How is it not worth it to date a girl who is less physically attractive but ticks all the other boxes?

[ubercat]

I m a bit saddened by this guys. Surely that's the point of sowing your wild oats. You ve bedded the hottest chicks you could manage discovered all cats are grey in the dark. Then settle down with the nicest girl you can find and build a life together. This whole convo seems to be missing raising kids, shared values and shared projects.

Now I d also suggest creating some wriggle room. Get her used to you not always being contactable. Create business or investing trips away. Then it's up to you pull a bar chick or pay a hooker or stay in and binge Netflix your call. Just don't ever confess. Your guilt is your burden dawg

The Europeans have been running things like this for centuries. Although in the age of swipe apps I wouldn't bother paying for a mistress in town.

 

[member159871]

Folks, let's stop with the self-delusion. I have never, in my entire life, met a man who could easily attract hotties but deliberately settled for an average or below average-looking woman. Men joke about it, make songs about it, but don't actually do it. When you see a man with an unattractive woman by his side, you can be sure that it's because he couldn't do any better.

I feel like most guys say "settle for an average girl" instead of going for a hot girl because they're too scared to shoot their shot with 9's and 10's.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I feel like most guys say "settle for an average girl" instead of going for a hot girl because they're too scared to shoot their shot with 9's and 10's.

Maybe they are just intimidated by the prospect of talking to models on instagram

 

[member159871]

Maybe they are just intimidated by the prospect of talking to models on instagram

Well at least talking to models on Instagram taught me that hot women are like anyone else.

 

[Bokanovsky]

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

In fairness, I think he's just trolling.

 

[devilkingx2]

Folks, let's stop with the self-delusion. I have never, in my entire life, met a man who could easily attract hotties but deliberately settled for an average or below average woman. Men joke about it, make songs about it, but don't actually do it. When you see a man with an unattractive woman by his side, you can be sure that it's because he couldn't get anyone better.

To be fair nobody can easily get hot girls, that's the whole point of the discussion.

We can reach the point where we can easily attract average girls; or we can put lots of effort in for the occasional hot girl. And the question is which is the better option.

 

[devilkingx2]

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

One of my favorite dating coaches made a video about the reality of dating models and how they're just like regular hot girls if not worse.

But to be fair he's talking about the average starving artist model in LA whereas it sounds like you're talking about what actual Victoria's Secret Angels are like.

 

[member159871]

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

I actually kinda agree with you tbh, thanks for your insight. But a question remains - if these models don't care about me, then why do they respond to me and talk to me on Instagram? Could it be for vaildation or something else? I don't have a blue check or tons of wealth, but I am a DJ and have pics of me DJing on my IG. I'd imagine they don't text all guys who DM them since there is likely a ton. Just curious.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Specifically in the context of an LTR, imagine you had to choose between the following:

a) Cluster B girl who's a 9/10 and pita to deal with, but great sex and attractive

b) Feminine, submissive, supportive, loyal, 5 or 6/10 who will cherish your soul


How is b) not the better option?

Ive had both

If your under 50 you will get bored and resentful of "B" because it's in your primal nature to want to sleep with hot women that make you hard

a 5/6 in anybody's book is usually a last resort , not a preference

Young men who settle for anything they can get tend to become bitter and usually little office b1tches

I was with a 7 for 4 years she was my best friend but that was it , the physical / sexual chemistry was just so weak

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Now i am seeing an "A" who is a 8/9 ..... most guys are going to sacrifice an arm to sleep with her

This offers more self fulfilment in terms of " look what i've got "

the sexual chemistry is also much stronger and i enjoy f@cking her more

But she's not ever really going to be my "best friend" i don't particularly trust her and sometimes she can be childish


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So which is better !?! well the answer is neither ...

as i said if your under 50 settling with a 5/6 is just going to make you resentful and make dream of what you could have been pumping

The relationship will get stale because the sexual attraction isn't really there

the " i dont have eyes for anyone else " thing is utter B.S men tell themselves to justify settling


on the flip side getting that 8 or 9 on your arm is like getting a trophy........ but its a trophy everyone else wants too so you get sucked into that world of constant competition anxiety and we all know its female nature to want to explore her options

My view is whilst your young your going to need to pivot between relationships with both women that are beneath you and women that are above you

As you get older and the sexual stuff becomes less of a demand then its time to settle with anyone who can be your "friend"

 

[Bokanovsky]

Not trolling

I was referring to the person you were responding to ("god of EDM").

 

[wifehunter]

An easy choice to make...when you can't afford a Ferrari

Even if I could afford a Ferrari... I wouldn't, buy expensive Italian junk.

I'd hunt down a used LFA instead.

