Guys, I'm about to crack right now.

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edger said:
I'm speaking for everybody. I find it extremely hard to believe that from the time you started "going after" women, that you knew all the tricks of the trade; what makes them tick and what doesn't. The only way some of these "tricks" can be learned, is through trial and error, and places like this from guys who have run field tests and who have sufficient experience.
Well I never knew "TRICKS" or "TECHNIQUES". But I was naturally able to attract based on the VALUE i portrayed. By the age of 18, I was quite experienced and in my twenties, it was a dime a dozen.

I certainly cannot relate to you on any level here as I experienced differently.

I always stress NATURAL VALUE rather than GAME. This way you do not need to artificially INJECT interest. Rather it is HIGH from the beginning from what you bring to the table.

My hang up with what you said is EVERYBODY. Which is a false ABSOLUTE.
 

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What good can come of it? I've been in this situation myself, so I know.

Seriously. All you're gonna do is hand over any sort of "power" you might have. Me? I don't like to hand over power.
 

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Why go back to a woman who doesn't value what she has?

Get over your ego talking. She has devalued herself and done you a favor. You don't want to be with someone who doesn't think highly of you.

Cut her off COMPLETELY and FOREVER. If you have to, REPLACE her.

The thing that will piss her off more than anything is you moving on, getting it together, and finding someone else you like even more than her.

Stay strong and keep and open watch out for something GREATER.

Life has something GREATER for you in store, my friend. Once you start speaking this and believing this, it will become true.

Make a positive self-fulfilling prophecy and believe it. Then soon it will be done.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
I'm just....really close to calling my ex. After a couple of months...godfu<king dammit. It's only been a little more than two months. TWO!

I just went to her myspace page and I'm starting to fall like a house of cards. The curiosity has just been swelling up for the past couple of days and I just gave in.

I'd feel like a total douche calling her after telling her I'd never talk to her again. I just want to have a conversation and joke like we always do. I really do miss talking to her.

How bad would it be if I went against my word? She said she would want to talk to me if I did call. I...I'm so close to just saying screw it and calling her.
MySpace?

Dude...don't waste your time with that crap.
 

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i have been there before and it was killing me to know that all i have to do is pick up the phone and talk to her. she would be willing and ready to chat it up.

i did call.....

it was the biggest mistake that i couldve made. i was weak and she knew it. it was as if i needed her there and she saw that as well. its a catch 22.

the reason why i called her was because i missed her. and maybe something would possibly happen down the road etc. plus it was a comfort thing. i was USE to her. talking to her seemed as if i was myself again.

but by calling her it showed how weak i was and of course who wants a weak man. it should neediness and of course who wants a needy man.
but mosf to of all.. it gave her CONFIDENCE AND CLOSURE...

she KNEW at that point, that no matter WHAT SHE DID or HOW I FELT that ended our relationship, that me calling is saying "hey it really doesnt matter what happened i need you around"

it felt WORSE at the end of the day that i gave up on myself and all i was doing was getting a false sense of security by calling her.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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THUNDERMAV, what does the most ideal scenario with you Ex here look like to you? In other words, if you could have everything go your way, what would that be?
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
THUNDERMAV, what does the most ideal scenario with you Ex here look like to you? In other words, if you could have everything go your way, what would that be?

Hmm.. Now we're asking the questions that are making me look deeper into my reflection.

I was really struggling with money when I lived with her. (Still am.) She use to address this issue about me getting out there and not being more ambitious. I use to get defensive and b!tch at her about it. One of the reasons I think she broke up with me was because of my financial situation. I was always broke. We didn't really go out. I was always looking for bartending jobs. I want to pursue acting fulltime but you all know how that goes.

I mean I'm doing a lot of voiceover work lately so as far as reaching my dreams I'm getting closer, but I'm still very much pennyless.

Heh, my grandmother told me when she first met my ex she said "she's a sweet girl. She seems very traditional. She's not like a working woman." In ways my ex was very liberal, but she wasn't a stuck up independent woman. She addressed many times how she liked the natural roles of males and females and wanted to be a part of that.

I mean she has hobbies that she could totally make a profession out of, but it's not going to consume her time. She's "wife" material I thought. I think she still is.

