High standards

[crowolf]

I wonder if anyone else shares the same view of quality > quantity when it comes to relationships (even short ones) with women.

It seems to me that for most guys a lay is a lay. But I see it differently. I won't go for it if the woman is not at least a 7,5 according to my taste.

And my scale might look like this: Face: Up to 6 points; Body: +1; Hair: +1; Femininity/Character: +1...
Which doesn't mean that I calculate each time whether a woman fits my criteria but this is just an example of how I see the overall rating to be.

This, of course, makes it harder to get laid. But for now I have only been with women that look good. And I think I prefer a drought rather than hitting low. I've talked to some friends about this, and nobody seems to be seeing it that way.

On several occasions I've rejected decent looking women that had high interest in me. Or stopped myself from cold approaching an easy set because "she was not good looking enough". And my concern in such a situation would be that she will like me but I won't, and it would be a waste of time, energy + even some inauthenticity, as I play directly, and why would I hit on her if I don't really like her anyway?

So there might be an issue here. By the way, I don't watch porn, but in my teenage years I did watch a lot of it. Perhaps this has to do something with the high standards. However, when I walk around outside, I often see and appreciate natural woman beauty. So my taste is not that unattainable.

What do you think?

 

[Clockwerk50]

• Women tend to date up while men often date down.
• The key factor is her interest level, not yours.
• Every experience in social or sexual seduction makes the next one easier, as your confidence grows and makes you more alluring.

According to these principles, it's beneficial to engage with women who show interest in you. Not only will this provide valuable experience for dating higher SMV (Sexual Market Value) women, but it will also help you build a solid foundation, reducing the chances of mistakes. It will elevate your status as a trophy and a men that it is desired, in which it is attractive on itself. Looking back, I sometimes regret ignoring women who were interested in me; interacting with them would have accelerated my learning curve in the dating game. Now, I give people what they want.

This experience will help you recognize the subtle signs of attraction that 8+ women exhibit, allowing you to focus on pursuing them. Once you learn to spot these attraction cues, dating becomes much easier. With a bit of boldness and social calibration, you’ll find that you can’t lose.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

• Women tend to date up while men often date down.
• The key factor is her interest level, not yours.
• Every experience in social or sexual seduction makes the next one easier, as your confidence grows and makes you more alluring.

According to these principles, it's beneficial to engage with women who show interest in you. Not only will this provide valuable experience for dating higher SMV (Sexual Market Value) women, but it will also help you build a solid foundation, reducing the chances of mistakes. It will elevate your status as a trophy and a men that it is desired, in which it is attractive on itself. Looking back, I sometimes regret ignoring women who were interested in me; interacting with them would have accelerated my learning curve in the dating game. Now, I give people what they want.

This experience will help you recognize the subtle signs of attraction that 8+ women exhibit, allowing you to focus on pursuing them. Once you learn to spot these attraction cues, dating becomes much easier. With a bit of boldness and social calibration, you’ll find that you can’t lose.

Not in Europe they don't. Men tend to date way up and women tend to date way down.

I'm talking like straight dimes with dudes that look like they got kicked in the face a few times.

From what I saw in the 3 weeks I was there visiting 5 countries and probably seeing thousands of couples being out and about every day.

And it was only partially tourists. I was also in plenty of non touristy parts of places with only locals around.

 

[Solomon]

I have higher standards for LTR than a ONS however as you get older your standards to get higher for me anyway
Even smashing a random chick isn't fulfilling it's not just about looks but moreso about enjoying a woman companionship

 

[Clockwerk50]

Not in Europe they don't. Men tend to date way up and women tend to date way down.

I'm talking like straight dimes with dudes that look like they got kicked in the face a few times.

From what I saw in the 3 weeks I was there visiting 5 countries and probably seeing thousands of couples being out and about every day.

And it was only partially tourists. I was also in plenty of non touristy parts of places with only locals around.

You know your argument can be easily rebutted by considering the fact that appearances don’t always tell the full story. There could be various factors at play, like past experiences that build confidence or cultural influences that shape dating behaviours.

