Here's a "quality" post for ya...interesting proposition from a woman.....

[MisterSinister]

I don't think anyone that would go for this type of deal should complain that women use their vaginas as currency. If you are willing to go along with it you are just as bad as these women. I have never banged a hooker or given/promised a woman anything, but if I ever did I would feel hypocritical saying that they prostitute themselves.

 

[STR8UP]

Well, some might say it's a waste of time or whatnot, but I might as well use the fact that she's coming to town in a couple of weeks to feel out the situation.

Just for the record, I have no intention of allowing her to move in with me or work with me. But the same way that she uses the PROSPECT OF PU$$Y for personal gain, I can use the PROSPECT OF PERSONAL GAIN to see if she's willing to put out

Think about it.....all I have to do is tell her that "I'm not sure if i am comfortable with that situation" and see if she is willing to MAKE me "comfortable" while she is here, hehe.

If she comes HERE and puts out, I might be willing to make the trip to visit her. With gas under $2 it would be a nice cheap vacation......

 

[MaTuA]

Ok look. Str8. If you have been hittin that in the past properly, then there is no need to analyze this situation too much more. Women do use that y-box, to attempt takeovers of major corporations. They inherently have stock. Her stock is now in the prime market, but she is not the primary stockholder. You are. Here's a thought. If she wasn't looking for a job/career to start, do you believe she would have shouted you out again? Fvck no. She may be a hott piece of as$ but, whats hotter is you're Annuities maturing at 65, while she's trying for a corporate merger with two or three other guys because she risks bankruptcy:yes: Vote no to the bailout!!!:nono:

I think you get my drift. This chic is trying to catch the vapors of you're deluxe yacht, in the wind, to fuel her sail boat.After she catches up to you're yacht, she will try the Blackbeard mutiny shvt. I know you won't let it get to that but, Let her arse weather the fvcking Perfect Storm on her own. When she comes get her a room for a day or two. Do what you know you can do, and let her as$ blow in the breeze after that. :kick:

Throw the bvtch a life preserver, or inner tube, but after that, keep it movin'. And for the rest of the forum who may be confused as to what it means to have you're own frame. Str8 is a prime example of it.

You don't save hoes, that don't want to be saved. Even if you wan't to. Let her sink and swim. Don't become an AFCapt'n-Save-A-Hoe, on you're ship or hers. :woo: :rock:

If you think thats coldblooded, you're just warming up to the game.

Str8, holla at ya boy l8tr, and keep us posted on the experiment

 

[KontrollerX]

"Now, this chick KNOWS that if we are in close proximity that I have the expectation that we will be intimate. I have made that perfectly clear."

I sense she's going to pull the old familiar chick trick out of her hat known as conveniently forgetting you've ever made this point to her.

She is likely over confident in her piece of ass status as she's seen legions of symps fall to her newfound powers and she's stupid and arrogant enough to think that now that she's apparently mastered herself and a new bag of tricks these games will work on a guy who knows the game inside and out.

Not that she knows you are well schooled to it all but she's operating under the chick logic of "he's a guy, all I have to do is bat my eyelashes, giggle and wiggle my ass a bit and he'll be under my spell and if I'd only played hard to get earlier with him he'd be completely under my control, time to try out what I've learned on him now, give him some sex and intimacy but mostly what I'm after is free room and board and I've got all these new tricks to use on him so it shouldn't be too hard to eventually blue ball him and get him so caught up in head games and yearning for my poon that the two months passes by and I get what I want and he gets very little of what he wants, I'm such a smart and hot girl I wish I knew all these games sooner tee hee hee!".

So yeah Str8up I'm with Leykis in that you should never let a woman move in with you or stay with you for any huge length of time.

And its good to see you are completely aware of what her real goals are.

And really thats all I think she wants, I think she wants free room and board and some chit chat laugh and joke around male company that she expects you to provide while shacked up with you and she's probably planning on mindgaming you and giving you as little amount of pvssy as possible all the while fvcking with your game and fvcking with your life.

Don't allow that to happen but definitely do work some counter mindgames on her by asking her what you can expect of her as a roomate and why she would deserve such an honor. After that kind of flirty cat and mouse b.s if she doesn't blow you and or fvck your brains out you should drop all dealings with this disrespectful small time manipulative cold fish.

Even you agreeing to see her now is an honor for her with the way she's disrespected you with this transparent bomb she's dropped on you of wanting to stay with you for two months and I'll explain...

She knows what is required of her when being in close proximity of you but is pulling this intern b.s and this other non sexual arrangement talk on her part as if you did let her move in with you and tried to make a move she'd then say its not like that, then you'd say get the fvck out (in a more polite non bridge burning way I'm sure) and then despite how polite you were she'd label you a creep or a jerk and start badmouthing you to all her friends for throwing her out of your place when you both agreed to let her stay there out of the goodness of your heart no strings attached because you suddenly changed your mind and tried to turn her into a prostitute oh the horror.

