Getting jacked/ripped would eliminate 85% of the problems on this forum..

[GreatHornedOwl]

Everybody thinks they have a fix to their problems, until it doesn't fix it.

Money won't fix it. Driving a sports car won't fix it. Being jacked won't fix it.

You take a guy who doesn't get women, and snap your fingers. All of a sudden he has a million dollars in the bank and is driving a sports car to the bar. Guess what? That money, it's in the bank. It can't do the talking for him. That quarter of a million dollar sports car? It's in the parking lot. It has an engine, but not vocal cords. It's not going to seduce women. You have to do that.

Let's say this guy is suddenly jacked, and now gets a lot of eye contact. He still won't get laid, because he won't go up to these women. And if they go up to him, he'll screw it up.

Men will never admit that they themselves are the problem. They'll give every excuse in the book on how it's a lack of looks, status, money, etc. It's a defense mechanism, because otherwise they'd have to admit it's their personality that is unattractive. And nobody will admit that because that is the core foundation of who someone is.

When a guy gets rejected how often does he say "She didn't like my personality"? Never. You automatically assume your personality was great, and that it had to have been something else. You're cushioning the blow of the rejection and chalking it up to something that was out of your control to make yourself feel better.

The bottom line is most guys are not as confident and smooth as they think, and that is why they get rejected.

 

[cola]

Everybody thinks they have a fix to their problems, until it doesn't fix it.

Money won't fix it. Driving a sports car won't fix it. Being jacked won't fix it.

You take a guy who doesn't get women, and snap your fingers. All of a sudden he has a million dollars in the bank and is driving a sports car to the bar. Guess what? That money, it's in the bank. It can't do the talking for him. That quarter of a million dollar sports car? It's in the parking lot. It has an engine, but not vocal cords. It's not going to seduce women. You have to do that.

Let's say this guy is suddenly jacked, and now gets a lot of eye contact. He still won't get laid, because he won't go up to these women. And if they go up to him, he'll screw it up.

Men will never admit that they themselves are the problem. They'll give every excuse in the book on how it's a lack of looks, status, money, etc. It's a defense mechanism, because otherwise they'd have to admit it's their personality that is unattractive. And nobody will admit that because that is the core foundation of who someone is.

When a guy gets rejected how often does he say "She didn't like my personality"? Never. You automatically assume your personality was great, and that it had to have been something else. You're cushioning the blow of the rejection and chalking it up to something that was out of your control to make yourself feel better.

The bottom line is most guys are not as confident and smooth as they think, and that is why they get rejected.

You do realize it’s a large percentage of women who will f*ck you based solely on the fact that you look good right?

 

[Velasco]

You do realize it’s a large percentage of women who will f*ck you based solely on the fact that you look good right?

there is even a larger percentage of women who won't f*ck guys because they screw it up

 

[Bokanovsky]

If you want to get big to be intimidating, I would think martial arts would be in order, so that you can back it all up if ever needed. I saw two jacked mucle guys get in a fight at a strip club once and it was hilarious. They were slapping each other like girls. Size will bluff most people, but eventually someone will call that bluff.

Only a moron would get into a fight at a strip club, regardless of whether they have martial arts training. Martial arts mean nothing when the other guy has a gun.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Even if the personality factor is the major factor. It still couldn't hurt getting jacked.

 

[Obee1]

Many good points brought up in response to Cola's post, but IMO, I lean toward Cola's assertion from my experiences but with several caveats. When a muscular man walks in a room it's noticed a lot quicker than his Rolex watch or the smell of his cologne. It grabs women's attention the fastest at which time they start making other assessments. These assessments can be positive or negative or indifferent based on their situation. I.e. low self esteem, high self esteem, availability, mental note for later fantasy flicking the bean, menstrual cycle etc etc. The caveats are, is he walking and talking confidently like he has other things going on. Is he stylishly dressed with good hygiene. Is he approachable etc. This isn't directed toward any person here, as many have different views for different reasons, but I'm 53 and have been accused of steroid use on more than one occasion by insecure people who felt the need to give themselves a pass for not achieving a results they deep down wish they could. It's easier to blame others and say some things are out of their control to feel better about shirking their own responsibility. I'm here to tell you that physically most men never come close to maximizing their own genetic capabilities. No I don't use PEDs. I'll take it as a compliment though. But really, it tells me more about you (if this applies) than me.

