Here's a "quality" post for ya...interesting proposition from a woman.....

[ketostix]

**Update**

It seems she's starting to break out the big guns.

She has been contacting me regularly now. She texted me last night (yea, that's how 22yr olds communicate) "Went to an antique store today in such and such district of town, and I thought of you!"

Who knows.... maybe my apathy is turning the spark back into a flame?

All I know is that she's going to have to jump through hoops to get ANYTHING from me.

Dangle the carrot on the stick until you get her to where you want her. It's like I posted earlier in this thread about having something a female wants, is there really any difference between a woman wanting something that you have and her legitimately wanting you for you? I really see it one in the same in the opportunistic minds of females. They rationalize their interest in something you have that they want as being an interest in you anyway.

 

[STR8UP]

Dangle the carrot on the stick until you get her to where you want her.

I wanted to write her off completely, but it's just too tempting to see what happens to forget about it altogether. The way I see it, and like I said some people may wonder why i would waste my time, but to me worst case is that it's another learning experience. Just adds more weapons to my arsenal for when I run across women I actually am interested in pursuing.

I actually love these kinds of opportunities where you know the chick has some kind of feelings for you but is obviously running game and trying to get stuff out of you. You can really pull the strings to see what happens without guilt or remorse. Kind of like performing an unethical experiment on someone who deserves it, hehe

It just goes to show how the Balance of Power works, and how the takeaway can work to shift the power back to you.

This only works on women who haven't lost interest in you altogether, but it works GREAT for women who still have you on their radar.

It's like I posted earlier in this thread about having something a female wants, is there really any difference between a woman wanting something that you have and her legitimately wanting you for you? I really see it one in the same in the opportunistic minds of females. They rationalize their interest in something you have that they want as being an interest in you anyway.

This is another one of those shining gems we can mine from a thread like this.

Is there any difference between a woman wanting something from you and her actually wanting you for you?

I would propose that there IS a difference, but like most everything else it isn't a black or white thing.

Actually, when you REALLY break it down, most of what attracts a woman to a man is directly or indirectly related to what he can do for her. Confidence and social ability display potential to provide. Looks is another component. What could be more "selfish" than a woman wanting a man for his good genes?

You know when you look at it from this perspective, a woman NEVER wants you for the sake of "you", but for the individual components that make up "you". It is all selfishly motivated. She doesn't "love" you for "you". Her "love" is nothing more than a survival mechanism put in place to bond her to you long enough to ensure her genes make it to survive and thrive into the next generation.

When you break it down into individual components like this, that's when it becomes easy to see through the smoke and mirrors that make up "genuine attraction" and "love" and "her liking you for you".

So essentially, in the beginning the 22yo was more attracted to me for "me". Now that she probably has more and higher quality options, some of the original "raw" attraction is gone, and it leans more toward a "practical" attraction where individual components take priority over the whole.

Of course this "raw" attraction is what we ideally want to cultivate. It is this type of attraction that makes a woman turn to putty in your hand. but that's not to say that you can't use a more practical type of attraction to your benefit to facilitate a "trade" for mutual benefit. You just have to take it for what it is and not get caught up mistaking one for the other.

 

[jophil28]

It is all selfishly motivated. She doesn't "love" you for "you". Her "love" is nothing more than a survival mechanism put in place to bond her to you long enough to ensure her genes make it to survive and thrive into the next generation.

Nice theory but it falls over when I tell you that 40 and 50 year olds do exactly the same thing. They have no use for my "genes" , but they still behave as if they were 20 years old.
YOu got it right about their selfishness though.

 

[Tazman]

When you break it down into individual components like this, that's when it becomes easy to see through the smoke and mirrors that make up "genuine attraction" and "love" and "her liking you for you".

Interesting, what would be the difference between the individual components you mentioned and "genuine attraction".

Do you consider the desire to have sex as more genuine then say the desire to be provided security and/or resources?

 

[STR8UP]

Nice theory but it falls over when I tell you that 40 and 50 year olds do exactly the same thing. They have no use for my "genes" , but they still behave as if they were 20 years old.
YOu got it right about their selfishness though.

