Here's a "quality" post for ya...interesting proposition from a woman.....

[jophil28]

Things are changing, but paternity fraud isn't even illegal in some states today. If a chick tried that on me i don't know what I would do.

Hell, there goes my childhood belief that woman were, " sugar and spice and all things nice."

Now you tell me that they actually LIE- wow !

 

[jophil28]

Didn't someone post an article recently about someone in the UK building a database of family lineage through DNA testing and found a staggering number of cases of parental fraud?

There is a simple way of solving the paternity fraud problem -
Register the natural father on the birth certificate after he has been identified via a DNA test at the time of the childs birth. If not, the father is written as "unknown "..
I can hear the snivel libertarians and the women's groups whining in mock outrage at that suggestion.

It is also interesting that the various women's groups have been strenuously opposed to the rights of men to seek a DNA test on his "child" without the mother's permission. Commercially available DNA tests can be performed on a strand of hair, or from a kids drinking glass. These tests are probably men's greatest ally today..
It seems that women regard the child as HER possession and in her mind it is HIS job to just pay the bills and stay quiet in the background.

 

[Mr.Positive]

There is a simple way of solving the paternity fraud problem -
Register the natural father on the birth certificate after he has been identified via a DNA test at the time of the childs birth. If not, the father is written as "unknown "..
I can hear the snivel libertarians and the women's groups whining in mock outrage at that suggestion.

It is also interesting that the various women's groups have been strenuously opposed to the rights of men to seek a DNA test on his "child" without the mother's permission. Commercially available DNA tests can be performed on a strand of hair, or from a kids drinking glass. These tests are probably men's greatest ally today..
It seems that women regard the child as HER possession and in her mind it is HIS job to just pay the bills and stay quiet in the background.

Legally...the child is hers, and men are nothing more than a wallet.

My question is, that it was my understanding that once a man signs the birth certificate, he's the father in the eyes of the court, regardless if the child is actually his.

Therefore, and DNA testing done afterwards, will be thrown out of court. Am I correct?

These laws really are eye-opening. Men, legally are not people anymore it seems. We are a lower class...just seen as objects to be used then discarded.

Any woman that intentionally misleads a man to think he's the father, should be charged with fraud as a felony.

It's the laws of the court, that are discouraging marriage and family.

 

[Nutz]

Saw a pretty relevant article to this thread when I was looking up book reviews of Save the Males.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06082008/postopinion/postopbooks/save_the_males_114474.htm

What happened? When did we stop thinking of men as strong providers and decide they were stupid and unnecessary? Parker describes this "trivialization of the father" as "feminism's collateral damage," arguing that father knows best went out of fashion with poodle skirts. In an era of blurred gender roles, "as we devalue the strong masculine type, we reward the feminized male." Parker quips that we've taken "the apron-men and the power-women and turned them into cultural icons of virtue and courage."

The "Sex and the City" generation of women expects little from men, Parker argues, and men have acted accordingly: "Random hookups," and no-commitment relationships create a culture where "men have been delivered from the expectation that they behave honorably" and in turn, "females hurt by men's lack of attention react in ways that ensure further alienation," pushing men out of family life and diminishing their contributions to society.

Even more pressing, Parker asks "Where did daddy go?" Today, a third of all American children sleep in a home where their father doesn't: A generation of fathers has been marginalized from family life by divorce laws that favor mothers and a culture that celebrates single motherhood, Parker claims.

Men aren't blameless in Parker's social critique. Men age 18 to 35, she says, are "perpetual adolescents who see no point in growing up," spending hours each day playing video games and watching mindless TV. But a society that demands little and expects less of men risks "cultural suicide."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWRhYzAwY2EzYzgwYzFlZjljODU4ODc5N2MxMTI4MmQ=&w=MQ==#more

Lopez: What is “reasonable feminism”?

Parker: Reasonable women are just like reasonable men. They want to make adult choices independent of external authority; they want to choose their work and be paid fairly; they do not presume that men and women are interchangeable in all ways because they are not morons. Certain differences between men and women make absolute equality not only implausible, but undesirable.

