How Feminism Ruined Dating

[zekko]

Because women really ARE capable of conducting themselves in more holistically likeable and agreeable ways while they're in your presences. We KNOW this because we've SEEN IT, and LIVED IT."

Unfortunately, there is little motivation for these women to change, since there are always a large group of PUAs driving up their value.

 

[Atom Smasher]

The Veteran Soldiers who have dropped knowledge in this thread so far don't appear to be whining, or bytching and moaning from my vantage point.

Rather, what I hear them saying is THIS:

"Don't believe that you have to settle for behavior in women that is of a lower standard than you would like for it to be. Don't twist and contort yourself into a pretzel just for the "privilege" of throwing your dycks into some pussssy "on the reg".VU

That's it exactly.

WE are the ones who can take action. But we can't effectively take action on a challenge unless we collectively define what the challenge is in the first place.

When we mold ourselves, or twist and contort ourselves to conform to the expectations of women, all in the interest of gatting laid, we diminish ourselves. We are conforming, we are being reactive in this case. But we are men. We are supposed to set the tone, to make the demands. Right now, the direct opposite is happening, and we find ourselves conforming to societal expectations that are truly upside-down.

Some may call it complaining. I call it defining and strategizing.

Feminism is the direct result of men being afraid and ashamed to challenge it.

Women have a completely external locus of control. Every aspect of their personality comes from without, from external sources. Ever notice how your girlfriend always parrots back your own material, as if she thought of it?

Because of this external locus of control, they will do anything and everything they are allowed to get away with. Feminism grew simply because the external stimulus was allowed by us men. Those guys before us were ashamed of their own masculine power.

How about you? Are you ashamed? Are you willing to look beyond what you see outside of your little window and understand that history shows us that women actually behaved much differently before you yourself graced this planet with your presence? And that there are people here and now that lived through those very different times?

So my point is that women will act and think according to societal expectation, for the most part. We men need to change that societal expectation by not accepting their entitled, bratty, princess behavior.

This is in essence the DJ way anyway. But let's never be afraid to discuss the challenge and lay out the problems that stand before us, so that we can by consensus work to make a change for the better.

 

[Tazman]

Expecting people, not just women, to give up any perceived advantage is a pointless exercise. People change their behavior when they have no choice, or the consequences outweigh the benefits. Things are constantly changing, we live in a world that is moving faster than our biologies can keep up with. It's no coincidence that feminism took root and prospered. This wouldn't have been possible at any other time in history.

It's the nature of human beings. If things become too unbalanced, maybe it will change in the future, but I seriously doubt it will happen in the lifetimes of all of us posting here today. Arming yourself with game and the awareness of the methods used by women is all you can do. There are a lot more men caught up in the matrix than not.

 

[Blusher]

Why whine about things we can't change, let's just get down to business. Ironically, this getting down to business (as Victory Unlimited defines it) is the only real way to effect change.

Absolutely! Eversince I turned 17, I was too busy having sex or looking for it to contemplate and think about the effects of Feminism. Yet I learnt a great deal about women (and in very pleasurable ways) as well as learning to stand up for myself, make no excuse for being a man etc.

But that didn't make me bitter or obsessed about evil feminists. I just don't care, I live the way I want to and I'm not trying to change the world but if anything, I lead by example because I never put women on a pedestal simply because of their gender or my attraction to them.

Saying that, not putting them on a pedestal doesnt equal 'despising them' based simply on their gender either. That seems to be the Rocky road taken by certain men who are desperate to change the world that they soon realize it's an impossible task that leave them bitter and helpless... So they turn they hatred to women and other men who don't see things their way.

 

[zekko]

When we mold ourselves, or twist and contort ourselves to conform to the expectations of women, all in the interest of gatting laid, we diminish ourselves.

Not necessarily. I imagine that you're talking about becoming AFC and supplicant to please women, in which case you're right.

But some guys come here trying to find out how to truly attract women and learn that they can only do this by learning to be masculine, or learning to be a real man.
I look at it this way: If I am acting in a way that is attractive to females, then I must be fulfilling my proper role as a male. Because the true masculine will attract the true feminine, if that makes any sense. So by becoming more true to your own masculinity, and the male role, you are not only becoming more attractive to females, you are becoming a better man.

This is confused to some extent by those who say that women these days will reject the masculine, and instead go for the feminized AFC types who will supplicate to them. But then you have to question if that is true attraction. These women may also be very selfish (they seek the attention from being worshipped by the AFC) and thus should be written off anyway.