See as the reality is she knows the score if she would ever move in with you but she'd be playing off getting tossed like she's just an innocent victim to make you look bad.

So thats further reason why this would be a bad situation to get yourself involved in.

It all goes back to my point of how women conveniently like to forget a strong point you've made to them previously when it doesn't suit their selfish goals.

 

[MisterSinister]

This reminds me for some reason of women that I had met at bars that would invite me to go on trips with them. Only they would have been the ones spending money. For some reason they just happened to like me a lot. One chick wanted me to go with her to Europe. I hadn't bought her a drink even and I had just met her after she approached me. I ended up banging her that night at her place, but decided not to pursure anything further.

There was another chick that was on vacation with her friends and shortly after meeting her she invited me to go with her and her friends to a cool spot 2 hours away. I hadn't bought this chick a drink either, or offered her anything. She was very flirtatious from the start and I could have had sex with her if it wasn't for some ****blocking. I think she actually felt bad that I wasn't enthusiastic about going on that trip with them and I actually said it was a crazy idea.

 

[ketostix]

Just for the record, I have no intention of allowing her to move in with me or work with me. But the same way that she uses the PROSPECT OF PU$$Y for personal gain, I can use the PROSPECT OF PERSONAL GAIN to see if she's willing to put out

That's exatly it. Really, it always comes down to you having something she wants and making her first give you what you want in exchange. If you give in to her without making her give anything then she'll just take it. It's always about enforcing your agenda over her agenda. If she won't comply first then there's little chance she would comply after you give her what she is after.

 

[SXS]

And that's exactly what this is. I have known (or rather strongly suspected) for awhile now that since she is now officially a "hot piece of ass" that she has started to use that to her advantage in a blatant and unforgiving manner.
She was telling me a story about how she ended up in a club last weekend in the VIP partying with basketball players and porn stars. Chick works 15 hours a week for minimum wage.....who is paying the bill?

Why do you care ?

Now I am NOT opposed to an exchange of goods or services for a piece of ass. It's another one of those things that there are a few prostitutes who directly exchange money for sex, then there are a few women who are on the opposite end of the spectrum who do not trade their pu$$y for anything (usually the most unattractive ones), and then there is the other 90% of the population that fall somewhere in the middle. Essentially, you will "pay to play" in some form or another most of the time.

Since she is moving in with you, you should warn her that you are expecting things and that this is not negociable.

I'm just calling this for what it is, and to be honest if the situation were different I might consider a similar arrangement. As long as both parties benefit, who is to judge? I just know that one way or the other I would get the short end of the stick with this one.

Only if you are not direct and clear about the rules. SHE wants to move, you let, but you lay down the law before, in every possible aspect. If she accepts, fine, if she doesn't, well, too bad.

 

[STR8UP]

And its good to see you are completely aware of what her real goals are.

Six months ago I was oblivious to what was really going on with this chick, but now that I know her game, I'm almost tempted to run it right back on her, just for the fun and the learning experience of it.

I know some of you might think it's "AFC" to even contemplate something like this, but I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun. And I don't really care what anyone thinks anyway :moon:

Remember, this is the chick who, before she left to start school this last term, told me that she wanted a LDR with me. She even reiterated that she was "glad we are doing this" a couple of weeks after she left.

Now we weren't really "doing" anything, but in her mind there was obviously something going on. I was going to play along and see where it got me, but after awhile I said to hell with it and pretty much just cut off contact. She had just started school in one of the craziest party cities in the US, so she was distracted for a couple of months. Now I'm sure the novelty of that has worn off and that's part of the reason she keeps trying to talk me into coming to stay with her for a couple of days.

Now that her game is obvious I think I'm going to have some fun with this. Maybe I'll pretend that I'm not sure about it, but I am still open to considering a relationship with her. Make HER jump through some hoops and see how she reacts.

Don't allow that to happen but definitely do work some counter mindgames on her by asking her what you can expect of her as a roomate and why she would deserve such an honor. After that kind of flirty cat and mouse b.s if she doesn't blow you and or fvck your brains out you should drop all dealings with this disrespectful small time manipulative cold fish.

Exactly.

She's either going to get pissed and give up trying to get anything from me, or she will be riding my c0ck all night long. Either way i don't have much to lose.

Even you agreeing to see her now is an honor for her

Yea, and that's why the ball is back in my court for now. She knows she doesn't have me by the balls by me having distanced myself from her.

