Hooking up is not viable in 2023?

[obelisk]

Is IG game more of a passive attraction game where the women slide into your DMs based off of your feed vs OLD where you're swiping right? Or are you actively hunting out the IGs of chicks you find attractive and DMing them first?

 

[Xman]

How about Seeking Arrangements? I heard that one is like taking candy from a baby. I heard it’s the new Hinge so it might be my next go with OLD. Anybody try it?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Is IG game more of a passive attraction game where the women slide into your DMs based off of your feed vs OLD where you're swiping right? Or are you actively hunting out the IGs of chicks you find attractive and DMing them first?

For me, it works like this:

I meet attractive women in the street. We talk, I give them my IG and when they contact me there, I will tell them how I enjoyed meeting them as well and set up a date if possible.

Women come up in my notifications for 'liking' my photos. If I like them back (not all are attractive to me), I will send them a message asking them whether we met in Amsterdam. From there on, some conversations lead to dates, others to nothing (mostly because they are not in Amsterdam).

Re: dating apps
I use Tinder and OKCupid only for finding rope models and while it works somewhat, the ROI is abominable. So I mostly swipe a bit when I'm bored on the toilet, but dating apps are skewed and don't have many attractive real women (there are attractive women on there, but most are male scammers who use other people's pictures or attention wh0res trying to get you to validate their IG/OF.

 

[nzrod]

It all happens in the private messages (or DMs -- Direct Messages).

How do you find girls in your area in your age range on Insta?

 

[Solomon]

How about Seeking Arrangements? I heard that one is like taking candy from a baby. I heard it’s the new Hinge so it might be my next go with OLD. Anybody try it?

Be careful I've heard horror stories of guys getting robbed and std's

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I use Tinder and OKCupid only for finding rope models and while it works somewhat, the ROI is abominable. So I mostly swipe a bit when I'm bored on the toilet, but dating apps are skewed and don't have many attractive real women (there are attractive women on there, but most are male scammers who use other people's pictures or attention wh0res trying to get you to validate their IG/OF.

I ditched both Tinder and OKC yesterday after Tinder suddenly wanted me to perform for the camera to get 'verified'. No thanks. I'll find something else to do on the toilet.

 

[Gamisch]

Ive had this new theory bubbling inside of me after about a decade of game (minus 3ish years for a relationship who I met thru game):

In the US in 2023, long-term bachelorhood is no longer a viable option for some types of guys.

In different terms: the more complex and chaotic a culture is, the better it is for many of us to stabilize our relationships and focus on the long term. A big reason being to avoid self-destruction.

Consider the following: increased loneliness due to suburbs, long commutes, lack of walkable cities, lack of any interesting social scenes, and increased tech addiction leading to social ineptitude. Consider the impact of feminism on our culture and how disappointing the dating scene has become.

I think a long-term game lifestyle would have been better in different times and/or different places. Some examples:

Pre-tech era fun social scenes especially in big cities like NYC, time period: 80s, 90s.
Modern day: 2nd or 3rd world countries minimally impacted by feminism.
Modern day: US cities but have to be a top 5% guy, cash and lifestyle. I know a short asian dude in his 50s who bangs 8-9s cuz he's got a yacht and is loaded.

But right now, we live in too chaotic a time. There is too much complexity and social change. It's not a fun time of joie de vivre at least in my eyes (call me cynical) but I don't feel it. There seems to be sadness and void. Is this really the time to prance around like everything is great and go hunting? I mean I get being careless in a sort of masculine way but is this really the time and place? I think most of us will self-destruct by living this way bc the lack of deep relationships + the chaotic social/professional world we live in will be too much on our nervous systems.

I think this is the time to get serious. The world is falling to sh1t and hook up culture is wack and dissapointing. The music, the art, the movies, they're all trash. I seriously think it's better to just find a solid chick and create your own world or just go monk mode.

I know some of you can relate. Not all of you. But it's a call to higher living.

I don't know if everyone gets what it is your saying. On the other hand ,everyone will have his own way of interpreting the message . The way I read it , i agree 10000% with this. Everyone now knows about " the mythical badboy who women love " and this agenda that teaches us to be azzholes and d1cks instead of nice, congruent gentlemen. Men rather act like criminals and show degenerate ways, BUT NOT ME THO!!!

Hardly ever do I meet a sane woman these days. Hardly ever do I meet a stand up guy grounded in his masculinity whose NOT a huge simp. Men aren't honest anymore, and true brotherhood seems like a lost art. Women are holding out for Mr perfect, and that makes men step out of the game completely in a unhealthy way.

Young kids are severely frustrated , a lotta guys ages around 17-20 are soley fecking hookers.

Look fellas , the ONLY thing that you can do is to get more and more and more in touch with your spiritual being. It's a huge fight just alone to stay sane, clean and sober and decline the many, many forms of addictive stuff they throw at us like games porn Netflix, soft porn like Only fans , I saw a thread about AMSR(??) where a woman can simply put on and off clothes and make money with it.