That's an interesting point.

I might propose that the "love" a woman who is outside of childbearing years feels for you is a different type of love than a woman who is in her 20's or 30's feels.

Interesting, what would be the difference between the individual components you mentioned and "genuine attraction".

"Genuine attraction" is in quotation marks for a reason.

Basically what I was saying is that a woman who is VERY attracted to you isn't sorting anything out in her head. She sees you as an entire package that fit her criteria. it is entirely unconscious and is likely based upon all factors that matter to women when it comes to choosing a potential mate.

Sure, they might be unconsciously weighing your value by compensating where you lack with where you excel, but I believe that attraction can still exist on a more practical level where she is likely MORE conscious of the factors that she is weighing out.

In my case this chick started out "genuinely attracted" to me. Now that her attraction level has been lowered (she was engaged last year and she didn't act the same towards me after that even since she broke up with him) she is probably still attracted to me on a core level, but it isn't that whirlwind type attraction that has her chasing me down like a hungry lion.

Now she says to herself "Okay, I have always had a "thing" for him. I'm not the same giggly school girl I was toward him at one time, but I think he is attractive and I enjoy his company and I want to stay in his city for a couple of months so why not kill two birds with one stone and strike up an arrangement?"

Make sense?

Do you consider the desire to have sex as more genuine then say the desire to be provided security and/or resources?

Sex is the core motivator for human relations. It is that desire that fuels the fire that drives us to come together.

The thing is, women have a much greater investment in bringing children into the world. This is why a man could care less whether a woman is a minimum wage earner or a self made millionaire whereas women certainly DO care about a mans ability to provide.

This makes the attraction equation so much more complicated for women than it is for men. If she's hot and has has a pleasant demeanor she's marriage material to a man. Women, on the other hand, have a mile long internal checklist that includes numerous things that encompass not only what a man brings to the table physically, but also cues as to his ability to provide and protect.

The thing about your question that needs to be factored in before it can be answered is the fact that women generally do not find the good genes qualities in the same man that would be a good dad.

So which one is more "genuine"? I say they both are genuine. The raw, animalistic desire to have sex will often TRUMP the desire for security and resources, but to women they are inextricably intertwined to the point where trying to decide what is more "real" is a fruitless endeavor.

 

[thedeparted]

Keep ignoring her. It's gonna tear her up inside and make her do crazy things. Then see how kinky she's willing to go to make her summer deal happen. And don't forget the video camera ;-)

P.S. I bet she's already told some girlfriends that she's got things all setup, so you can get a lot out of this deal while she tries to save face. Remember, women will use you for their ends, and discard you callously, so there is no reason not to be the one who takes advantage of them instead.

 

[jophil28]

The thing about your question that needs to be factored in before it can be answered is the fact that women generally do not find the good genes qualities in the same man that would be a good dad..

THis is almost entirely wrong based on the evidence. Where do you get these beliefs?

The vast majority of women who have the skills to marry, have healthy children and remain married achieve exactly what you deny in the quote above.

 

[STR8UP]

Keep ignoring her. It's gonna tear her up inside and make her do crazy things. Then see how kinky she's willing to go to make her summer deal happen. And don't forget the video camera ;-)

Hehe....I'm filming an instructional DVD at my place right now and i have lights and video cameras everywhere. A couple of my women I know stopped by the other night before we all went out and when they asked about it I played it up! What's funny is that I have a 20yo chicks ID sitting on my counter from a couple of weeks ago. She dropped it in my bathroom and hasn't picked it up yet. I said "SEE! At least I make sure they are all of age!" Hahahahaha

This is what I was thinking, and it's a potential pitfall.

Even more frequently than using sex to get what she wants is the practice of a woman dangling the promise of sex to get what she wants. And you have no way of knowing whether this girl will actually be willing to sleep with you after she moves in. She could wind up being "shocked, shocked!" that you would ever consider that as a term of agreement. Although I guess you can kick her out whenever you want to, but that will only make you look worse.

