How is it not worth it to date a girl who is less physically attractive but ticks all the other boxes?

[Fruitbat]

Hotness is to some extent a myth.

Any man who’s lived with women know they have a constant battle against age and spend a lot of time working on skin, nails, hair etc.

Any woman who isn’t disfigured or fat - 80% of women, can go spend £1000 on hair extensions, nails and a killer slutty outfit and you’ll all be going “wow - she’s a 9. She’s so hot”

The next day, the same woman walks past you with a tracksuit on, disheveled hair and no make up and you’ll say “this chick is a 5”

So. Given “hotness” is largely acquired, what does a woman being hot tell you?

It tells you she prioritises her sexual appeal to the opposite sex. It’s important to her.

And what does this mean? It means she is more likely to cheat, she is more likely to be high maintenance and insecure. She is going to be all the things you hate in women - hyperganous etc.

Female sexual appeal is all false everything. Look through it to see the truth.

A chick gets pumped and dumped by a gym bro. We all know why the gym bro is a gym bro - to pump and dump women.

In the same way, women know why a hot Girl is a hot girl - to manipulate and control men. Figure it out.

 

[member160761]

Going lower causes an immense amount of anxiety and palpable fear in them. They think they're going to be used. Never lasts more than a couple dates for me. They reject fast to avoid being hurt and seem to lack seductive abilities. The more attractive women are more well-calibrated and know that if I "used" them it would be my loss regardless.

Damn you're right. Right now I'm a soft 8 and should become a hard 8 to avoid these above average girls with insecurities that top the Mt. Everest. I noticed drop-dead gorgeous women don't act like this and sensed a greater sense of loyalty than the other way around.

 

[EyeBRollin]

She's going to want to amend that "deal" before too long

Yep. Then back to the streets she goes!

 

[Bokanovsky]

high maintenance Ferrari vs Toyota Camry

Camry every time. : )

An easy choice to make...when you can't afford a Ferrari

 

[Bokanovsky]

Folks, let's stop with the self-delusion. I have never, in my entire life, met a man who could easily attract hotties but deliberately settled for an average or below average-looking woman. Men joke about it, make songs about it, but don't actually do it. When you see a man with an unattractive woman by his side, you can be sure that it's because he couldn't do any better.

 

[ubercat]

I m a bit saddened by this guys. Surely that's the point of sowing your wild oats. You ve bedded the hottest chicks you could manage discovered all cats are grey in the dark. Then settle down with the nicest girl you can find and build a life together. This whole convo seems to be missing raising kids, shared values and shared projects.

Now I d also suggest creating some wriggle room. Get her used to you not always being contactable. Create business or investing trips away. Then it's up to you pull a bar chick or pay a hooker or stay in and binge Netflix your call. Just don't ever confess. Your guilt is your burden dawg

The Europeans have been running things like this for centuries. Although in the age of swipe apps I wouldn't bother paying for a mistress in town.

 

[member159871]

Folks, let's stop with the self-delusion. I have never, in my entire life, met a man who could easily attract hotties but deliberately settled for an average or below average-looking woman. Men joke about it, make songs about it, but don't actually do it. When you see a man with an unattractive woman by his side, you can be sure that it's because he couldn't do any better.

I feel like most guys say "settle for an average girl" instead of going for a hot girl because they're too scared to shoot their shot with 9's and 10's.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I feel like most guys say "settle for an average girl" instead of going for a hot girl because they're too scared to shoot their shot with 9's and 10's.

Maybe they are just intimidated by the prospect of talking to models on instagram

 

[member159871]

Maybe they are just intimidated by the prospect of talking to models on instagram

Well at least talking to models on Instagram taught me that hot women are like anyone else.

 

[mikedee]

Hell even when it comes to models not all of them are self entitled.

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

 

[Bokanovsky]

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

In fairness, I think he's just trolling.

 

[devilkingx2]

Folks, let's stop with the self-delusion. I have never, in my entire life, met a man who could easily attract hotties but deliberately settled for an average or below average woman. Men joke about it, make songs about it, but don't actually do it. When you see a man with an unattractive woman by his side, you can be sure that it's because he couldn't get anyone better.

