtain wealth(and let's be clear in 2024 there are various ways to do so). One thing I noticed that separates successful people from average people is that successful people have a ridiculous drive when it comes to success due to being insanely ambitious. It's not something that can be taught you either are hungry for success or you're not. When you hang around ambitious people it's infectious in a good way and makes you want to step your game up! I know a guy who is 35 years old unemployed, lives with his parents smokes weed all day. This guy has a 4-year degree in golfing(yes frigging golfing)and his parents are well to do he has every opportunity to succeed but he's not hungry for success and rather live in "subparness" and complains about feminism and modern women, needless to say I avoid him these days like the plague. My tech buddy goes out 4 days a week, hits the gym, works hard at his job, comes home trades stocks. He has a motor that doesn't quit. People like that don't care about sob stories about how hard your life is 99% of these guys didn't come from privileged families but poor or middle-income families that had ingrained and taught them work ethic from an early age. You gotta be hungry and understand things don't just change overnight it's a process with lot of ups and downs.

If you believe hot smokeshows date rich guys because of their game then you'll believe that rich guys date smokeshows for their intelligence.
It's nothing more than high class escorting, let's not kid ourselves here.

You're clearly projecting, just because you have to pay for escorts or know guys that do doesn't mean every rich guy is. The guy making a 150K a year is a good-looking charismatic guy who knows how to flirt with women like there is no tomorrow, not every rich guy is a Gameless dork who has to lead with his wallet.

 

[DreamAgain]

He works in Cyber Security for the government
Anything is possible bro. Like I said I was a broke 24 year old kid making $13 an hour when I first began posting here I'm 40 now. It took time in my 20s I was too busy partying/chasing tail and I didn't become focused on wealth until my mid30s. I don't even consider myself rich (never claimed to be and making low 6 figures I'm not but I'm more focused on financial freedom than I ever have been ) what helped me was investing in crypto and doing side hustles i.e. videography, consultations etc. My advice would be to have multiple streams of income learn about the crypto market, a Bullrun is happening soon. Don't sleep



The reality is that not everyone is going to become a crypto millionaire. Most people still don't even know what crypto is, last time I checked only 17% of Americans are in the crypto market. Most people aren't going to do the work to obtain wealth(and let's be clear in 2024 there are various ways to do so). One thing I noticed that separates successful people from average people is that successful people have a ridiculous drive when it comes to success due to being insanely ambitious. It's not something that can be taught you either are hungry for success or you're not. When you hang around ambitious people it's infectious in a good way and makes you want to step your game up! I know a guy who is 35 years old unemployed, lives with his parents smokes weed all day. This guy has a 4-year degree in golfing(yes frigging golfing)and his parents are well to do he has every opportunity to succeed but he's not hungry for success and rather live in "subparness" and complains about feminism and modern women, needless to say I avoid him these days like the plague. My tech buddy goes out 4 days a week, hits the gym, works hard at his job, comes home trades stocks. He has a motor that doesn't quit. People like that don't care about sob stories about how hard your life is 99% of these guys didn't come from privileged families but poor or middle-income families that had ingrained and taught them work ethic from an early age. You gotta be hungry and understand things don't just change overnight it's a process with lot of ups and downs.



You're clearly projecting, just because you have to pay for escorts or know guys that do doesn't mean every rich guy is. The guy making a 150K a year is a good-looking charismatic guy who knows how to flirt with women like there is no tomorrow, not every rich guy is a Gameless dork who has to lead with his wallet.

Fair enough. Financial success is critically important, moreso than looks as we age.

I have a question though. For these very ambitious guys, how are they happy with what the dating market offers them? Almost none of these woman have even close to the ambition that your friends have. The laziness, entitlement of the modern woman is off the charts.

How can they find any women to relate to?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

No, it is that the market is a zero-sum game. What someone else takes, means there is less for the other.

I suppose you like a system where to the victor's go all the spoils. A lot of people who prospered in such a system like it. Eventually, such a system breaks, you see it time and time again in history.

Your defeatist attitude is not going to make you happy, that's for sure.