Unreasonable feminism doesn’t believe this. Radical feminists, which are those to whom I refer whenever I speak of feminists, believe that men and women are essentially the same and that any differences are the result of social engineering. There’s so much science now refuting this idea, not to mention thousands of years of accumulated wisdom, that it’s really incomprehensible that we’re still debating it. Anyone who spends an hour on a playground knows that male and female are different. When these differences benefit the female of the species, of course, we celebrate them. When they seem to benefit the male, we try to figure out a way to reconfigure the landscape.

This ties in with the Toxic Wife Syndrome thread as to why the courts let women get the kids, take the house, etc all at the expense of the man.

Lopez: How are we rewarding the feminized male?

Parker: With a brand new washing machine! Barry, come on down! Seriously, guys are now expected to be as good as women at everything. It’s not enough to bring home the bacon. A real man has to also be able to whip up a soufflé, know where to get the best pedicure, and be able to identify a Manolo. If a man reading this has no idea what I’m talking about, he’s the man for me. Look, I like a man who cooks. My father cooked in our house and his nails were tidy. But really. When Fortune Magazine features a trophy husband on the cover of a man wearing an apron and beaming virtue from every pore, we might have gone too far in domesticating men.

This goes to the heart of what a member on another forum's ex said to him about guys these days being unattractive wussies. Men have become domesticated and society is extolling the virtues of emasculated males. Mark my words: our kids and grandkids are going to get women like crazy if we teach them right because guys in general simply aren't attractive to women anymore by how they have been groomed to behave by households lacking a father figure. They grow up believing the bullsh*t that women tell them and have no clue how to attract them.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/save_the_males.html

The results have been well documented, Parker argues, and they're not pretty. "Growing up without a father is the most reliable predictor of poverty," she writes, as well as "drug abuse, truancy, delinquency, and sexual promiscuity." Regardless, single motherhood by choice is surging in popularity. When it comes to divorce, child custody, and family law, Parker argues, "pure and simple, the deck is stacked against men"--reducing them, in many cases, to "sperm and a wallet."

As for the whole court giving everything to the woman deal, who says the woman is entitled to that lifestyle? Where in the law does it say we're entitled to equal result. Equal opportunity, yes. Equal result, no.

If they're getting all that stuff from the husband to maintain their "standard of living", when should the husband expect the wife to come over and cook and clean the house?

Basically it all comes down to the entitlement attitude western women have these days, largely because the courts cater to them. And it's 100% a crock of sh*t. I still don't know why guys that are hit with alimony aren't suing for 13th amendment violations.

 

[Jitterbug]

They have bought into the "It's for the children" shield that women use, which, when one looks at it with pure logic, is almost identical to terrorists hiding behind innocents.

Nah, not terrorists. Think dictators and cult leaders:

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."

-- Adolf Hitler

 

[jophil28]

Just curious, why would a libertarian have outrage at that suggestion?

Because it requires mandatory DNA samples of the father and the child to be registered with the state or the county.
Libertarians are usually opposed to such proposals even if there is great practical merit in the idea.

 

[jophil28]

The nature of the research was to highlight a facet of the female reproductive mechanism. It claims, via statistical evidence, that a PORTION of the female population are doing this. This does not mean ALL.

The research was published to reveal a disturbing deception by women , ( Manginas would probably call it an "anomaly" )

Secondly , if you read my earler post more carefully, you will discover that the 30% of secret paternities (US claim) and the 20% (Australian claim ) do NOT refer to the general population. These ratios refer to the DNA tested individuals only.
The false paternities in the UNTESTED wider population are calculated to be closer to 1%.

Unless you have something more useful to contribute to this debate, I suggest that your sympathies would be better placed over at Loveshack.org

 

[jophil28]

A woman who gets butterflies from a man who she's in love with will always stay faithful. I know this because I've seen the look they give and there's no mistaking it.

It is a shame that your lack of experience and primitive understanding of women's emotional attachments forms the basis for your claim above.

So gentlemen ,apparently it is all in that unmistakeable " look" that they give, It is a guarantee of fidelity and committment...go out there guys and look for "the look" .