I'd avoid this situation...it must be satisfying enough knowing that this chick is a glorified, middle class prostitute. You can still bang her without giving up the sanctity of your castle.

I agree. And since she is coming here for a week or two in the middle of this month it is a PERFECT opportunity for me to be able feel out the situation. Essentially, she knows that this is her "audition". If she makes a good impression when she is here, she thinks she might have a shot at pulling off the summer deal. I can use this to my advantage to see what I can get out of her without having to make any kind of commitment.

My worst AND possibly best case is that I flat out reject her offer, cause what happens when you reject a chick?

We'll see what she brings to the table....

THis is almost entirely wrong based on the evidence. Where do you get these beliefs?

The vast majority of women who have the skills to marry, have healthy children and remain married achieve exactly what you deny in the quote above.

You really need to read up on some statistics.

There is one statistic alone that I am sure you are aware of that speaks volumes. That is the statistic that says that 20%+ of children today are being raised by someone OTHER than they believe to be their biological father.

In other words, on top of the bogus cheating stats for women (If you can safely add 30% to the number of sex partners they tell you they have had then you can also safely add 40% to the number of times they claim to have cheated, even in anonymous surveys) you have PROOF that women are settling down with the good dad and fukking for good genes.

It isn't about "having skills". It's about cold hard facts. Are most women capable of having a monogamous relationship? Sure. At the same time are most women capable of cheating? Absolutely.

Once again, refusing to accept this is nothing more than an extension of the soulmate mentality. It's poison, it leads you to complacency.....get it out of your head.

 

[potato]

You really need to read up on some statistics.

There is one statistic alone that I am sure you are aware of that speaks volumes. That is the statistic that says that 20%+ of children today are being raised by someone OTHER than they believe to be their biological father.

In other words, on top of the bogus cheating stats for women (If you can safely add 30% to the number of sex partners they tell you they have had then you can also safely add 40% to the number of times they claim to have cheated, even in anonymous surveys) you have PROOF that women are settling down with the good dad and fukking for good genes.

It isn't about "having skills". It's about cold hard facts. Are most women capable of having a monogamous relationship? Sure. At the same time are most women capable of cheating? Absolutely.

Once again, refusing to accept this is nothing more than an extension of the soulmate mentality. It's poison, it leads you to complacency.....get it out of your head.

Whenever I come to sosuave.com I always look to see what STR8UP is writing. It is rather amusing. STR8UP you have to one of the most messed up people to ever express an opinion on the subject of women and male-female relationships. Just look at this thread. A man of substance would have walked away from this girl a long time ago. But you keep encouraging her, leading her on. I can just see you going through with having this girl stay with you only to then write how messed up she is, in oblivion that it is you that is causing the problems.

This whole bit about 20% of children having a father other than who they think does not apply to 80% of the children. Just because some women cheat, doesn’t mean that all women cheat. I’ve long observed that women in love, which is to say women who are emotionally attached to a man, are the women that you, Brad Pitt, and every other man have no chance of winning. That you don’t encounter these types of women says more about you than women in general.

I really doubt that you have game, you just play games.

 

[cordoncordon]

I really doubt that you have game, you just play games.

Potato out of nowhere with the smackdown!! Wow...maybe you really are a guy lol.

While I am still iffy on that, I will agree that for what str8up is looking for, even if he won't admit it (a ltr with a quality woman) this is not what he needs right now. Now, if he was 26 and just looking to party, fine......maybe. But as his age I just cant see living with a girl that isnt my wife or LTR. I mean we dont have enough in common with women as it is, and they sure as hell don't provide THAT much happiness in our lives, to where I would want to live with one if I didnt have to. You can get sex anywhere anytime with a number of different women if need be than to have to basically PAY a girl to live with you AND take her out...all in exchange for a little booty with a girl who has moderate IL in you.

Now if I was 26, single, not looking to get serious and at the point where I just didn't give a Fvck? Yeah I would do it as long as I promised myself NOT to get emotionally attached...which is easier said than done.