 

[Kotaix]

if you can get the 10 then get the 10

if you can not get the 10 , do not say that 10 is sh1tier than a 6

same thing with cars , if you can get a bmw then get the bmw . If you can not get a bmw do not say that a ford is better

this is what haters do

Modern BMWs are crap cars with exorbitant maintenance costs and engineered obsolescence baked into them. The only thing they have going for them is the badge and perceived value.

This is a perfect analogy. Men want 10s like they want BMWs, and they want them because it validates their ego and it gives them something to show off, not because they're objectively better.

 

[member159871]

Todd V lol...
There are different type of models, not talking about VS models, they are not regular models they superstars top models.

I'm talking about regular models (mainboard or newfaces) that do test and creative shoot but never (almost) get paid jobs.

LA model industry is a bit different, it's not "fashion" but more wannabe actresses, swimsuit models, etc.

Models are regular girls in the sense tha they eat, they sleep, they take a sh1t once or twice per day but mentally they live in a different bubble, hot girl mentality++. Really difficult to get them.

So what about models who do runway work for high fashion designers? What are your thoughts on them?

 

[member160292]

This is a perfect analogy. Men want 10s like they want BMWs, and they want them because it validates their ego and it gives them something to show off, not because they're objectively better.

BMW's are fun as sh!t to drive, like HB10's. If you preemptively keep them in check, you'll get more mileage out of them. Expensive, but worth the ride.

 

[HaleyBaron]

a) Cluster B girl who's a 9/10 and pita to deal with, but great sex and attractive

b) Feminine, submissive, supportive, loyal, 5 or 6/10 who will cherish your soul

I choose both cause Im spinning plates and have a variety of women.

 

[The Duke]

Folks, let's stop with the self-delusion. I have never, in my entire life, met a man who could easily attract hotties but deliberately settled for an average or below average-looking woman. Men joke about it, make songs about it, but don't actually do it. When you see a man with an unattractive woman by his side, you can be sure that it's because he couldn't do any better.

I've got a good friend that did. He got his heart broke by a HB8-9 that ran off to Vegas to be a show girl and cheated on him once she got there. They had dated for years. That was the last hot girl he was ever with. He has always told me the HB 5-6's that he dates now treat him much better. I think he is insecure about being cheated on again. He is a good enough guy that nice looking girls approach him but he won't date them.

 

[The Duke]

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

So what attracts models to you?

 

[member160292]

@mikedee

What do you mean fighting the algorithm with online dating/Tinder?

 

[Bokanovsky]

Why? The game has changed, girls are flakey, they are constantly looking for better options, they're never satisfied. One day they are into you, the next day it's like you've never existed, for no reason. What makes everything more difficult is the fact that everything has to be done by text messages. It's really difficult to build attraction by text messages. You build attraction on dates, but you need to get the date, and to get the date there is usually some text game to do (I hate it). Guys who still believe in calling are completely disconnected, women don't answer the phone anymore. With hot girls there is no room for mistakes, even the slightest mistakes will get you disqualified. You are always "chasing" them, even if you don't chase. Dating models used to be easier, but with instagram, the world has put them on a pedestal. Actually you're not competing against other men, you're competing against instagram and their cellphone. they live for instagram and their iphone. And I think it's more difficult to get laid in Europe than in North America, I moved to Europe and I see the difference.

It takes a lot of work, commitment and perseverance to get laid with models and 9s,10s. I'm an expert because I did all the mistakes possible (and I still do make mistakes), got rejected you have no idea. I've tried Tinder, got laid a few times, but I rarely get matches, I only swipe the super babes. Plus I don't want to fight against the algorithm, I have better things to do. At least cold approach keeps me sharp. But I feel that my mental health is going down, a man needs to get laid on a regular basis, otherwise he goes crazy, not getting laid for extended periods of time is not healthy, it affects your "core" as a man, it really affects your well-being.

I don't think the game has changed all that much. You are now older but you want to keep dating girls in their early 20's. Nothing wrong with that but realistically, a guy in his mid to late 30's is going to have a hard time with that demographic without being HIGH STATUS. And you specifically stated that you had no status and were a nobody. You will have to either increase your status or start dating older girls.

 

[member159871]

Editorial and Runway models are my favourites, I like them 5.11 and extra skinny (borderline eating disorder), they have interesting and rare facial features, more natural too. They don't need makeup. They want to be cool, so they try to be interesting, +1 for the effort.
Commercial, fitness and swimsuit models are nice too but they are less "edgy", they are more "classic", super babe type. VS models are overrated, they are too toned and too old.

They are all entitled. All.

I have the same model preference too. I also think runway models care more about fashion than just their looks alone. I prefer actual models to IG models, they just seem less focused on being pretty and are more humble and down to earth. And they are naturally beautiful instead of having layers of makeup and IG filters.

They are entitled though, some less than others.