How is it not worth it to date a girl who is less physically attractive but ticks all the other boxes?

[mikedee]

I was referring to the person you were responding to ("god of EDM").

Well I don't think he is a troll, but I think he is delusional. He is probably young, he doesn't have much experience. He wants to believe that he can, but the reality is that he can't.

 

[Kotaix]

if you can get the 10 then get the 10

if you can not get the 10 , do not say that 10 is sh1tier than a 6

same thing with cars , if you can get a bmw then get the bmw . If you can not get a bmw do not say that a ford is better

this is what haters do

Modern BMWs are crap cars with exorbitant maintenance costs and engineered obsolescence baked into them. The only thing they have going for them is the badge and perceived value.

This is a perfect analogy. Men want 10s like they want BMWs, and they want them because it validates their ego and it gives them something to show off, not because they're objectively better.

 

[member159871]

Todd V lol...
There are different type of models, not talking about VS models, they are not regular models they superstars top models.

I'm talking about regular models (mainboard or newfaces) that do test and creative shoot but never (almost) get paid jobs.

LA model industry is a bit different, it's not "fashion" but more wannabe actresses, swimsuit models, etc.

Models are regular girls in the sense tha they eat, they sleep, they take a sh1t once or twice per day but mentally they live in a different bubble, hot girl mentality++. Really difficult to get them.

So what about models who do runway work for high fashion designers? What are your thoughts on them?

 

[member160292]

This is a perfect analogy. Men want 10s like they want BMWs, and they want them because it validates their ego and it gives them something to show off, not because they're objectively better.

BMW's are fun as sh!t to drive, like HB10's. If you preemptively keep them in check, you'll get more mileage out of them. Expensive, but worth the ride.

 

[HaleyBaron]

a) Cluster B girl who's a 9/10 and pita to deal with, but great sex and attractive

b) Feminine, submissive, supportive, loyal, 5 or 6/10 who will cherish your soul

I choose both cause Im spinning plates and have a variety of women.

 

[The Duke]

Folks, let's stop with the self-delusion. I have never, in my entire life, met a man who could easily attract hotties but deliberately settled for an average or below average-looking woman. Men joke about it, make songs about it, but don't actually do it. When you see a man with an unattractive woman by his side, you can be sure that it's because he couldn't do any better.

I've got a good friend that did. He got his heart broke by a HB8-9 that ran off to Vegas to be a show girl and cheated on him once she got there. They had dated for years. That was the last hot girl he was ever with. He has always told me the HB 5-6's that he dates now treat him much better. I think he is insecure about being cheated on again. He is a good enough guy that nice looking girls approach him but he won't date them.

 

[The Duke]

If have worked as a fashion photographer for a while, in NYC and Moscow. I have dated a lot of models (agency's models) and "model like" (tall skinny hot), my ex was a model. I've have worked as a DJ too.

I've read some of your posts about models and Russian girls. You're so naive, funny. You're the guy who talks about models all the time but never dated one. Trying to dm them on instagram won't get you any models, trust me.

They are pretty much all entitled, to different levels. The ones that "are not" entitled (yet) are the ones still underage who go to casting with their mother. They haven't experienced the "model lifestyle" yet, which is being sent in another country, live 8 models in a studio, have thousands of dollars in depth, but get free drinks free dinners everywhere, go out with promoters etc. What the agency does is putting them on a pedestal, the moment they sign the contract, they are allowed to think they are superior human beings.

If you want to get models you gotta be minimum 6f tall, good looking, stylish, game, have something special about you (status or working in a field that attracts models), and ideally if you want to get la crème de la crème in terms of models, you need money, a lot.
They start being nice when they see you as higher value, pretty difficult to be higher value than a model (from a society standpoint), no wonder why we call them "models"

Models don't like to work, they want to live the high life and get validation 24/24. Their identity is based on being a model, being signed with some big agencies Ford, Elite, Women, etc. They show off, but most of them don't work, competitive.

Chitchatting random models on ig is useless, they don't give a fvck about you, unless you have a blue check or show $ or look like a male model (ideally the 3 combined). There are some exceptions though, very few.

And by the way, Russian models are the worst
wake up, you live in a fantasy.