 

[KontrollerX]

Yay its the over the hill lesbian and capn save a Str8up to the rescue once again even though the current and all his previous attempts at saving were unwarranted and unneeded and didn't work the last billion times he tried em lets try em again and see if hitting our head against a wall produces a different result this time.

Another promising thread soon to be derailed by the mental titans gracing us from the NLG tard farm.

"I have never posted on NLG, don't even belong to it.

Idiot."

Really?

It hardly matters as you clearly possess their mentality.

So why don't you take your sorry ass over there and stay there?

I've had just about enough of your sympish fagg0try you continually spout here and you really should of been banned after you drove backbreaker away from this forum for a good long while by your being a d!ckhead but I digress.

"So what you are saying in your oh so friendly way is Str8up should let this girl stay with him, for free mind you, plus he should take her out and buy her dinner drinks etc on a regular basis while she is staying there, all so he can maybe get some pvsyy with a girl who is only half into him?"

I think I may of posted in this thread earlier ace.

When you're done getting over being butthurt due to my being of superior intellect to you, you can go and check it out and watch your strawman argument here crumble into dust.

"WTF? Get a life dude."

Says the douchebag that was sooo butthurt over my reality based comment to him that he stuck around and browsed over a thread for like an hour and found I edited in some replies to his extra worthless douchebaggery comments due to my 10 post limit being up from giving actual quality worthwhile advice to people here a concept that is foreign to cordoncordouche and his like minded in thinking douchebaggy NLG ilk.

"Quit acting so desperate to get laid. Are you a man or a kid?"

Do you spit? or do you swallow?? Hey just asking a random worthless question and finding out how it must feel to be cordoncordouche and say completely worthless things. I guess it feels alright but I don't particularly get any deep satisfaction from doing it but hey different strokes for different folks right? So go on being a douche that makes no sense bucko. Don't let me stop you. I don't think even the greatest scientific minds in the world getting together could come up with a process to reverse your retardation and degenerative thinking.

"As for your name calling and overall immature behavior, it is exactly for reasons like you that I avoid posting here much anymore."

Anything I can do to help this place improve makes me smile. Sosuave smells much better without you and iqqi around. You should of stayed gone.

"You're a know it all, or at least you think you are."

You're a douchebag or at least I and anyone else who reads all the AFC rants that you've posted here thinks you are.

"But in reality you are lonely, and sad, and desperate for attention using this forum to somehow validate your pathetic life. So you post your endless drivel on here day after day after day, hoping that someone will agree with you and give you respect that you so obviously lack in your everyday existence."

I know it eats you and fingz up inside that the membership made me the #1 ranked poster on the reputation list due to my advice being so good in their individual opinions but could you try to keep the crying about it to a minimum in the future? My ears are positively ringing from it.

And actually my mission on the forum is simple and it is this...to help all the young lurker posters out there in anyway that I can and learn new things from posters I view to be interesting and intelligent with new things and ideas to teach me. Str8up and many others provide this sort of learning that I seek. You on the other hand are just a whiny d!ckhead that wishes we could live in the Pook era forever and regurgitate the same tired sh!t over and over and over again until the end of time.

"Good luck."

Yep you too ace.

And whenever you score a real girlfriend as opposed to that phoney picture of that worn out blonde bar skank of a cougar picture that you post from time to time that you found on Myspace or some magazine that you scanned a picture from all in a pathetic attempt to try and prove you have some game let us know. I'll be the first in line to award you the gold star of acheivement.

Anyway sorry Str8up for continuing the war or words and in a way helping cordoncordouche fag up your thread but I am trying to keep it all contained in as few posts as possible through edits so maybe you can salvage this topic and get it back on track despite the best efforts of the NLG B team to do otherwise.

 

[cordoncordon]

Yay its the over the hill lesbian and capn save a Str8up to the rescue once again even though the current and all his previous attempts at saving were unwarranted and unneeded and didn't work the last billion times he tried em lets try em again and see if hitting our head against a wall produces a different result this time.

Another promising thread soon to be derailed by the mental titans gracing us from the NLG tard farm.

I have never posted on NLG, don't even belong to it.

Idiot.