I dont know about y'all , but the More I get in touch with my spiritual being, the more I'm aware of my worth. Here are some things I use personally to keep my head above the water;


-work out. Psychically challange yourself often
- don't count on other people's sanity in these crasy times
-pick up a (acient) philosophy ,or maybe 2 or even 3
-pray to whatever God suites you
- IMPORTANT!!! ; stay AWAY from mind numbing entertainment such as games, porn, netflix ect. These seem innocent, but they're far from innocent...
- eat healthy. Don't consume too many fastfood, cook with whole foods, nd always conscious
- be patient when ( dealing with) dating..find ways to discipline yourself sexually. why? The last thing you want /need is being dependent upon the mercy of these crazy Jezebels.
- embrace your hobbies more and more. Live to conquer your long awaited challenges/things on your bucket list.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Look fellas , the ONLY thing that you can do is to get more and more and more in touch with your spiritual being. It's a huge fight just alone to stay sane, clean and sober and decline the many, many forms of addictive stuff they throw at us like games porn Netflix, soft porn like Only fans , I saw a thread about AMSR(??) where a woman can simply put on and off clothes and make money with it.

This is exactly what I mean. I've been going to church recently and I'm not even known to be religeous but in my current experience, it's the only thing that makes sense. Its already taking me EVERYTHING to fight off the urge to self-destruct day in and day out and avoid all the vices and BS around me. Getting in touch with my spirituality and sort of disengaging from the world of hedonism seems to be the only worthwhile path for me. Someone recently posted a quote by Shopenhauer and his thoughts on asceticism as the only way to negate the will. I agree. And again, I don't think we live in an age where hedonism is remotely fun or fulfilling. Compare that to the guerilla fighter who gets taken into a friendly village and hooks up with some chick, that's fun, that's adventure! But being in today's stale trash ghetto sexual market place is just pure masochism.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Disagree. There are more long term bachelors in the USA now as compared to points in the past. Long term bachelorhood looks different now. It's mainly incel to borderline incel men and MGTOWs.

A lot of these long term bachelors are consuming a lot of porn and are pay pigs on OnlyFans.

That's what I mean. It's not a fun viable option for most men. Most men eat sh1t while 3 dudes get all the results.

And to the rest of ur comment, that's my further point, the cities we live in are not set up for an optimal social experience. They are set up for an optimal business experience in some industries though but that's about it.

 

[EndlessNameless]

Ive had this new theory bubbling inside of me after about a decade of game (minus 3ish years for a relationship who I met thru game):

In the US in 2023, long-term bachelorhood is no longer a viable option for some types of guys.

In different terms: the more complex and chaotic a culture is, the better it is for many of us to stabilize our relationships and focus on the long term. A big reason being to avoid self-destruction.

Consider the following: increased loneliness due to suburbs, long commutes, lack of walkable cities, lack of any interesting social scenes, and increased tech addiction leading to social ineptitude. Consider the impact of feminism on our culture and how disappointing the dating scene has become.

I think a long-term game lifestyle would have been better in different times and/or different places. Some examples:

Pre-tech era fun social scenes especially in big cities like NYC, time period: 80s, 90s.
Modern day: 2nd or 3rd world countries minimally impacted by feminism.
Modern day: US cities but have to be a top 5% guy, cash and lifestyle. I know a short asian dude in his 50s who bangs 8-9s cuz he's got a yacht and is loaded.

But right now, we live in too chaotic a time. There is too much complexity and social change. It's not a fun time of joie de vivre at least in my eyes (call me cynical) but I don't feel it. There seems to be sadness and void. Is this really the time to prance around like everything is great and go hunting? I mean I get being careless in a sort of masculine way but is this really the time and place? I think most of us will self-destruct by living this way bc the lack of deep relationships + the chaotic social/professional world we live in will be too much on our nervous systems.

I think this is the time to get serious. The world is falling to sh1t and hook up culture is wack and dissapointing. The music, the art, the movies, they're all trash. I seriously think it's better to just find a solid chick and create your own world or just go monk mode.

I know some of you can relate. Not all of you. But it's a call to higher living.

Fully agree with what is said here.

However it is strange how sometimes my negative view of the dating market and today's society in general does not correspond to what I see in reality:
- all my work colleagues are married or in a long term relationships
- I see a lot of 20 something happy couples in the street.
- A girl recently told me that all her friends are getting married. There was a bridal fair in my city recently and the event was packed.

 

[obelisk]

However it is strange how sometimes my negative view of the dating market and today's society in general does not correspond to what I see in reality:
- all my work colleagues are married or in a long term relationships
- I see a lot of 20 something happy couples in the street.
- A girl recently told me that all her friends are getting married. There was a bridal fair in my city recently and the event was packed.