My ideal situation would be to be much more successful than I've been recently. I want to be well to do and not have to worry about money. She works full time and always struggled with money also. She didn't grow up with a rich family. I wanted to be able to take care of her the way a man should. Even throughout our relationship she was always supportive, we always had good sex (even up until the very last day). We were very much both equally physically attracted to each other. She never disrespected men by being intimate with other men. Even when her ex called her she told me about it and told me what they talked about. During the relationship I honestly didn't have many complaints.

Even now if I called her, no matter if I seemed desperate or agitated or whatever, we could honestly talk ourselves into the next day. Not just B.S. talk. We just flowed so naturally.

As a woman, I think she held her end of the bargain pretty well. As a man I can honestly say that I didn't hold up to what I felt I should be. I should...

blah.

Like I said, my ideal scenario would be to get back together with her as a successful man. I don't want her to worry about me being jealous or needy or poor.

I want to be with her again, but grown up.
 

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She's "wife" material I thought. I think she still is.
Please tell me this is not the chick that left you for some dude she cheated on you with, then emailed you months (or a year?) later talking sh!t about him including his appendage size.

Please tell me that.

You should never have had that thread deleted. It was nice hard reality for you to look back on.
 

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Like I said, my ideal scenario would be to get back together with her as a successful man.
The only way that your ever going to achieve that is by becoming succesful. If you truly want to be an actor, then I think you have to take a real hard look at your dreams. Do you honestly believe that you can be a successful man being an actor?

I bet less than 1% of actors are successful. Do you honestly believe your that good?

However don't let that get you down, I'm not here to shatter your dreams. What I am suggesting is re-evaluating your goals. If you truly want to be a successful man, then what do you want to be doing when your 40 or 50?

Realistically by acting, how long is it going to take you to become successful? If she's such a great catch, do you honestly believe that she will still be available when your a successful man if you take the acting route.

If your going the voice over route, well at least your making progress and making contacts. However I think its going to be a few more years before you can get bit roles, then slowly expand. You see how long a road it is.

Are you going to allow your desire for this women to hold you down while your pursuing your acting dream.

Personally, I don't think the two mesh. I think you have to decide between the two. In reality, I think they are both far fetched but I'm biased and not an artsy person.

Just something to think about.
 

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iqqi said:
Please tell me this is not the chick that left you for some dude she cheated on you with, then emailed you months (or a year?) later talking sh!t about him including his appendage size.

Please tell me that.

You should never have had that thread deleted. It was nice hard reality for you to look back on.
Iqqi, you goof, she didn't cheat on me. She had feelings for the guy and came clean about it. I decided to end the relationship when she had a hard time doing it.

Mac, I know what you're saying. I can't have it both ways. Right now I'm just a decent lay to women, nothing more. I can't be a provider. In that aspect I'm only half a man. hahaha. Why does that sound so funny?

And yes, if I'm still 40 or 50 still pursuing acting then that's fine. Why would I want to get into something else I don't want to do? I would be secure in a 9 to 5 or a decent profession, but even with that security I wouldn't be happy. I have one life. Why waste it on doing something safe? Why waste it on something I don't believe in?

I'll die before settling for less that what I am.
 

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Iqqi, you goof, she didn't cheat on me. She had feelings for the guy and came clean about it. I decided to end the relationship when she had a hard time doing it.
Well I won't keep harping on you about it, but luckily my fantastic memory remembers that the big deal wasn't the break up, but her actions as a person period, including how she talked about her current boyfriend to you. I remember thinking she was a gross individual. This entire forum was pretty grossed out by her. To the point where you asked for the thread to be deleted, it was pretty embarrassing for you. Wife material, huh.

Like I said, you should have kept that thread. Hopefully you atleast saved it for your own records. Its easy to remember the good things and forget the awful. It's called selective memory.

She isn't the chick for you. You can do better.
 

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Well I won't keep harping on you about it, but luckily my fantastic memory remembers that the big deal wasn't the break up, but her actions as a person period, including how she talked about her current boyfriend to you. I remember thinking she was a gross individual. This entire forum was pretty grossed out by her. To the point where you asked for the thread to be deleted, it was pretty embarrassing for you. Wife material, huh.

Like I said, you should have kept that thread. Hopefully you atleast saved it for your own records. Its easy to remember the good things and forget the awful. It's called selective memory.

She isn't the chick for you. You can do better.