For instance, these men may have had many experiences with lower SMV in their youth, which could have contributed to their confidence to be more appealing to higher SMV women and knowledge on how women behave. Also, if European culture is similar to mine, where hypersexualization occurs from a young age, it can affect gender dynamics and how relationships are formed. Just because you observe something doesn’t mean it represents the complete picture.

Also, I don’t think you answered OP regarding if he should pursue lower SMV women or wait for a high SMV woman to show interest in him. In my opinion, as a saying in my country goes, “those who don’t fvck ugly girls don’t fvck at all”.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I have fairly high standards even for casual, so yes, quality>quantity always. Nowadays, I won't even fvck a girl if I don't like her personality . Imo it's better to hold out for the high interest, respectful, compliant, and attractive women who you like even if it means less sex overall.

Guys should only care racking up notches if they're below 25 notches or so, maybe 50, just so they stop valuing it so much. But some men just do this indefinitely and rack up 200 notches and I really have to wonder how many of them were actually attractive.

 

[Doctor Doom]

High standards is about patience. If a dude is patient, his shooting percentage will be through the roof. If a dude took the time to only pick what he absolutely wants and not settling, he’d be a force to be reckoned with. High standards.

 

[plumber]

expect a high value to also expect a high value. the issue is how is high value measured.

we complain about women that have high standards, and at the same time brag about our high standards.
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we want a girl that looks good, girls want a guy that looks good. black pill.

we want a girl that looks good, girls want a guy that makes them feel good. red pill.

we want a girl that makes us feel good, girls want a guy that does what he is told and has resources. blue pill.
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order of priority.

black, red, blue.

If you can not do black or red, then must work hard to be blue. Black can not be learned, only some can learn red, any can do blue.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Set and maintain high standards for yourself, and make women aware that you don't associate with folks who refuse to put time and conscientious effort into themselves. The worthwhile ones will follow your lead

 

[Clockwerk50]

High standards is about patience. If a dude is patient, his shooting percentage will be through the roof. If a dude took the time to only pick what he absolutely wants and not settling, he’d be a force to be reckoned with. High standards.

OP posted a story not too long ago where he brought a woman home and didn’t pull the trigger…

 

[Isildur1]

Not in Europe they don't. Men tend to date way up and women tend to date way down.

I'm talking like straight dimes with dudes that look like they got kicked in the face a few times.

From what I saw in the 3 weeks I was there visiting 5 countries and probably seeing thousands of couples being out and about every day.

And it was only partially tourists. I was also in plenty of non touristy parts of places with only locals around.

From my experience living in London my whole life men tend to date way down and women tend to date up

Eastern Europe women tend to date average / below their level due to the lack of high quality partners available

 

[BPH]

I actually just read a similar question I replied to, so rather than copy paste it here, I'll just link it: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...rent-than-an-average-girl.283083/post-3135936

But basically I look at it like this...if I can sleep with hot women - because I've done it before and know I can do it again - why would I ever bother with somebody I'm not attracted to?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

From my experience living in London my whole life men tend to date way down and women tend to date up

Eastern Europe women tend to date average / below their level due to the lack of high quality partners available

I was in France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Northwest Germany and saw the same thing all over...

Good looking women with meh men.

 

[Isildur1]

I was in France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Northwest Germany and saw the same thing all over...

Good looking women with meh men.

my parent's have an apartment in Nice and i spent every summer there from the age of about 10 - generally felt it was more even with spread i think the quality is way worse in London women wise

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I was in France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Northwest Germany and saw the same thing all over...

Good looking women with meh men.

Only the shallow judge on the exterior.

I'm sure you look at men without taking the female perspective into account. American women seem to have become increasingly superficial, but in general women tend to look beyond the primal attraction as to the less obvious traits a man might have.

 

[Gamisch]

I wonder if anyone else shares the same view of quality > quantity when it comes to relationships (even short ones) with women.

