How much do looks matter

[Hamurabimbi]

It undoubtedly does.

That being said, my case is mild enough that I'd have a lot more luck if (as you insisted) a woman will pounce on a man with good looks no matter how clueless or dorky he is.

The vast majority of the outside world (male or female) likely doesn't have even the slightest inkling I'm an autist.

As a decent looking guy, I’ve found women will, on occasion, approach. They know nothing about me or my psychology.

 

[GoodMan32]

I visited my old social circle and there’s this one guy that always seemed “off”, but I assumed he was just in the closet and just being weird to compensate. Last time I went and his condition has clearly gotten worse and you can tell he is on the spectrum and needs to go see someone about it. In addition, he hasn’t gotten laid since 2017 allegedly and I wouldn’t be shocked if he was an actual virgin. I am only on his case because he was posting some Red pill stuff which I do not think helps his case at all.

I never thought my ASD could play a role in why I get mistaken for gay.

After reading your post about the guy in your social circle, however, perhaps the fact I'm "off" is part of the reason I get mistaken for gay.

gymcels are a thing for a reason. Dudes care more about muscles than women. Ugly face means ugly children to women.

In that case, being alpha might have been why these ugly muscular dudes I used to work with managed to nail female customers.

Even if a woman is biologically programmed to be turned off by an ugly dude, being alpha can make her overlook his ugliness.

I'd probably agree with you, tbh. Off the top of my head I was thinking 35ish, but yeah, even 30 feels like it makes sense

I see so many stunning, perfect looking 18 year olds girls banging literal sticks of a 'man', but they're typically facially very good looking and usually tall.

I feel like the 'muscles = older women wanting you but young girls not being interested' is something I noticed when I was really young, tbh after watching programs like 'Ibiza uncovered' which was kind of 'reality TV' back when it was actually REAL! Pre social media and smart phone etc.

If young girls don't really put much emphasis on muscles, why is it, then, that college athletes get easy cooch from young college girls?

True. She has strengths you do not have. But she has to have tremendous patience & understanding. Things that seem patently obvious to me he will miss. It can be maddening at times, but its how he's built & will not change to a great degree.

A neurotypical woman has strengths an autistic man doesn't have, correct.

Another reason I say a neurotypical woman is a better fit than an autistic woman for an autistic man: Based on online autism communities I've belonged to and/or lurked on, the vast majority of female autists are bigtime feminists. On the other hand, most autistic men on online autism communities (myself included) hate feminism.

Finding a neurotypical woman who hates feminism is a lot easier than finding an autistic woman who hates feminism.

All in all though, the patience thing you pointed out still presents a hurdle (which is why I typically don't get very far)

 

[SW15]

Muscles on an unattractive guy is equivalent to putting big boobs on an ugly girl to men. The issue is that men get muscles and expect it work with women that care about other stuff. If they stuck to fitness girls and adopted that gym bro trainer personality then they would be much better off.

I'm into fitness females.

To you, what differentiates a fitness female from some vapid female who goes to her gym?

Your typical young taco tuesday girl club hopping every weekend, traveling to Europe to visit more feminine men does not care if a guy that she already saw as unattractive got muscles lol.

This goes back to my last question. A lot of females into trendy things like Taco Tuesday and the hottest nightlife venues in a city are also women who go to gyms and keep at least decent physiques.

Also, I don't understand your premise at the end of the sentence. It seems less applicable in big cities. It seems like a woman sees a man as unattractive, then over multiple months or even 1-2 years he puts on more muscle mass. Most interactions in big cities are fleeting and rarely do the same people see other again on a regular basis.

 

[CornbreadFed]

To you, what differentiates a fitness female from some vapid female who goes to her gym?

A fitness female acts like a female gym bro and makes working out and fitness diet her primary focus. They tend to have that fit athletic build and her friends are mainly going to be gym bros and other fitness chicks. Fitness girls can be hot, but they do tend to have a more masculine look than regular girls. Sometimes they can be overweight because they refuse fix their diet.

A regular girl can go to the gym frequently, but it is secondary to her primary interests. Her physique won’t be as athletic as the fitness girl because she’s not going to follow the same strict diet and routine as her. A regular girl will have regular activities that involve brunching, taco Tuesday, and etc while a fitness girl will have her life revolve around the gym mainly. Instead of eating strict gym diets, a regular girl will just eat less naturally to the point of being in a caloric deficit.

 

[zekko]

If young girls don't really put much emphasis on muscles, why is it, then, that college athletes get easy cooch from young college girls?

I'm not saying young girls don't like muscles. But college athletes have several things going from them. They're local (and sometimes national) celebrities. They're popular. They have fame. They have status. They're healthy, in shape, they can protect you. They have scholarships that are possibly taking them places in life. All things that attract women.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Also, I don't understand your premise at the end of the sentence. It seems less applicable in big cities. It seems like a woman sees a man as unattractive, then over multiple months or even 1-2 years he puts on more muscle mass. Most interactions in big cities are fleeting and rarely do the same people see other again on a regular basis.