I deleted it because it was a very intimate letter. It was addressed to me and no one else. I let you guys see it because I was curious as to what you guys thought about it. Even when I posted it I knew it was disrespectful on my part to show it. I doubt she's proud of that letter.

And as I said after the break up is when I had a major problem with her. When we started again talking a couple of months ago (after almost a year of NC on my part) and mentioned the other guy she just wanted to have no strings attached sex with who lived in another state THAT'S what I had a problem with.
 

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I deleted it because it was a very intimate letter. It was addressed to me and no one else. I let you guys see it because I was curious as to what you guys thought about it. Even when I posted it I knew it was disrespectful on my part to show it. I doubt she's proud of that letter.

And as I said after the break up is when I had a major problem with her. When we started again talking a couple of months ago (after almost a year of NC on my part) and mentioned the other guy she just wanted to have no strings attached sex with who lived in another state THAT'S what I had a problem with.
Well its good you can see what is wrong with YOUR actions.

Too bad you are so openminded about other's messed up actions, especially when it involves and affects you directly.

I just hope that 08 is the year you decide to raise your standards for others to something that is atleast reflective of your own integrity and standards.
 

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Well its good you can see what is wrong with YOUR actions.

Too bad you are so openminded about other's messed up actions, especially when it involves and affects you directly.

I just hope that 08 is the year you decide to raise your standards for others to something that is atleast reflective of your own integrity and standards.

Dude, when did I NOT say she f*cked up? When did I say I tolerated it? WHY do think I'm not talking to her? We're not speaking because I made that choice, not her.

Goooofy!
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
Hmm.. Now we're asking the questions that are making me look deeper into my reflection.

I was really struggling with money when I lived with her. (Still am.) She use to address this issue about me getting out there and not being more ambitious. I use to get defensive and b!tch at her about it. One of the reasons I think she broke up with me was because of my financial situation. I was always broke. We didn't really go out. I was always looking for bartending jobs. I want to pursue acting fulltime but you all know how that goes.

I mean I'm doing a lot of voiceover work lately so as far as reaching my dreams I'm getting closer, but I'm still very much pennyless.

Heh, my grandmother told me when she first met my ex she said "she's a sweet girl. She seems very traditional. She's not like a working woman." In ways my ex was very liberal, but she wasn't a stuck up independent woman. She addressed many times how she liked the natural roles of males and females and wanted to be a part of that.

I mean she has hobbies that she could totally make a profession out of, but it's not going to consume her time. She's "wife" material I thought. I think she still is.

My ideal situation would be to be much more successful than I've been recently. I want to be well to do and not have to worry about money. She works full time and always struggled with money also. She didn't grow up with a rich family. I wanted to be able to take care of her the way a man should. Even throughout our relationship she was always supportive, we always had good sex (even up until the very last day). We were very much both equally physically attracted to each other. She never disrespected men by being intimate with other men. Even when her ex called her she told me about it and told me what they talked about. During the relationship I honestly didn't have many complaints.

Even now if I called her, no matter if I seemed desperate or agitated or whatever, we could honestly talk ourselves into the next day. Not just B.S. talk. We just flowed so naturally.

As a woman, I think she held her end of the bargain pretty well. As a man I can honestly say that I didn't hold up to what I felt I should be. I should...

blah.

Like I said, my ideal scenario would be to get back together with her as a successful man. I don't want her to worry about me being jealous or needy or poor.

I want to be with her again, but grown up.
Hah, you're a true fool if you really wanna get back with this woman if you think one of the reasons she broke up with you was because of your financial situation. Why the F*CK would any self-respecting person wanna be with a good-for-nothing, dumb c*nt who only values a man for how much money he has?? A woman who will not consider a man because he is struggling financially, doesn't really love her man. That's a whole-hard fact! She's "in love" with your means. Go ahead, do whatever you want. If you get back with her, I hope you get burned again when she leaves you for taking a pay cut, or losing your job. Futhermore, it's also a red-flag when a woman wants to play the traditional role of a woman. That indicates she doesn't wanna work like everybody else and expects to live as a free-loader. You have it all wrong Thunder, if you think men are supposed to support women. I've debated and discussed this so many times in simple termonology how today(2008) it's no longer necessary the way it once was to support women. You listen too much to some of these guys around here. Then guys like you and them will wonder and pout on here about their wives/girlfriends leaving them, when they themselves dug their own graves. So, if you wanna get f*cked again, go right ahead, just don't come back here whining about this girl or another leaving you because you were "broke".