 

[DreamAgain]

You must live in Albania...or some alternative universe. Go to any big city in North America and there are TONS of people who make over $100K (and many who make over $250K). In fact, if you're making $100K in a city like NYC or LA, you are barely scraping by.

Even moreso the point, I read recently that anything less than 172k in NYC is considered barely scraping by.

We know, by median salaries, that most are very far away from this number.

Yet another example of the ever widening gap between the haves and have nots. Of a rather small minority amassing way more than the majority.

Does that seem like a good, stable society to you? What happened to such societies historically, do you know?

 

[DreamAgain]

Your defeatist attitude is not going to make you happy, that's for sure.

Why am I defeatist? I strongly support self improvement in all aspects. Physical, financial, mental, men must work on all of this, irrespective of what their situation is with women.

 

[Solomon]

Fair enough. Financial success is critically important, moreso than looks as we age.

I have a question though. For these very ambitious guys, how are they happy with what the dating market offers them? Almost none of these woman have even close to the ambition that your friends have. The laziness, entitlement of the modern woman is off the charts.

How can they find any women to relate to?

Great question speaking from personal experience. You have various women, from different ethnicities some who work average jobs i.e. make up artists, and some who are successful in their own right making 6 figures themselves. You would be surprised that there are a lot of pretty women that make a 100K plus. This site has guys fooled that any woman who makes a high salary is a "Boss Babe" or "karen" That could be furtherest from the truth, some of the most feminine women I have met actually make high salaries but they are not going to settle for a guy who makes less than them.

In regards to what they have to offer, I guess that's subjective but some are pretty, nurturing, loyal, fun etc.

That whole entitled bytch thing doesn't fly with men who have self-respect women with funky attitudes don't make it in the door and if they do they don't get invites back.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

So what you are essentially saying is that cold approach is the resort of weird, socially awkward, financially unsuccessful losers. It seems like you've come full circle.

Good Ole Boka taking shots and then agreeing with me on the next post, such typical Toronto behavior lol

 

[HaleyBaron]

Miami doesn't represent the rest of the country.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

@Solomon coming through big on this thread but tbh, he is talking about extreme examples. Dudes making millions, even in NYC or Miami or LA, is somewhat rare. I am talking about dudes making around the $150k to $300k a year club, that is actually quite common. In fact, it is insane how much companies pay but almost all of these guys threw away their lives in certain periods. I mean I am even full of regret of partying too hard in my early 20s because these dudes were working 70 to 80 hr work weeks and really putting in the grind.

I am not shocked of the reaction though, I have been in the game community for years and noticed that it is rare to find dudes who have their $hit together.

People also say "well that is only in Miami or NYC", the reality is, the hooking up and casual sex is only going on in these major metros. The rest of the country is basically dudes getting hitched at 21 and starting a family, if you do not get hitched by then, you are SOL and an incel.

Dudes with 6 pack abs, 6 figure incomes, and at least 6ft in height are not that rare in major US cities, these are the dudes who are taking all of your dates on the apps and the ones a lot of these women are going for.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Even moreso the point, I read recently that anything less than 172k in NYC is considered barely scraping by.

We know, by median salaries, that most are very far away from this number.

Yet another example of the ever widening gap between the haves and have nots. Of a rather small minority amassing way more than the majority.

Does that seem like a good, stable society to you? What happened to such societies historically, do you know?

Breaking news to you and every single guy on here who believes in the Red Pill garbage, no one as a man is coming to save you. The market gets more and more competitive every single year as more and more men are left to rot. Most of these men will live a life like herbivores in Japan who just watch porn and play videogames all day. It has already made news with less men asking out women.

Welcome to real competition and the real world. You see decades before? We were living in a bubble and were sheltered from harsh reality. Now it has come full circle and you have more and more guys who are getting a rude awakening.

Either improve your lot or enjoy your rot.

That is the only thing none of these morons on Youtube complaining want to tell you, PS, they are benefitting off of your misery in a financial way. Love Andrew Tate all you want, he benefits off of incels and conning them.

No one is coming to save you and your incel friends other than you. The world has gotten more competitive and it will continue to get more competitive, either improve your lot or enjoy your rot.