Think of adding muscles to a guy you don't find attractive already to adding big boobs to a girl you don't find attractive. For example, I do not find Sabrina Carpenter attractive. She could suddenly have the best boobs in the world and I still wouldn't find her attractive because I am not attracted to the core of her.

 

[SW15]

Think of adding muscles to a guy you don't find attractive already to adding big boobs to a girl you don't find attractive. For example, I do not find Sabrina Carpenter attractive. She could suddenly have the best boobs in the world and I still wouldn't find her attractive because I am not attracted to the core of her.

The big boobs in these cases seem more theoretical than actual. If a woman doesn't have a good face/physique, then big breasts won't do as much for her.

I like it when a woman has a good face. One of my cousins had an LTR with a woman with a subpar face. She had a good physique but her facial aesthetics were unimpressive. The first time I ever saw a picture of this woman, her subpar facial aesthetics stood out for me.

For me, the core of a woman matters as much as her breasts. Some women's breasts are their best feature, but their other features are still good.

A fitness female acts like a female gym bro and makes working out and fitness diet her primary focus. They tend to have that fit athletic build and her friends are mainly going to be gym bros and other fitness chicks. Fitness girls can be hot, but they do tend to have a more masculine look than regular girls. Sometimes they can be overweight because they refuse fix their diet.

A regular girl can go to the gym frequently, but it is secondary to her primary interests. Her physique won’t be as athletic as the fitness girl because she’s not going to follow the same strict diet and routine as her. A regular girl will have regular activities that involve brunching, taco Tuesday, and etc while a fitness girl will have her life revolve around the gym mainly. Instead of eating strict gym diets, a regular girl will just eat less naturally to the point of being in a caloric deficit.

Over the years, I've met more women who are regular women who exercise than fitness women whose lives are centered around the gym and possible involvement in a rec league sport.

It's difficult to say which of these women has a better physique. I would tend to go with a fitness centered woman but if she is overweight or looks too masculine, then it would be the more regular woman.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The big boobs in these cases seem more theoretical than actual. If a woman doesn't have a good face/physique, then big breasts won't do as much for her.

I like it when a woman has a good face. One of my cousins had an LTR with a woman with a subpar face. She had a good physique but her facial aesthetics were unimpressive. The first time I ever saw a picture of this woman, her subpar facial aesthetics stood out for me.

For me, the core of a woman matters as much as her breasts. Some women's breasts are their best feature, but their other features are still good.

A girl can find a guy unattractive because of his personality, height, background, and facial aesthetics. I used the boob example because men tend to look at the external first before caring about the internal. If you are trying to make a girl find you more attractive, then you are way better off just throwing money at her over trying to impress her with muscles.

Over the years, I've met more women who are regular women who exercise than fitness women whose lives are centered around the gym and possible involvement in a rec league sport.

It's difficult to say which of these women has a better physique. I would tend to go with a fitness centered woman but if she is overweight or looks too masculine, then it would be the more regular woman.

When I think of fitness chick, I think of this look...slightly masculine, skinny frame. You can tell that this girl places fitness as her top priority.

 

[Solomon]

My favorite type of "Fitness Chick"

 

[CornbreadFed]

My favorite type of "Fitness Chick"

Yeah, I don't find fitness chicks that attractive. They look fake and less feminine from my POV. Which goes back to my point with muscles, I do not care if you put big boobs, big butt, or make her Asian, I am just not going to dig her.

 

[GoodMan32]

I'm not saying young girls don't like muscles. But college athletes have several things going from them. They're local (and sometimes national) celebrities. They're popular. They have fame. They have status. They're healthy, in shape, they can protect you. They have scholarships that are possibly taking them places in life. All things that attract women.

To expand upon what you said about college athletes getting scholarships, one thing that pisses me off is the fact that: In addition to getting easier cooch, college football players (when I was in college) got full rides (despite the fact most college football players are dumb as a stump...and many will never even make it to the NFL)

Meanwhile, the families of non-athletes (most of which will struggle to get cooch) have to pay a lot of money to send their kids to college. Talk about getting kicked when you're down.

And the special treatment college football players get has gotten even worse in the time since I graduated. College football players now have vehicles provided by the college. There's even talk of paying college football players.

 

[characternote]

girl in black is my type

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

So many God damn opinions on this but I want to hear your guys view and also say why you chose the answer. Me personally I think looks matter and it's pretty crazy pickup and game dudes discount it

Looks matter to people who have nothing else to offer. If your entire sense of worth is tied to physical appearance, you are not building connections, you are advertising. This obsession with how much looks matter says more about your insecurity than any universal truth. Reducing attraction to surface-level traits shows a lack of depth, maturity, and understanding of real human relationships. Maybe instead of obsessing over aesthetics, work on being someone worth knowing. If all you have is a jawline and an Instagram filter, you are just a hollow shell hoping someone mistakes it for substance.