And I wanna make it clear that I'm not saying a woman should stay with a guy if the reason he's not working is out of sheer laziness, or if he's not looking to improve his financial situation to where he is able to contribute to the money pool they have with each other. If you're not making an effort to work and contribute to the financial pool that you and her both put money into, then she has every reason to leave. But that doesn't seem to be the case with you, at least you're making an effort.

Just do yourself a favor; don't be a moron.
 

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TM,
you have honorable intentions, man.
You have a good heart.
Now you know why the pursuit of high character runs high on the list for the man who wants Self Realization.

TM, the best thing you can do right now, is focus on exploring those areas where you feel a little 'immature'.
Focus on those places where youhave negative/self limiting beliefs.

That's the stuff that is holding you back.

That 'gunk' that lies deep in the subconscious.

Im not saying to hold on to the dream of reconnecting with the ex, but you must regain your perspective, and strength, and really face your demons and make a concerted effort to get your life on course.

You are really a strong example for men everywhere who can relate to you and your expereinces, and your current outlook.
That means that we should work on living a good life, with no regrets. And always looking for growth and new experiences to aid us in that endeavour.


But remember, not having a lot of money is not a moral failing.
It is not a lack of virtue.

But money is a tool. It helps create more opportunities.

And we as mature men, have to recognize that if we dont have that area well covered, I mean we are really paying attention to it, finding reosurces, opportunities, budgeting, spending wisely, investing and saving, and being shrewd in spending habits, we put a HUGE strain on a relationship with a woman.
I know that a mature healthy woman will still love her man even if he doesnt have a bright financial picture.
But it can definitely limit the experiences and sense of assurednes that we like to have.

Having money does not help 'game'. It does not give you extra special psychokinetic super powers to be a Master DJ, the artiste of Seduction....

If you are boring and dull, and have no passion...
it doesnt matter how much money you have.

Women arent going to feel your sexuality and your masculine power.
Which is what they want, and ultimately truly VALUE and remember...

Having money attracts a lot of women.

But not sexual attraction.
And not INTEREST from women who believe in romantic love, not just 'affection'.

Good marriages and relationships in general are successful when there's real love, not ONLY Affection.

So yes, having bank attracts the women who arent really interested in YOU as a person, it attracts those women who want your status, and provisioning.

Having a lot of money means you have to be even MORE discerning and truly skilled at qualifying the potential women.
But like I said, money does not inject you with "game" and raw sexual charm and charisma, or masculinity.

SO keep things in proper perspective.


Realize that perhaps this woman was not an ideal candidate as you thought she was. Maybe she has changed, maybe not.
You may want to really integrate the concept of Attracting a woman similar to her, but perhaps with a higher charcater and capacity to love.
I believe that ruight now you may be suffering form a little lack of emotional intimacy, and may start to 'idealize' her, and the relationship you HAD. Which is not really healthy.
Again, Im not saying DONT try to reconnect, BUT...
she did display some doubtful behavior. And I truly hope youre not justifying her behavior or rationalzing it for her.

You are not responsible for her perceptions of you or her behavior. This is imperative to understand and fully integrate into your overall Life Concept.
I think you should reamin open to the possibility, but be more focused on attracting a woman similar to her in the best light , with all the good qualities.


You must stay focused on your SELF, your Self Cultivation ALWAYS.
With or without a woman in your life.
And you are always supposed to be working on your Mission.
Again, with or without a woman in your life.

Improvement means GROWTH.
So work on growing, by asking questons, and exploring.
It doesnt hurt to expereince and ask questions, even if you dont like the answers...
What hurts is staying too DEEP inside one's comfort zone. and having fear intimidate one into inaction.

Men grow up not wanting to deal with their emotions. And their past negative expereinces and trauma.
This perspective only hurts one , in the short term and long term, and hinders growth...and yes...maturity.


We need to relearn how to live.

The mature masculine man works on these concepts every day.

In every interaction.
And does the best he can to not cast a 'negative' light on everything.

It is all an experiment. And one step closer to growth and accomplishing our goals towards our ultimate mission in life.


Anyway, I applaud your efforts, TM. And your good intentions and honorable intentions overall.