 

[cordoncordon]

Yay its the over the hill lesbian and capn save a Str8up to the rescue once again even though the current and all his previous attempts at saving were unwarranted and unneeded and didn't work the last billion times he tried em lets try em again and see if hitting our head against a wall produces a different result this time.

Another promising thread soon to be derailed by the mental titans gracing us from the NLG tard farm.

"I have never posted on NLG, don't even belong to it.

Idiot."

Really?

It hardly matters as you clearly possess their mentality.

So why don't you take your sorry ass over there and stay there?

I've had just about enough of your sympish fagg0try you continually spout here and you really should of been banned after you drove backbreaker away from this forum for a good long while by your being a d!ckhead but I digress.

The only person who derailed this thread with your immature name calling is you. I offered my opinion in a nice and civil manner and did not deserve your BS. I like str8up and did not disparage him in any way.

So what you are saying in your oh so friendly way is Str8up should let this girl stay with him, for free mind you, plus he should take her out and buy her dinner drinks etc on a regular basis while she is staying there, all so he can maybe get some pvsyy with a girl who is only half into him?

WTF? Get a life dude. Quit acting so desperate to get laid. Are you a man or a kid?

As for your name calling and overall immature behavior, it is exactly for reasons like you that I avoid posting here much anymore. You're a know it all, or at least you think you are. But in reality you are lonely, and sad, and desperate for attention using this forum to somehow validate your pathetic life. So you post your endless drivel on here day after day after day, hoping that someone will agree with you and give you respect that you so obviously lack in your everyday existence.

Good luck.

 

[Darth]

This girl has no pride at all.

 

[cordoncordon]

Yay its the over the hill lesbian and capn save a Str8up to the rescue once again even though the current and all his previous attempts at saving were unwarranted and unneeded and didn't work the last billion times he tried em lets try em again and see if hitting our head against a wall produces a different result this time.

Another promising thread soon to be derailed by the mental titans gracing us from the NLG tard farm.

"I have never posted on NLG, don't even belong to it.

Idiot."

Really?

It hardly matters as you clearly possess their mentality.

So why don't you take your sorry ass over there and stay there?

I've had just about enough of your sympish fagg0try you continually spout here and you really should of been banned after you drove backbreaker away from this forum for a good long while by your being a d!ckhead but I digress.

"So what you are saying in your oh so friendly way is Str8up should let this girl stay with him, for free mind you, plus he should take her out and buy her dinner drinks etc on a regular basis while she is staying there, all so he can maybe get some pvsyy with a girl who is only half into him?"

I think I may of posted in this thread earlier ace.

When you're done getting over being butthurt due to my being of superior intellect to you, you can go and check it out and watch your strawman argument here crumble into dust.

"WTF? Get a life dude."

Says the douchebag that was sooo butthurt over my reality based comment to him that he stuck around and browsed over a thread for like an hour and found I edited in some replies to his extra worthless douchebaggery comments due to my 10 post limit being up from giving actual quality worthwhile advice to people here a concept that is foreign to cordoncordouche and his like minded in thinking douchebaggy NLG ilk.

"Quit acting so desperate to get laid. Are you a man or a kid?"

Do you spit? or do you swallow?? Hey just asking a random worthless question and finding out how it must feel to be cordoncordouche and say completely worthless things. I guess it feels alright but I don't particularly get any deep satisfaction from doing it but hey different strokes for different folks right? So go on being a douche that makes no sense bucko. Don't let me stop you. I don't think even the greatest scientific minds in the world getting together could come up with a process to reverse your retardation and degenerative thinking.

"As for your name calling and overall immature behavior, it is exactly for reasons like you that I avoid posting here much anymore."

Anything I can do to help this place improve makes me smile. Sosuave smells much better without you and iqqi around. You should of stayed gone.

"You're a know it all, or at least you think you are."

You're a douchebag or at least I and anyone else who reads all the AFC rants that you've posted here thinks you are.

"But in reality you are lonely, and sad, and desperate for attention using this forum to somehow validate your pathetic life. So you post your endless drivel on here day after day after day, hoping that someone will agree with you and give you respect that you so obviously lack in your everyday existence."

