Getting jacked/ripped would eliminate 85% of the problems on this forum..

[Velasco]

You do realize it’s a large percentage of women who will f*ck you based solely on the fact that you look good right?

there is even a larger percentage of women who won't f*ck guys because they screw it up

 

[Bokanovsky]

If you want to get big to be intimidating, I would think martial arts would be in order, so that you can back it all up if ever needed. I saw two jacked mucle guys get in a fight at a strip club once and it was hilarious. They were slapping each other like girls. Size will bluff most people, but eventually someone will call that bluff.

Only a moron would get into a fight at a strip club, regardless of whether they have martial arts training. Martial arts mean nothing when the other guy has a gun.

 

[Obee1]

Many good points brought up in response to Cola's post, but IMO, I lean toward Cola's assertion from my experiences but with several caveats. When a muscular man walks in a room it's noticed a lot quicker than his Rolex watch or the smell of his cologne. It grabs women's attention the fastest at which time they start making other assessments. These assessments can be positive or negative or indifferent based on their situation. I.e. low self esteem, high self esteem, availability, mental note for later fantasy flicking the bean, menstrual cycle etc etc. The caveats are, is he walking and talking confidently like he has other things going on. Is he stylishly dressed with good hygiene. Is he approachable etc. This isn't directed toward any person here, as many have different views for different reasons, but I'm 53 and have been accused of steroid use on more than one occasion by insecure people who felt the need to give themselves a pass for not achieving a results they deep down wish they could. It's easier to blame others and say some things are out of their control to feel better about shirking their own responsibility. I'm here to tell you that physically most men never come close to maximizing their own genetic capabilities. No I don't use PEDs. I'll take it as a compliment though. But really, it tells me more about you (if this applies) than me.

 

[cola]

Many good points brought up in response to Cola's post, but IMO, I lean toward Cola's assertion from my experiences but with several caveats. When a muscular man walks in a room it's noticed a lot quicker than his Rolex watch or the smell of his cologne. It grabs women's attention the fastest at which time they start making other assessments. These assessments can be positive or negative or indifferent based on their situation. I.e. low self esteem, high self esteem, availability, mental note for later fantasy flicking the bean, menstrual cycle etc etc. The caveats are, is he walking and talking confidently like he has other things going on. Is he stylishly dressed with good hygiene. Is he approachable etc. This isn't directed toward any person here, as many have different views for different reasons, but I'm 53 and have been accused of steroid use on more than one occasion by insecure people who felt the need to give themselves a pass for not achieving a results they deep down wish they could. It's easier to blame others and say some things are out of their control to feel better about shirking their own responsibility. I'm here to tell you that physically most men never come close to maximizing their own genetic capabilities. No I don't use PEDs. I'll take it as a compliment though. But really, it tells me more about you (if this applies) than me.

This is the jacked physique I was talking about and is perfectly achievable by 90% of men with hard work and NOT STEROIDS.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Many good points brought up in response to Cola's post, but IMO, I lean toward Cola's assertion from my experiences but with several caveats. When a muscular man walks in a room it's noticed a lot quicker than his Rolex watch or the smell of his cologne. It grabs women's attention the fastest at which time they start making other assessments. These assessments can be positive or negative or indifferent based on their situation. I.e. low self esteem, high self esteem, availability, mental note for later fantasy flicking the bean, menstrual cycle etc etc. The caveats are, is he walking and talking confidently like he has other things going on. Is he stylishly dressed with good hygiene. Is he approachable etc. This isn't directed toward any person here, as many have different views for different reasons, but I'm 53 and have been accused of steroid use on more than one occasion by insecure people who felt the need to give themselves a pass for not achieving a results they deep down wish they could. It's easier to blame others and say some things are out of their control to feel better about shirking their own responsibility. I'm here to tell you that physically most men never come close to maximizing their own genetic capabilities. No I don't use PEDs. I'll take it as a compliment though. But really, it tells me more about you (if this applies) than me.

That's a good body at 50. Gives hopes for me in twenty years.

 

[SW15]

To be fair, some celebrities do use steroids to get fit in time. I sure as hell know Christian Bale wasn't that fit before his role in Batman.

Did you ever see American Psycho? He was in good shape there.

You do realize it’s a large percentage of women who will f*ck you based solely on the fact that you look good right?

Being jacked/ripped definitely helps a guy get pusssy. Disputing that is silly. It's not automatic.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I think you are right that it will fix almost everything, but it would not solve the problems of most men on this forum. I believe most users on this forum struggle connecting with women and that's the main issue.


I'd say I'm in top 1% shape for men my age (been a natural bodybuilder since my 20s, not competed but it's a serious hobby of mine). I am familiar with the eye-f*cking you mentioned. Also improved self-esteem etc. However, it has not solved my dating problems. In fact, I struggle more now than I did in my younger years when I was not in such a good shape.

I also have plenty of wealth and professional success, again probably at the top 1% of men my age. Yet, my dating life is non-existent (I get sex from escorts, but that's a different story).

I don't have self-esteem issues. The reason for my relative poor success with women comes down to one thing: I lack connection with women - that is, I don't meet them in right circumstances, I have poor game, and OLD is a hopeless venue. I suspect this is the root cause of most men's dating problems.


In any case, getting in shape is an excellent idea for all men, and I recommend it for everyone as you did.