We need to become the Best men we can be.
SO that we can attract those things in life we truly wish to have...people, places, and things.

It always makes sense to think in becoming the masculine counterpart to the femenine partner we envision in our lives.
If we want a high class, high character woman who is kind, living and affectionate, thoughtful of us, and caring...then we have to be the masculine counterpart to her.
We must have those traits in our own Being as well.

You cant expect to be a slob with no life, and no values or opinions, no goals , dreams, or ambition and want some supermodel high class executive who is sweet, and caring etc..
You just wont 'match'.
Those type of women dont even notice men like that.
They dont even appear on their 'radar'.

Im a big beliver of the Law of Attraction.
And I believe this applies to partnering as well.

In addition to asserting your Personal Boundary, your basci character level will be the main 'attractor' of women to you.
Especially If what you want is something deeper, meaningful and long term.
having a strong personal boundary helps one deal with potential heartbreak much more decisively.
You may feel some pain. but when you realize she's no good for you, you can assert yourself with much more conviction, and walk away when you need to.
You can emotionally divest, and keep your masculinity and resources from being abused and 'leaking' out. You wont feel like someone is dominating you or making your decisions for you. And you cn take a step baqck and be more logical about things..

Good luck and stay strong, man
 

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Hah, you're a true fool if you really wanna get back with this woman if you think one of the reasons she broke up with you was because of your financial situation. Why the F*CK would any self-respecting person wanna be with a good-for-nothing, dumb c*nt who only values a man for how much money he has?? A woman who will not consider a man because he is struggling financially, doesn't really love her man. That's a whole-hard fact! She's "in love" with your means. Go ahead, do whatever you want. If you get back with her, I hope you get burned again when she leaves you for taking a pay cut, or losing your job. Futhermore, it's also a red-flag when a woman wants to play the traditional role of a woman. That indicates she doesn't wanna work like everybody else and expects to live as a free-loader. You have it all wrong Thunder, if you think men are supposed to support women. I've debated and discussed this so many times in simple termonology how today(2008) it's no longer necessary the way it once was to support women. You listen too much to some of these guys around here. Then guys like you and them will wonder and pout on here about their wives/girlfriends leaving them, when they themselves dug their own graves. So, if you wanna get f*cked again, go right ahead, just don't come back here whining about this girl or another leaving you because you were "broke".

And I wanna make it clear that I'm not saying a woman should stay with a guy if the reason he's not working is out of sheer laziness, or if he's not looking to improve his financial situation to where he is able to contribute to the money pool they have with each other. If you're not making an effort to work and contribute to the financial pool that you and her both put money into, then she has every reason to leave. But that doesn't seem to be the case with you, at least you're making an effort.

Just do yourself a favor; don't be a moron.
What if I told you I was being lazy?


Dude, why would any woman leave ANY man for ANY reason? No, she wasn't shallow in the least. I should know. I lived with her for 8 months. I looked at the way she valued material things. She didn't place much stock in bobbles and trinkets. You have this idea in your heads that I'm building up this woman like she could do no wrong. I'm not. She's immature in a lot of ways.

However I'm not going to agree with you that she was materialistic when she clearly wasn't. She was with a guy who went from job to job for almost two years. She had every opportunity to be with other guys. She's a solid 8 if you saw her. She would get hit on constantly by older men, telling her that they'd take care of her and whatnot. She would even get picked up by guys when I was out with her! If she wanted to be a materialistic b!tch she could have been. She still could be.

That's not the way she is. The situation is even more embarrassing than I'm leading on. I'll feel even worse about myself if I divulge any more information that I'm leaving out.

Just know that she wasn't a b!tch.
 

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What if I told you I was being lazy?
Its too bad that you took this thread from a great spot, to trolling & drama queen territory with that post. You got some great debate going up until that post.
 

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Dude, when did I NOT say she f*cked up? When did I say I tolerated it? WHY do think I'm not talking to her? We're not speaking because I made that choice, not her.

Goooofy!
Yeah... but you just said she was wifey material!

That is alarming to me. As someone who gives a sh!t about you. ;)
 

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Its too bad that you took this thread from a great spot, to trolling & drama queen territory with that post. You got some great debate going up until that post.

It's true though. I told you the story is more embarrassing than I lead on.

If you don't have anything else constructive to say, then follow the advice on your recent thread that you made.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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