To be fair nobody can easily get hot girls, that's the whole point of the discussion.

We can reach the point where we can easily attract average girls; or we can put lots of effort in for the occasional hot girl. And the question is which is the better option.

 

[devilkingx2]

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

One of my favorite dating coaches made a video about the reality of dating models and how they're just like regular hot girls if not worse.

But to be fair he's talking about the average starving artist model in LA whereas it sounds like you're talking about what actual Victoria's Secret Angels are like.

 

[member159871]

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

I actually kinda agree with you tbh, thanks for your insight. But a question remains - if these models don't care about me, then why do they respond to me and talk to me on Instagram? Could it be for vaildation or something else? I don't have a blue check or tons of wealth, but I am a DJ and have pics of me DJing on my IG. I'd imagine they don't text all guys who DM them since there is likely a ton. Just curious.

 

[mikedee]

I actually kinda agree with you tbh, thanks for your insight. But a question remains - if these models don't care about me, then why do they respond to me and talk to me on Instagram? Could it be for vaildation or something else? I don't have a blue check or tons of wealth, but I am a DJ and have pics of me DJing on my IG. I'd imagine they don't text all guys who DM them since there is likely a ton. Just curious.

this is what they do, on instagram, tinder, whatsapp, etc. They want to be entertained, validated, but at the end of the day they have no intention to go on a date with you. Most of the time they are just not interested, if they were you would date them, but from what I understand you message girls that live in other cities/countries, waste of time.

 

[mikedee]

One of my favorite dating coaches made a video about the reality of dating models and how they're just like regular hot girls if not worse.

But to be fair he's talking about the average starving artist model in LA whereas it sounds like you're talking about what actual Victoria's Secret Angels are like.

Todd V lol...
There are different type of models, not talking about VS models, they are not regular models they superstars top models.

I'm talking about regular models (mainboard or newfaces) that do test and creative shoot but never (almost) get paid jobs.

LA model industry is a bit different, it's not "fashion" but more wannabe actresses, swimsuit models, etc.

Models are regular girls in the sense tha they eat, they sleep, they take a sh1t once or twice per day but mentally they live in a different bubble, hot girl mentality++. Really difficult to get them.

 

[mikedee]

In fairness, I think he's just trolling.

Not trolling

 

[Bingo-Player]

Specifically in the context of an LTR, imagine you had to choose between the following:

a) Cluster B girl who's a 9/10 and pita to deal with, but great sex and attractive

b) Feminine, submissive, supportive, loyal, 5 or 6/10 who will cherish your soul


How is b) not the better option?

Ive had both

If your under 50 you will get bored and resentful of "B" because it's in your primal nature to want to sleep with hot women that make you hard

a 5/6 in anybody's book is usually a last resort , not a preference

Young men who settle for anything they can get tend to become bitter and usually little office b1tches

I was with a 7 for 4 years she was my best friend but that was it , the physical / sexual chemistry was just so weak

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Now i am seeing an "A" who is a 8/9 ..... most guys are going to sacrifice an arm to sleep with her

This offers more self fulfilment in terms of " look what i've got "

the sexual chemistry is also much stronger and i enjoy f@cking her more

But she's not ever really going to be my "best friend" i don't particularly trust her and sometimes she can be childish


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So which is better !?! well the answer is neither ...

as i said if your under 50 settling with a 5/6 is just going to make you resentful and make dream of what you could have been pumping

The relationship will get stale because the sexual attraction isn't really there

the " i dont have eyes for anyone else " thing is utter B.S men tell themselves to justify settling


on the flip side getting that 8 or 9 on your arm is like getting a trophy........ but its a trophy everyone else wants too so you get sucked into that world of constant competition anxiety and we all know its female nature to want to explore her options

My view is whilst your young your going to need to pivot between relationships with both women that are beneath you and women that are above you

As you get older and the sexual stuff becomes less of a demand then its time to settle with anyone who can be your "friend"

 

[Bokanovsky]

Not trolling

I was referring to the person you were responding to ("god of EDM").

 

[wifehunter]

An easy choice to make...when you can't afford a Ferrari

Even if I could afford a Ferrari... I wouldn't, buy expensive Italian junk.

I'd hunt down a used LFA instead.