I know it eats you and fingz up inside that the membership made me the #1 ranked poster on the reputation list due to my advice being so good in their individual opinions but could you try to keep the crying about it to a minimum in the future? My ears are positively ringing from it.

And actually my mission on the forum is simple and it is this...to help all the young lurker posters out there in anyway that I can and learn new things from posters I view to be interesting and intelligent with new things and ideas to teach me. Str8up and many others provide this sort of learning that I seek. You on the other hand are just a whiny d!ckhead that wishes we could live in the Pook era forever and regurgitate the same tired sh!t over and over and over again until the end of time.

"Good luck."

Yep you too ace.

And whenever you score a real girlfriend as opposed to that phoney picture of that worn out blonde bar skank of a cougar picture that you post from time to time that you found on Myspace or some magazine that you scanned a picture from all in a pathetic attempt to try and prove you have some game let us know. I'll be the first in line to award you the gold star of acheivement.

Anyway sorry Str8up for continuing the war or words and in a way helping cordoncordouche fag up your thread but I am trying to keep it all contained in as few posts as possible through edits so maybe you can salvage this topic and get it back on track despite the best efforts of the NLG B team to do otherwise.

You have to try and get the last word in every time don't you? Well please keep talking your maturity level is shining through! You remind me of one of those people who play games online who call anyone and everyone every name in the book..saying things they would never dare speak in real life.

As for fingz..I have no idea who that is. Iqqi? Used to post here but havent seen her in a while. I havent posted on any chat boards of this type in a while though, other than my day trading message boards, so that is no surprise if I haven't seen her.

And as for my gf, she is now my fiance, so anytime, and I do MEAN ANYTIME, you want to come say to me face to face what you just wrote about her here, you are more than welcome. I live in Santa Monica CA so we can start there and then I'll give you directions from then on ok?

Thanks

 

[STR8UP]

Ok kids, hug and make up.....we wouldn't want another post to get closed now, would we?

Whenever I come to sosuave.com I always look to see what STR8UP is writing. It is rather amusing. STR8UP you have to one of the most messed up people to ever express an opinion on the subject of women and male-female relationships. Just look at this thread. A man of substance would have walked away from this girl a long time ago. But you keep encouraging her, leading her on. I can just see you going through with having this girl stay with you only to then write how messed up she is, in oblivion that it is you that is causing the problems.

This whole bit about 20% of children having a father other than who they think does not apply to 80% of the children. Just because some women cheat, doesn’t mean that all women cheat. I’ve long observed that women in love, which is to say women who are emotionally attached to a man, are the women that you, Brad Pitt, and every other man have no chance of winning. That you don’t encounter these types of women says more about you than women in general.

I really doubt that you have game, you just play games.

If we're gonna derail a thread lets do it right...potato style.

Do you have any sort of sensible counter-argument for what you quoted me as saying? Or do you just want to play that same "not all women cheat" line that everyone else parrots like a broken record?

I get it. We all get it. We got it the first time you and every other person said it, because we never claimed anything different.

The point I was trying to make is that GENERALLY women look for qualities that manifest themselves in two different types of men. This is old news. You seriously doubt this theory?

You don't think that the 20% statistic is a DISTURBING number? That means ONE IN FIVE children grow up believing their daddy is someone else, and are purposefully led to believe so by their mothers. Lets add the married guys who DO somehow find out the kid isn't theirs. What, maybe another 1-2%? Lets factor in that women might tend to be more careful about using protection when they have an affair. Lets factor in that (protection or lack thereof being equal) a woman will generally have sex quite a bit more over the span of time with her husband than she does with other men.

Now I don't know how intelligent you are, but when I start to look it the trees instead of just the forest, when I dig deeper it begins to paint a much darker picture of what we are up against in the mating game.

So, are you attacking me, or my POV? Either way, your argument is weak.

Potato out of nowhere with the smackdown!! Wow...maybe you really are a guy lol.

When our resident lesbian romance novelist's opinion carries some weight with me you'll be the first to get the memo.