So what attracts models to you?

 

[mikedee]

So what attracts models to you?

+'s
I'm good looking (I take care of myself: I don't smoke, no drugs, eat "well", don't drink that much)
I'm 6'2", almost 6'3"
I'm fit/athletic (I work out)
I have hair, of course my hairline is receiding but at least not bald. It doesn't really show with a nice haircut
I dress well, I have my own style, I'm funky.
I speak 3 languages (French, English, Russian, learning Czech and German)
I have game, understand female nature,
I'm not afraid to approach girls, infact I only approach models or models look alike.
I have experience with models with super hot girls
I lived in Russia (model paradise), now I'm in Prague (lot of models in Prague).
Former DJ and fashion photographer
I'm interesting
I'm sure some people consider me as a "Chad"(I'm no Chad)

-'s
I'm getting older (mid-30s), dating 19-24yo most of the time. Not a minus but more complicated
I'm a student (university), never too late to get a diploma but not the best situation.
My finances
I'm not active on social medias (instagram, tiktok,etc)
no status, I'm nobody
I'm a lone wolf, sigma male? (I'm ok with that)

To be honest with you, it was way easier a few years ago. Even with all those "+" I have, I have a hard time getting laid. It's been almost 2 years since the last time I got laid, 2 years. It's a long asss time for a guy who used to have 3-4 girls in rotation and super hot girlfriends. I approach everyday, on a good day I can get 3-4 phones numbers of 8s, 9s and even 10's, I'm a pro. At school I get mad IOIs all the time, still almost impossible to pull even if I get phone numbers and dates. I tried to lower my standards to see if I would get laid more, doesn't work.

Why? The game has changed, girls are flakey, they are constantly looking for better options, they're never satisfied. One day they are into you, the next day it's like you've never existed, for no reason. What makes everything more difficult is the fact that everything has to be done by text messages. It's really difficult to build attraction by text messages. You build attraction on dates, but you need to get the date, and to get the date there is usually some text game to do (I hate it). Guys who still believe in calling are completely disconnected, women don't answer the phone anymore. With hot girls there is no room for mistakes, even the slightest mistakes will get you disqualified. You are always "chasing" them, even if you don't chase. Dating models used to be easier, but with instagram, the world has put them on a pedestal. Actually you're not competing against other men, you're competing against instagram and their cellphone. they live for instagram and their iphone. And I think it's more difficult to get laid in Europe than in North America, I moved to Europe and I see the difference.

It takes a lot of work, commitment and perseverance to get laid with models and 9s,10s. I'm an expert because I did all the mistakes possible (and I still do make mistakes), got rejected you have no idea. I've tried Tinder, got laid a few times, but I rarely get matches, I only swipe the super babes. Plus I don't want to fight against the algorithm, I have better things to do. At least cold approach keeps me sharp. But I feel that my mental health is going down, a man needs to get laid on a regular basis, otherwise he goes crazy, not getting laid for extended periods of time is not healthy, it affects your "core" as a man, it really affects your well-being.

 

[member160292]

@mikedee

What do you mean fighting the algorithm with online dating/Tinder?

 

[mikedee]

So what about models who do runway work for high fashion designers? What are your thoughts on them?

Editorial and Runway models are my favourites, I like them 5.11 and extra skinny (borderline eating disorder), they have interesting and rare facial features, more natural too. They don't need makeup. They want to be cool, so they try to be interesting, +1 for the effort.
Commercial, fitness and swimsuit models are nice too but they are less "edgy", they are more "classic", super babe type. VS models are overrated, they are too toned and too old.

They are all entitled. All.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Why? The game has changed, girls are flakey, they are constantly looking for better options, they're never satisfied. One day they are into you, the next day it's like you've never existed, for no reason. What makes everything more difficult is the fact that everything has to be done by text messages. It's really difficult to build attraction by text messages. You build attraction on dates, but you need to get the date, and to get the date there is usually some text game to do (I hate it). Guys who still believe in calling are completely disconnected, women don't answer the phone anymore. With hot girls there is no room for mistakes, even the slightest mistakes will get you disqualified. You are always "chasing" them, even if you don't chase. Dating models used to be easier, but with instagram, the world has put them on a pedestal. Actually you're not competing against other men, you're competing against instagram and their cellphone. they live for instagram and their iphone. And I think it's more difficult to get laid in Europe than in North America, I moved to Europe and I see the difference.

