Bible_Belt said:
I don't mean to pass judgment on you, Luke, all of us are sinners, but I do disagree with your stance that the Bible condones fleshlights.
http://www.ivmdl.org/cbec.cfm?study=113
With regard to sexuality, as one walks after the Spirit, one realizes that both by the purchase accomplished by Christ on the cross and by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit one’s body belongs to the Lord, not to sexual immorality (1 Cor. 6:9-29). Further, self-control is one of the fruits of the Spirit. Self-control is the grace-enacted restraining or moderating of one’s desires or having power over oneself rather than being mastered by anything (1 Cor. 7:5, 9; 1 Cor. 9:25; Galatians 5:23).
But I still think the whole masturbation theory is based on conjecture.
The Bible is black and white when pertaining to fornication, while even that could be twisted, it would take a bit of work looking at the Greek term and ignoring other verses (which says two becoming one) in order to justify it.
However the Bible is vague when you are talking about masturbation. I'm sure people did this since the beginning of time, why wasn't anything specifically mentioned? As pertaining to masturbation, people who say it's part of sexual immorality have an uphill battle to try and take some verses and try to 'stick' something into it because it's simply not there.
For example, there is no 'two becoming one' arguement on masturbation. In other sexual immorality, joining your temple with a harlot or other temples violates the sanctity of the concept that two only becomes one once with the person you marry. Two people becoming one flesh. That's the principle against pre-maritial sex and fornication is because it's unauthorized carnal knowledge or you are binding yourself to more than one person. However, masturbation doesn't have such a principle since it's a non-binding activity.
That being said, I would agree with excessive masturbation with really degrading and heavy lustful thought content is an issue of self-control, or if you are choosing to masturbate while you have a willing maritial partner or have no intention to have children while you are married, then that's another issue in itself. However, I don't think any of these ideas apply in my case since I don't think ths is being done excessively and I'm not married to anyone, and is done in context where if I am going to masturbate anyway then it should be done as accurate to simulated sex as possible.
There was also a spiritual test where my mom had the opportunity to move or touch a concealed fleshlight, and if there was anything accursed or wrong about it, with her spiritual insight she would have brought my attention to it, and/or opened it. She has in the past asked me to remove a specific DVD or CD which she felt was accurrsed that the Lord told her, and it really happened to be a questionable DVD or CD. If mom couldn't get any vibes about this fleshlight, and she is very close to the Lord, then I have to assume there is nothing wrong with it.