 

[STR8UP]

That's exatly it. Really, it always comes down to you having something she wants and making her first give you what you want in exchange. If you give in to her without making her give anything then she'll just take it. It's always about enforcing your agenda over her agenda. If she won't comply first then there's little chance she would comply after you give her what she is after.

Yea, the idea of her moving in and crap like that is a definite no-go, but she doesn't have to know that right now. Since she will be coming into town for a week or two real soon it's the perfect opportunity to make her work for it. If i throw down when she is here she either bends in my direction now or she surely knows she will have no shot.

 

[KontrollerX]

"but now that I know her game, I'm almost tempted to run it right back on her, just for the fun and the learning experience of it.

I know some of you might think it's "AFC" to even contemplate something like this, but I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun."

Oh I myself only advocate against things like this to the new recruits that are just beginning and trying to learn the game as they simply aren't ready for this level of experimentation as they simply do not possess the knowledge and emotional control necessary to respond to every last game a woman can throw in the correct way that always keeps them firmly in their frame and not her's.

A young guy just learning the ropes is highly prone to scarcity mentality and will refuse to risk walking away from a chick he perceives as too hot to lose or she's the only girl he thinks he'll ever get etc.

A new recruit poster's unwillingness to walk away from what he fears to lose makes such a young guy a great whipping post for girlies like your college chick who recently "got it all figured out".

Which is why I teach the young and new to avoid doing what you are doing at least until they get a solid handle on the game and their emotions and have an urge for some entertaining experimentation.

I teach them to avoid things like this until they are ready because I don't want to see any would be DJ get played if he doesn't need to.

"And I don't really care what anyone thinks anyway"

Quite right.

After much inner game development this is where we all should be.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Str8up,
You are 37 in the very prime of life,it has been many years since you had someone around 24/7 even in the normal situation where you both go to work it can be tough,to have her under your feet all day every day!!......Too much,you will just get on each others nerves,great novelty for a week,then she will just get on your nerves and may I say vice versa.

 

[Nutz]

Let her stay somewhere else nearby and keep things going in a FB/FWB kinda thing, then bring her out as a pivot for your friends. Do NOT NOT NOT let her move in with you.

 

[thedeparted]

well, I made a deal with an ex to live with me for six weeks, do all the cooking and cleaning, in exchange for free place to stay. the sex was better than when we were together. the food was good. the place was clean. i was clear if she didn't follow through or gave me drama I'd kick her out like I did the first time. and it all worked fine. there was no downside EXCEPT that it ended after six weeks.

you seem like a strong guy so I think you could handle it like I did. the main thing is have a ground rule. if she doesn't make herself useful at work the deal is off and she is homeless. if she gets another guy involved in any way the deal is off and she is homeless. just make clear what behavior you want and that you'll hold her to it. if you are a strong man you can have an intern and a FB for a couple of months. but if you get sucked into her games b/c you lose control you'll have two months of anguish.

also, be careful about tenancy laws b/c if she lives with you for two months she could legally claim some kind of residency. there is probably some legal protection for that. whatever it is you should have it. otherwise, some judge will declare that you lived with a girl for 2 mo's so now she OWNS your business . . .

 

[STR8UP]

well, I made a deal with an ex to live with me for six weeks, do all the cooking and cleaning, in exchange for free place to stay. the sex was better than when we were together. the food was good. the place was clean. i was clear if she didn't follow through or gave me drama I'd kick her out like I did the first time. and it all worked fine. there was no downside EXCEPT that it ended after six weeks.

you seem like a strong guy so I think you could handle it like I did. the main thing is have a ground rule. if she doesn't make herself useful at work the deal is off and she is homeless. if she gets another guy involved in any way the deal is off and she is homeless. just make clear what behavior you want and that you'll hold her to it. if you are a strong man you can have an intern and a FB for a couple of months. but if you get sucked into her games b/c you lose control you'll have two months of anguish.

also, be careful about tenancy laws b/c if she lives with you for two months she could legally claim some kind of residency. there is probably some legal protection for that. whatever it is you should have it. otherwise, some judge will declare that you lived with a girl for 2 mo's so now she OWNS your business . . .

I'm not really worried about her trying to take up residency or anything like that. I know how it works since I own property and all but I doubt she would ever stoop that low.

My issue is that if she is here and staying with me (especially if she's putting out) she wouldn't have ANY money, so not only would i be providing her with a place to stay, but i would also be paying for two every time I wanted to do something.

I take sex for what it is and am not necessarily opposed to a more direct exchange of money for sex, but 1) The pu$$y wasn't that great when I had it in the past 2) I get the feeling that she would be fukking me out of obligation and not desire. That means the sex probably won't even be as good as it was then 3)I am in rebuilding mode as far as wealth goes and I'm not really feeling the idea of supporting someone, even though it wouldn't cost that much.