 

[cola]

Many good points brought up in response to Cola's post, but IMO, I lean toward Cola's assertion from my experiences but with several caveats. When a muscular man walks in a room it's noticed a lot quicker than his Rolex watch or the smell of his cologne. It grabs women's attention the fastest at which time they start making other assessments. These assessments can be positive or negative or indifferent based on their situation. I.e. low self esteem, high self esteem, availability, mental note for later fantasy flicking the bean, menstrual cycle etc etc. The caveats are, is he walking and talking confidently like he has other things going on. Is he stylishly dressed with good hygiene. Is he approachable etc. This isn't directed toward any person here, as many have different views for different reasons, but I'm 53 and have been accused of steroid use on more than one occasion by insecure people who felt the need to give themselves a pass for not achieving a results they deep down wish they could. It's easier to blame others and say some things are out of their control to feel better about shirking their own responsibility. I'm here to tell you that physically most men never come close to maximizing their own genetic capabilities. No I don't use PEDs. I'll take it as a compliment though. But really, it tells me more about you (if this applies) than me.

This is the jacked physique I was talking about and is perfectly achievable by 90% of men with hard work and NOT STEROIDS.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Many good points brought up in response to Cola's post, but IMO, I lean toward Cola's assertion from my experiences but with several caveats. When a muscular man walks in a room it's noticed a lot quicker than his Rolex watch or the smell of his cologne. It grabs women's attention the fastest at which time they start making other assessments. These assessments can be positive or negative or indifferent based on their situation. I.e. low self esteem, high self esteem, availability, mental note for later fantasy flicking the bean, menstrual cycle etc etc. The caveats are, is he walking and talking confidently like he has other things going on. Is he stylishly dressed with good hygiene. Is he approachable etc. This isn't directed toward any person here, as many have different views for different reasons, but I'm 53 and have been accused of steroid use on more than one occasion by insecure people who felt the need to give themselves a pass for not achieving a results they deep down wish they could. It's easier to blame others and say some things are out of their control to feel better about shirking their own responsibility. I'm here to tell you that physically most men never come close to maximizing their own genetic capabilities. No I don't use PEDs. I'll take it as a compliment though. But really, it tells me more about you (if this applies) than me.

That's a good body at 50. Gives hopes for me in twenty years.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I don't see why steroid use is considered negative. It's not negative for the athletes they admire. It's not negative for the stars on screen in their favorite movies. You still have lift a shjt ton of weight on gear. It allows you to lift more weight. I don't see how lifting 280 naturally is more impressive than lifting 380 on gear. 380 is heavier than 280. Get jacked and work on personality/game.

 

[SW15]

To be fair, some celebrities do use steroids to get fit in time. I sure as hell know Christian Bale wasn't that fit before his role in Batman.

Did you ever see American Psycho? He was in good shape there.

You do realize it’s a large percentage of women who will f*ck you based solely on the fact that you look good right?

Being jacked/ripped definitely helps a guy get pusssy. Disputing that is silly. It's not automatic.

 

[DonJuanjr]

@Obee1 What's your shoulder routine consist of?

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I think you are right that it will fix almost everything, but it would not solve the problems of most men on this forum. I believe most users on this forum struggle connecting with women and that's the main issue.


I'd say I'm in top 1% shape for men my age (been a natural bodybuilder since my 20s, not competed but it's a serious hobby of mine). I am familiar with the eye-f*cking you mentioned. Also improved self-esteem etc. However, it has not solved my dating problems. In fact, I struggle more now than I did in my younger years when I was not in such a good shape.

I also have plenty of wealth and professional success, again probably at the top 1% of men my age. Yet, my dating life is non-existent (I get sex from escorts, but that's a different story).

I don't have self-esteem issues. The reason for my relative poor success with women comes down to one thing: I lack connection with women - that is, I don't meet them in right circumstances, I have poor game, and OLD is a hopeless venue. I suspect this is the root cause of most men's dating problems.


In any case, getting in shape is an excellent idea for all men, and I recommend it for everyone as you did.

I honestly think (and this is not an excuse or a cop-out) that the main problem is the personalities of the girls. They are just so damn pretentious and have such little to offer other than sex ( that you can get from escorts) that it makes dealing with them arduous. Time is valuable and I don't have time to waste on pointless endeavors. And despite what people here say, sex with an escort is not inferior to sex that you didn't directly pay for. Only problem is if you don't finish in 30 minutes lol. With the obvious advantage that you don't have to invest any of your real life in the girl.

 

[allergictobs]

What settings are you in recreationally and what city? Do you attend events with live music and groups of women?