Perception does not equal reality. Remember, the hivemind and feminism want you to buy into the lie.

How many of those men in those marriages or LTRs are happy?
How many of those marriages are sexless?
How many of those marriages of your coworkers will ultimately end up in divorce with the guy getting divorce raped (over 50%)?
How many of those 20-something couples are destined to last?
How many of them are simply in the honeymoon phase?
How many of that girl's friends are simply late 20s/early 30s and simply locking down a guy, ANY guy because their biological clocks are ticking and they desperately want to have kids and the guy be damned?
How many of the men they intend to marry are completely oblivious to the sad realities of marriage these days for men and how it can/will financially and emotionally destroy them in divorce if they choose the wrong mate and don't end up as another sad statistic?
How many of those women are viewing these guys as starter husbands that they will trade up in a few years once the post-honeymoon glow wears off?

There is a reason white hetero post-divorce men age 40-54 have the highest rates of suicide in America.

Yep. Dating market sucks. Just be careful when you start to think that it is actually fluffy clouds and rainbows (either at present or a few years down the road) for all these people. Far better to be informed and forewarned.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Fully agree with what is said here.

However it is strange how sometimes my negative view of the dating market and today's society in general does not correspond to what I see in reality:
- all my work colleagues are married or in a long term relationships
- I see a lot of 20 something happy couples in the street.
- A girl recently told me that all her friends are getting married. There was a bridal fair in my city recently and the event was packed.

Yeah that's a good point! I know some guys who regularly get laid too but in my experience, it's the guys who are kind of dumb alphas. I don't know, all I know is I have a lot better luck with hotter, more sophisticated women to some degree. One of my issues is that I take women personally in the US, I find their communication style extremely distasteful which makes it hard for me to wanna pursue. Or when I'm on drugs. Maybe I'm just not really wired for easy fun quick lays. I dont know but I know a lot of people share my view/experience. I guess deep down I don't know. Although I have friends who do amazingly well over seas but get dog sh1t over here.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Perception does not equal reality. Remember, the hivemind and feminism want you to buy into the lie.

How many of those men in those marriages or LTRs are happy?
How many of those marriages are sexless?
How many of those marriages of your coworkers will ultimately end up in divorce with the guy getting divorce raped (over 50%)?
How many of those 20-something couples are destined to last?
How many of them are simply in the honeymoon phase?
How many of that girl's friends are simply late 20s/early 30s and simply locking down a guy, ANY guy because their biological clocks are ticking and they desperately want to have kids and the guy be damned?
How many of the men they intend to marry are completely oblivious to the sad realities of marriage these days for men and how it can/will financially and emotionally destroy them in divorce if they choose the wrong mate and don't end up as another sad statistic?
How many of those women are viewing these guys as starter husbands that they will trade up in a few years once the post-honeymoon glow wears off?

There is a reason white hetero post-divorce men age 40-54 have the highest rates of suicide in America.

Yep. Dating market sucks. Just be careful when you start to think that it is actually fluffy clouds and rainbows (either at present or a few years down the road) for all these people. Far better to be informed and forewarned.

Yeah agreed here. Was talking to my coworker and he's a reasonably fit young industrious guy and is about to marry an absolute whale of a woman, a woman I wouldn't even bang more than once if I was drunk (sometimes a fattie in the past was my drunk last resort as many of us could attest to). In the US, this is what men have been conditioned to accept.

 

[obelisk]

I simply have no tolerance for fat women (leaving that undefined intentionally) these days. It's simply a deal breaker for me. Obesity almost always moves in the wrong direction over time.

 

[The Duke]

I ditched both Tinder and OKC yesterday after Tinder suddenly wanted me to perform for the camera to get 'verified'. No thanks. I'll find something else to do on the toilet.

I've had a few matches on bumble require me to be verified after we matched in order to text them. I deleted those prospects. If you aren't smart enough to figure out if I'm real or not then I don't want to know you.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I've had a few matches on bumble require me to be verified after we matched in order to text them. I deleted those prospects. If you aren't smart enough to figure out if I'm real or not then I don't want to know you.

I had to constantly screen for scammers anyway and I meet so many better women on the street. Tinder is overrated, except if you're looking for 'cvm-dumpsters'. Even as I was looking for rope models and not dates, the ROI is atrocious.

 

[Epicwinguy]

How about Seeking Arrangements? I heard that one is like taking candy from a baby. I heard it’s the new Hinge so it might be my next go with OLD. Anybody try it?

You need to be rich to use that

 

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

its the jab.

 

[obelisk]

I have seen posts for awhile that Seeking Arrangements is nothing like it was. The grift is on within that app compared to what it used to be like to meet women. No personal experience with it to vet the accuracy of such opinions.

 

[Smok1nAce]

People are constantly bombarded with doom and gloom. Politics, war, health epidemics, inflation, gender wars, ect..

And you expect women of that society to want to reproduce? lol.

Women are scared.