Like I said, if the situation were a little different then I might actually consider an arrangement like this, but given the circumstances I don't think it's in my best interest. Unless she really steps up to the plate and fukks me silly and proves her value when she's in town in a couple of weeks, anyway, hehe

 

[cordoncordon]

Haven't posted in a while so....

Str8up I really don't see why you need this drama in your life. You must be bored.

Find someone that wants to be with you because of YOU. YOU don't need this.

 

[Mr.Positive]

But then she started talking about coming to town to spend the summer next year. Alright.....

Then she suggested "interning" for me at my business. Yea.....

The she dropped the bomb.

"And I was thinking, I can stay with you while I'm there!"

Whoaaaa Nelly!

Say whattttt?????

Yes, she actually proposed MOVING IN WITH ME over the summer in exchange for "helping me with my business'.

Do you want her interning with your business? Do you trust her for this?

This is a tough one. 2 months could be an awfully long time if things don't go well.

I also think she knows what she's 'proposing'. It's also possible that she want's a 2 month sex filled working vacation too, and that she's into you Str8up. She might not see it as a transaction, but a win-win for both of you.

2 months of being free and fun with you.

But, again 2 months is a long time to commit to something like this.

What you could do is this, if you want her as an intern, tell her she could stay for a few days to see how it goes, to get her settled in your town...then the balls in her court.

This way, it's known that if you are not happy with the arrangement, it's over in a few days max.

Again, this puts her trying to prove to YOU, that she's worth staying at your place. It's your home, your castle, it's up to her to prove she's worth it.

If she fails to deliver, or starts playing games, demote her to friend and intern only. If you have another gal on the hook, even better..bring her over and make a lot of noise.

Then, tell this gal that she's causing issues with your dating life, and help her find a room somewhere else.

I don't know your history with this gal though str8up..so, this whole thing might not be worth it.

 

[STR8UP]

Do you want her interning with your business? Do you trust her for this?

I trust her, but everything comes with a price, and I like to try to keep myself "out of debt". She is proposing a trade, but it's hard to tell if she would see it as an even trade. If she were to add up what she would be making at a 40 hour a week job it would undoubtedly come out to more than she is getting from me, even at minimum wage.

I also think she knows what she's 'proposing'. It's also possible that she want's a 2 month sex filled working vacation too, and that she's into you Str8up. She might not see it as a transaction, but a win-win for both of you.

I think she is more concerned about a free ride. I am just a convenient vehicle to facilitate a fun filled summer in the town where her best friend also happens to live.

Once upon a time she worshiped the ground I walk on, but since she brought herself from a 6 to an 8 she changed, and it's pretty obvious that she's drunk on pu$$y power, despite whatever attraction she still might have for me.

What you could do is this, if you want her as an intern, tell her she could stay for a few days to see how it goes, to get her settled in your town...then the balls in her court.

This way, it's known that if you are not happy with the arrangement, it's over in a few days max.

Again, this puts her trying to prove to YOU, that she's worth staying at your place. It's your home, your castle, it's up to her to prove she's worth it.

If I were going to go in that direction that would be the ideal way to do it. Don't commit until she proves that it's worth it for me. I'll remember that in case I change my mind

 

[omkara]

wow I'm jealous... not of you, but of her. you actually had to work to get what you have.

 

[Tazman]

I take sex for what it is and am not necessarily opposed to a more direct exchange of money for sex

I get the feeling that she would be fukking me out of obligation and not desire. That means the sex probably won't even be as good as it was then

These two quotes seem a bit contradictory. If you aren't opposed to a more "direct" exchange of money for sex, how can you also expect the sex will be of good quality, especially if you consider her "desire" to be the main determinant of the outcome?

 

[STR8UP]

**Update**

It seems she's starting to break out the big guns.

She has been contacting me regularly now. She texted me last night (yea, that's how 22yr olds communicate) "Went to an antique store today in such and such district of town, and I thought of you!"

Who knows.... maybe my apathy is turning the spark back into a flame?

All I know is that she's going to have to jump through hoops to get ANYTHING from me.

These two quotes seem a bit contradictory. If you aren't opposed to a more "direct" exchange of money for sex, how can you also expect the sex will be of good quality, especially if you consider her "desire" to be the main determinant of the outcome?

I said I'm not opposed to a more direct exchange, not that I prefer it.

The best sex you will ever have is with someone you have a strong physical and emotional bond with. As you go down the scale toward being with someone you have no connection with (especially if you aren't physically attracted to her) the quality of the sex decreases, in my experience, but that doesn't mean that low quality sex is "bad" sex. It still serves a purpose.