It takes a lot of work, commitment and perseverance to get laid with models and 9s,10s. I'm an expert because I did all the mistakes possible (and I still do make mistakes), got rejected you have no idea. I've tried Tinder, got laid a few times, but I rarely get matches, I only swipe the super babes. Plus I don't want to fight against the algorithm, I have better things to do. At least cold approach keeps me sharp. But I feel that my mental health is going down, a man needs to get laid on a regular basis, otherwise he goes crazy, not getting laid for extended periods of time is not healthy, it affects your "core" as a man, it really affects your well-being.

I don't think the game has changed all that much. You are now older but you want to keep dating girls in their early 20's. Nothing wrong with that but realistically, a guy in his mid to late 30's is going to have a hard time with that demographic without being HIGH STATUS. And you specifically stated that you had no status and were a nobody. You will have to either increase your status or start dating older girls.

 

[mikedee]

@mikedee

What do you mean fighting the algorithm with online dating/Tinder?

I'm talking about the Elo score and the fact that if you want a brand new start you have to buy a new device, new simcard (#), take new pictures, new email and sign up from a new location. The whole tinder system is designed to make you pay. You get less free swipe, less visibility, you pay more depending on your age, boosts dont work that much anymore. Same thing for Hinge, Bumble, etc..

 

[mikedee]

And I don't think the game has changed all that much. You are now older but you want to keep dating girls in their early 20's. Nothing wrong with that but realistically, a guy in his mid to late 30's is going to have a hard time with that demographic without being HIGH STATUS. And you specifically stated that you have no status and are a nobody. You will have to either increase your status or start dating older girls.

Yes I agree, but same story with women of my age (or age range 26-30). If I look at the guys I study with (19-21), I would guess that 75% are virgin. Dating has changed, a lot, but yes I'm older and it plays against me. The perfect age range for me was 25-30.
Status is important but not that much, money is. You can have status but no money, but usually when you have money you have some kind of "status".

 

[member159871]

Editorial and Runway models are my favourites, I like them 5.11 and extra skinny (borderline eating disorder), they have interesting and rare facial features, more natural too. They don't need makeup. They want to be cool, so they try to be interesting, +1 for the effort.
Commercial, fitness and swimsuit models are nice too but they are less "edgy", they are more "classic", super babe type. VS models are overrated, they are too toned and too old.

They are all entitled. All.

I have the same model preference too. I also think runway models care more about fashion than just their looks alone. I prefer actual models to IG models, they just seem less focused on being pretty and are more humble and down to earth. And they are naturally beautiful instead of having layers of makeup and IG filters.

They are entitled though, some less than others.

 

[mikedee]

I have the same model preference too. I also think runway models care more about fashion than just their looks alone. I prefer actual models to IG models, they just seem less focused on being pretty and are more humble and down to earth. And they are naturally beautiful instead of having layers of makeup and IG filters.

They are entitled though, some less than others.

IG model = not a model. A model is a girl who works for a model agency and has signed a contract.

 

[member159871]

IG model = not a model. A model is a girl who works for a model agency and has signed a contract.

Yep exactly. As entitled as agency models are they’re nowhere near as entitled as IG models. Agency models are at least doing it for the fashion as opposed to showing off their ass so they can get thirsty dudes to follow them.

 

[member160292]

Yes I agree, but same story with women of my age (or age range 26-30). If I look at the guys I study with (19-21), I would guess that 75% are virgin. Dating has changed, a lot, but yes I'm older and it plays against me. The perfect age range for me was 25-30.
Status is important but not that much, money is. You can have status but no money, but usually when you have money you have some kind of "status".

True, money is very much correlated to lifestyle, which is status in a nutshell. Focus on making money and the rest of attraction is easy. You’re building your life, if a chick decides to come along then great! If not, there will be one that follows suit. Having ‘game’ is not a bag of tricks. Women sniff that out. Don’t try to match personalities, have them them align with yours