While I am still iffy on that, I will agree that for what str8up is looking for, even if he won't admit it (a ltr with a quality woman) this is not what he needs right now. Now, if he was 26 and just looking to party, fine......maybe.

I don't rule out the idea of having an LTR. But I fail to see how 26 compared to 37 factors into a situation like this. If someone came to me asking "what should I do" in a situation such as this, age would have no bearing

But as his age I just cant see living with a girl that isnt my wife or LTR.

I already stated that I do not intend to allow her to live with me and I have no intention of financing her vacation.

Yeah I would do it as long as I promised myself NOT to get emotionally attached...which is easier said than done.

So now you are saying that a situation like this would be acceptable as long as you could remain emotionally detached?

 

[jophil28]

You don't think that the 20% statistic is a DISTURBING number? That means ONE IN FIVE children grow up believing their daddy is someone else, and are purposefully led to believe so by their mothers.

YOu have read this stat wrongly . The recent reports on this subject have been misreported,misunderstood and misinterpreted.

The 20% refers to the ratio of children who are revealed, via DNA tests ( usually initiated by the father ) to NOT be his natural child.

IN other words , when men seek to confirm their paternity through a DNA test the results show that, of those children TESTED, one in five to one in seven (regional variations) are not a DNA match. The 20% is the outcome of TESTED DNA only.

It is further estimated that the ratio of "unnatural" children being raised by a man who believes that he is the father is 1- 2% in the wider population.

 

[STR8UP]

YOu have read this stat wrongly . The recent reports on this subject have been misreported,misunderstood and misinterpreted.

The 20% refers to the ratio of children who are revealed, via DNA tests ( usually initiated by the father ) to NOT be his natural child.

IN other words , when men seek to confirm their paternity through a DNA test the results show that, of those children TESTED, one in five to one in seven (regional variations) are not a DNA match. The 20% is the outcome of TESTED DNA only.

It is further estimated that the ratio of "unnatural" children being raised by a man who believes that he is the father is 1- 2% in the wider population.

I'm not sure where I saw the initial 20% figure, but it was of a cross section of the population and not only those who sought paternity testing.

Upon a little more research it looks like it is actually 30% of paternity tests that come back to prove that the man isn't the father. Most peg the actual number of children who are a part of paternity fraud at 10-15%, which is still a SCARY number considering all of the variables.

 

[jophil28]

Upon a little more research it looks like it is actually 30% of paternity tests that come back to prove that the man isn't the father. Most peg the actual number of children who are a part of paternity fraud at 10-15%, which is still a SCARY number considering all of the variables.

Yes. I read that in the US, about 30% of tested DNA show that the applicant father is not the birth father. I thought that this figure referred only to those women living in poverty. 'Down Under' the accepted ratio is about 20%. Perhaps our women folk are either more honest or less horish, but some how I doubt it.

The number of children being supported by a man who is blissfully unaware that he has been deceived by the child's mother is unknown - after all IF you were a woman who tried this stunt you would keep it a huge secret and tell nobody .

Even if the general population figure is 1% , then the number of "imported" children is staggering .
I wonder what sort of scandal would erupt if some men sought to deceive their wives in a similar way.

 

[STR8UP]

Even it the general population figure is 1% , then the number of "imported" children is staggering .
I wonder what sort of scandal would erupt if some men sought to deceive their wives in a similar way.

No doubt.

When I was reading a little more about it one author made a comment about what the ramifications would be if a hospital gave a woman the wrong baby to take home after giving birth. (They all look like little aliens for a few weeks anyway!)

Can you imagine her raising the kid as hers for 15 years, possibly with a suspicion that something is "off", to eventually find out that the kid indeed belonged to someone else and that HER baby was raised by another family? That woman will be a basketcase and she would sue the hospital for $100million and win.

Things are changing, but paternity fraud isn't even illegal in some states today. If a chick tried that on me i don't know what I would do.

The point is, even so called "good" people do bad things, WOMEN included, so you really have to watch your back. Especially where the law provides you with little or no protection from being financially and emotionally raped.