I live in central Europe (don't want to be more specific than that). I don't attend any large events anymore (I did when I was in my 20s), always been very introverted and prefer smaller groups and settings. I'm very aware that this is the main reason for my struggle with dating and women, just like I mentioned in my previous post.

I also suck at conversations and small talk. I've blown countless promising encounters with women by opening my mouth. I don't fully understand why, but quite a few times a slightly interested girl has left angry after talking to me for a couple of minutes. I think it's because I'm very straightforward and boring. Also, I'm a bit of an assh*le, and I don't jump through any hoops if one is set for me.

Life has become quite comfortable over the years and I don't stress so much about dating anymore. I've noticed that I'm happiest when I focus on hobbies and career, forget about trying to date and meet escorts instead to fulfill sexual needs.

 

[GreatHornedOwl]

You do realize it’s a large percentage of women who will f*ck you based solely on the fact that you look good right?

You do realize women are not going to go up to a guy and say that, right? The guy still has to approach, carry a conversation, charm, get the number and escalate accordingly. Guys who are BAD with women cannot do this. NOTHING will change that. They still have to interact with these women, display good socials skills and emotional intelligence, know what to say, when to say it, etc. Muscles doesn't suddenly solve all of this. It's very naive and ignorant to think it does.

I am not big, not that tall, and put my jacked friends to shame when it comes to getting women. They have focused on the gym, I have focused on psychology. Reading people, situations, knowing when to be mysterious, how to use social proof, mastered being non-reactive, don't chase, smooth talker, comfortable in any situation. You think working out gives you the edge on me? I'm not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just telling you that social intelligence is what dictates how well you do with women. That is the bottom line.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Women should be easy in Sweden from last I heard. You have to be doing something wrong.

Add to this he likes bigger bones females...

 

[SW15]

You do realize women are not going to go up to a guy and say that, right? The guy still has to approach, carry a conversation, charm, get the number and escalate accordingly. Guys who are BAD with women cannot do this. NOTHING will change that. They still have to interact with these women, display good socials skills and emotional intelligence, know what to say, when to say it, etc. Muscles doesn't suddenly solve all of this. It's very naive and ignorant to think it does.

The threshold of game that a man needs to seduce a woman is much lower when he is jacked/ripped.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I live in central Europe (don't want to be more specific than that). I don't attend any large events anymore (I did when I was in my 20s), always been very introverted and prefer smaller groups and settings. I'm very aware that this is the main reason for my struggle with dating and women, just like I mentioned in my previous post.

I also suck at conversations and small talk. I've blown countless promising encounters with women by opening my mouth. I don't fully understand why, but quite a few times a slightly interested girl has left angry after talking to me for a couple of minutes. I think it's because I'm very straightforward and boring. Also, I'm a bit of an assh*le, and I don't jump through any hoops if one is set for me.

Life has become quite comfortable over the years and I don't stress so much about dating anymore. I've noticed that I'm happiest when I focus on hobbies and career, forget about trying to date and meet escorts instead to fulfill sexual needs.

I live in the USA... But I've been in central Europe for the past couple weeks.

Geneva -> Bern -> Zurich -> Liechtenstein -> Innsbruck -> Salzburg -> Vienna (best city in the world!) -> now I'm in Bratislava

Whenever I travel, I realize how bad the obesity epidemic in the USA is.

 

[Obee1]

I don't see why steroid use is considered negative. It's not negative for the athletes they admire. It's not negative for the stars on screen in their favorite movies. You still have lift a shjt ton of weight on gear. It allows you to lift more weight. I don't see how lifting 280 naturally is more impressive than lifting 380 on gear. 380 is heavier than 280. Get jacked and work on personality/game.

I agree. I don't use them because I haven't needed to. I do blood work once a year. If my T levels plummet below the norm and I felt I've done the right things naturally, I'll seek some sort of TRT. Just like if I went to the eye doctor and my vision was suboptimal, I'd get glasses or contacts. Low T is just as harmful as Extremely high T.

 

[GreatHornedOwl]

The threshold of game that a man needs to seduce a woman is much lower when he is jacked/ripped.

The famous "other guy syndrome".

This other imaginary hypothetical guy that has such an easy time dealing with women. Guess what? That guy is saying the same thing about some other dude.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Well one thing we know. Guys that are jacked were not born this way. They were once not jacked and still dealt with women. They believe when you get jacked there is a positive result. Guys who are not jacked can not say otherwise as they don't have the reference point. I'll take the jacked guys words for it.