It seems to me that for most guys a lay is a lay. But I see it differently. I won't go for it if the woman is not at least a 7,5 according to my taste.

And my scale might look like this: Face: Up to 6 points; Body: +1; Hair: +1; Femininity/Character: +1...
Which doesn't mean that I calculate each time whether a woman fits my criteria but this is just an example of how I see the overall rating to be.

This, of course, makes it harder to get laid. But for now I have only been with women that look good. And I think I prefer a drought rather than hitting low. I've talked to some friends about this, and nobody seems to be seeing it that way.

On several occasions I've rejected decent looking women that had high interest in me. Or stopped myself from cold approaching an easy set because "she was not good looking enough". And my concern in such a situation would be that she will like me but I won't, and it would be a waste of time, energy + even some inauthenticity, as I play directly, and why would I hit on her if I don't really like her anyway?

So there might be an issue here. By the way, I don't watch porn, but in my teenage years I did watch a lot of it. Perhaps this has to do something with the high standards. However, when I walk around outside, I often see and appreciate natural woman beauty. So my taste is not that unattainable.

What do you think?

I always made( make) the mistake of thinking like Good looks = high quality.

It's doesn't. I made a thread last year called date down . Because I observed that seemingly most men who are in committed healthy looking LTRs have a women whose seemingly has even less smv than they have. Still those men are capable of seeing through the facade of looks.

If you value female beauty you better got shyte to offer. More and more women are perfectly aware of their smv and they say " a beautiful women is never just yours" for a reason.

I get to a point where I'm not as reluctant to date a slightly less attractive woman if she adds value to my life on other aspects.

I have fairly high standards even for casual, so yes, quality>quantity always. Nowadays, I won't even fvck a girl if I don't like her personality . Imo it's better to hold out for the high interest, respectful, compliant, and attractive women who you like even if it means less sex overall.

Guys should only care racking up notches if they're below 25 notches or so, maybe 50, just so they stop valuing it so much. But some men just do this indefinitely and rack up 200 notches and I really have to wonder how many of them were actually attractive.

The best sex isn't always with the most attractive woman tho...

I think it has to do with the fact that when the dynamic is different the man's feeling of superiority gives him a lotta leverage ( e.g woman feels like YOU feel you can do better so she will put in more effort to satisfy you).

From a sexual experience pov a man might miss out if he only chasing baddies.

And women do have to capability to go from a 4 to a 7 by wearing the right clothes, make up ect, even women with a less ideal body type.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I always made( make) the mistake of thinking like Good looks = high quality.

It's doesn't. I made a thread last year called date down . Because I observed that seemingly most men who are in committed healthy looking LTRs have a women whose seemingly has even less smv than they have. Still those men are capable of seeing through the facade of looks.

If you value female beauty you better got shyte to offer. More and more women are perfectly aware of their smv and they say " a beautiful women is never just yours" for a reason.

I get to a point where I'm not as reluctant to date a slightly less attractive woman if she adds value to my life on other aspects.


The best sex isn't always with the most attractive woman tho...

I think it has to do with the fact that when the dynamic is different the man's feeling of superiority gives him a lotta leverage ( e.g woman feels like YOU feel you can do better so she will put in more effort to satisfy you).

From a sexual experience pov a man might miss out if he only chasing baddies.

And women do have to capability to go from a 4 to a 7 by wearing the right clothes, make up ect, even women with a less ideal body type.

I never said anything about looks. I was implying I care more about personality/character/femininity/etc even for casual stuff.

 

[Gamisch]

I never said anything about looks. I was implying I care more about personality/character/femininity/etc even for casual stuff.

Que?

The looks part was a response to another post bro.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Que?

The looks part was a response to another post bro.

"The best sex isn't always with the most attractive woman tho" is what i was responding to

 

[viking22]

The problem is that men fall in love with their eyes so you're probably only going to catch feelings for beautiful women.

But you can very enjoyable sex with an ordinary looking woman who is slutty/naughty, has a good body, and is horny.

And sex with the most attractive women can often disappoint because they just lie there and don't make an effort.