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

Yes, they matter. But a lot of women wont chase you (like @BeExcellent for example). You could have solid looks but if you never initiate, never escalate, never lead the interaction etc you are going to leave a bunch of p00zy on the table.

If you see women as “p00zy on the table,” you’ve already lost. You’re not describing attraction, you’re describing entitlement. Women are not rewards for basic social competence, and no amount of “initiating” or “escalating” makes up for the fact that you view relationships like a transaction. You talk about leading like you’re directing a scene, not engaging with a person. Maybe instead of trying to “maximize return,” learn to respect boundaries and treat women like human beings. You are not a strategist in a dating game. You are just another guy confusing control with connection.

 

[Pandora]

My favorite type of "Fitness Chick"

Those might be BBL. Those butts look good tho. Why do we love butts so much..we know what comes out of it. Smh....gift and a curse.

 

[Plinco]

girl in black is my type
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Haha we have similar tastes.

 

[Dr.Suave]

If you see women as “p00zy on the table,” you’ve already lost.

What exactly have I lost? Last few years of my life have been full of success and improvement in different areas (including my current LTR) so its gonna be a hard disagree on that one, young grasshopper.

You’re not describing attraction, you’re describing entitlement.

Not really, you are just twisting.

You view relationships like a transaction.

I got newsflash for you: Most relationships are in fact transactional in a way or up to a point. That´s like basic Red Pill 101 and if you dont like it you are in the wrong place. What´s next? We are being sexist? We are objectifying women? Plate spinning is immoral? Give me a f0cking break.

Maybe instead of trying to “maximize return,”

I dont have to anymore, I got more p00zy offered to me in a silver platter than I know what to do with. But certain members might benefit from trying to "maximize return" as you say, depending on their personal circunstance and/or what point of their journey they are at.

You are derailing threads btw. Having been a Mod here for over a year, I know a thing or three about Trolls. I dont see any value in discussing anything with you anymore, so I will politely ask that you dont reply to this post, that you dont quote me, that you dont mention me, that you dont tag me, and that you dont address me either directly or indirectly, just pretend me or my posts dont exist. Failure to comply will be considered harassment, and harassment is against forum rules. Have a good day.

 

[SW15]

I'm not saying young girls don't like muscles. But college athletes have several things going from them. They're local (and sometimes national) celebrities. They're popular. They have fame. They have status. They're healthy, in shape, they can protect you. They have scholarships that are possibly taking them places in life. All things that attract women.

To expand upon what you said about college athletes getting scholarships, one thing that pisses me off is the fact that: In addition to getting easier cooch, college football players (when I was in college) got full rides (despite the fact most college football players are dumb as a stump...and many will never even make it to the NFL)

It's the combination of looks and status that get most college athletes laid. Occasionally, money is a factor if the specific college athlete is likely to go professional in his sport and he has a major payday coming. However, most college athletes with professional futures are likely to change girlfriends between college and the professional ranks.

College athletes in the smaller sports with no forthcoming payday are getting laid more on looks.

I have mentioned that one of my friends is a 6'4" White former collegiate athlete in a country club sport. On campus, he got laid more on his looks than anything else. 6'4" and an athletic physique helped a lot. I met him after college and he continued to succeed with women for many years. His success after college through his 20s was on a combination of looks and former collegiate athlete status. He was also good at venue selection as he focused his efforts on bars where bougie White women went. He had strong appeal with bougie White women.

Meanwhile, the families of non-athletes (most of which will struggle to get cooch) have to pay a lot of money to send their kids to college. Talk about getting kicked when you're down.

This happens. Students with families paying tuition/taking out student loans are often struggling to get laid. The first post of this thread below sums up college sex perfectly. @Jesse Pinkman said that most guys are not scoring that much on college campuses. I've also quoted it below.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

most college guys are not scoring at all.

I'd say that it is the prototypical 80:20 type of stuff. Most college guys do not score. On average, I'd say that most guys ended up having an LTR or two and that was it. Majority of the college men I knew were too focused on academics or just really overwhelmed to even consider chasing women. Most were very unaware of game. The guys who were hellbent on scoring usually pushed towards Greek Life or just going downtown a lot.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

Preach!!

Speaking from a woman’s perspective, I’ve always found it interesting how much personal preference varies. I'm personally super drawn to emo/scene guys or men who wear glasses for some reason. For me, there’s something about that style and aesthetic that I find really attractive. But I do know plenty of women who feel the complete opposite and are into completely different types. My friend really digs mustaches on guys, while I don't feel the same way.

And IMO, men do tend to be given more leniency in terms of appearance. I’ve noticed that a guy’s looks often don’t matter nearly as much as other qualities like his confidence, humor, or how he carries himself. From the girl's locker room, appearance can get you somewhere especially if a woman is into your look...but the vibes you project are going to make/break the connection.

Women are far more selective when it comes to looks, let's be honest.

 

[SW15]

Women are far more selective when it comes to looks, let's be honest.

Women are far more selective on everything.

Women have gotten more abundance in recent times and that has led to far greater selectivity.