I honestly think (and this is not an excuse or a cop-out) that the main problem is the personalities of the girls. They are just so damn pretentious and have such little to offer other than sex ( that you can get from escorts) that it makes dealing with them arduous. Time is valuable and I don't have time to waste on pointless endeavors. And despite what people here say, sex with an escort is not inferior to sex that you didn't directly pay for. Only problem is if you don't finish in 30 minutes lol. With the obvious advantage that you don't have to invest any of your real life in the girl.

 

[allergictobs]

What settings are you in recreationally and what city? Do you attend events with live music and groups of women?

I live in central Europe (don't want to be more specific than that). I don't attend any large events anymore (I did when I was in my 20s), always been very introverted and prefer smaller groups and settings. I'm very aware that this is the main reason for my struggle with dating and women, just like I mentioned in my previous post.

I also suck at conversations and small talk. I've blown countless promising encounters with women by opening my mouth. I don't fully understand why, but quite a few times a slightly interested girl has left angry after talking to me for a couple of minutes. I think it's because I'm very straightforward and boring. Also, I'm a bit of an assh*le, and I don't jump through any hoops if one is set for me.

Life has become quite comfortable over the years and I don't stress so much about dating anymore. I've noticed that I'm happiest when I focus on hobbies and career, forget about trying to date and meet escorts instead to fulfill sexual needs.

 

[GreatHornedOwl]

You do realize it’s a large percentage of women who will f*ck you based solely on the fact that you look good right?

You do realize women are not going to go up to a guy and say that, right? The guy still has to approach, carry a conversation, charm, get the number and escalate accordingly. Guys who are BAD with women cannot do this. NOTHING will change that. They still have to interact with these women, display good socials skills and emotional intelligence, know what to say, when to say it, etc. Muscles doesn't suddenly solve all of this. It's very naive and ignorant to think it does.

I am not big, not that tall, and put my jacked friends to shame when it comes to getting women. They have focused on the gym, I have focused on psychology. Reading people, situations, knowing when to be mysterious, how to use social proof, mastered being non-reactive, don't chase, smooth talker, comfortable in any situation. You think working out gives you the edge on me? I'm not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just telling you that social intelligence is what dictates how well you do with women. That is the bottom line.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Women should be easy in Sweden from last I heard. You have to be doing something wrong.

Add to this he likes bigger bones females...

 

[SW15]

You do realize women are not going to go up to a guy and say that, right? The guy still has to approach, carry a conversation, charm, get the number and escalate accordingly. Guys who are BAD with women cannot do this. NOTHING will change that. They still have to interact with these women, display good socials skills and emotional intelligence, know what to say, when to say it, etc. Muscles doesn't suddenly solve all of this. It's very naive and ignorant to think it does.

The threshold of game that a man needs to seduce a woman is much lower when he is jacked/ripped.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I live in central Europe (don't want to be more specific than that). I don't attend any large events anymore (I did when I was in my 20s), always been very introverted and prefer smaller groups and settings. I'm very aware that this is the main reason for my struggle with dating and women, just like I mentioned in my previous post.

I also suck at conversations and small talk. I've blown countless promising encounters with women by opening my mouth. I don't fully understand why, but quite a few times a slightly interested girl has left angry after talking to me for a couple of minutes. I think it's because I'm very straightforward and boring. Also, I'm a bit of an assh*le, and I don't jump through any hoops if one is set for me.

Life has become quite comfortable over the years and I don't stress so much about dating anymore. I've noticed that I'm happiest when I focus on hobbies and career, forget about trying to date and meet escorts instead to fulfill sexual needs.

I live in the USA... But I've been in central Europe for the past couple weeks.

Geneva -> Bern -> Zurich -> Liechtenstein -> Innsbruck -> Salzburg -> Vienna (best city in the world!) -> now I'm in Bratislava

Whenever I travel, I realize how bad the obesity epidemic in the USA is.

 

[Obee1]

I don't see why steroid use is considered negative. It's not negative for the athletes they admire. It's not negative for the stars on screen in their favorite movies. You still have lift a shjt ton of weight on gear. It allows you to lift more weight. I don't see how lifting 280 naturally is more impressive than lifting 380 on gear. 380 is heavier than 280. Get jacked and work on personality/game.

I agree. I don't use them because I haven't needed to. I do blood work once a year. If my T levels plummet below the norm and I felt I've done the right things naturally, I'll seek some sort of TRT. Just like if I went to the eye doctor and my vision was suboptimal, I'd get glasses or contacts. Low T is just as harmful as Extremely high T.

 

[GreatHornedOwl]

The threshold of game that a man needs to seduce a woman is much lower when he is jacked/ripped.

The famous "other guy syndrome".

This other imaginary hypothetical guy that has such an easy time dealing with women. Guess what? That guy is saying the same thing about some other dude.

 

[darksprezzatura]

I am jacked after being obese.
Left me with some stretch marks.
Took me about 3 years to get in shape to lose a hundred pounds and gain muscle.

More opportunities for sex is a great reason to begin working out.

That's what I did.

If that's what gets you up from the couch.

Just don't quit it once you get girl(s).

You would see yourself transforming early, a couple of veins popping up here and there, people noticing you often, girls making eye contact everywhere, friends and family getting shocked.

It'll be a burst of attention. You'll enjoy it initially but you'll get used to it.

As you grind, your personality traits would change, your identity would change and the way you perceive yourself would change.

You would identify yourself as a fit person and naturally take part in more physical activities. Your hormones would be on point. Your mental strength would magnify with all the CNS stimulation you faced. Your confidence would rocket because of a sense of achievement. You'd know when you walk in most places, you'd probably be the most jacked dude there and probably the strongest.

In a few years, when you're disciplined with your food, sleep and workouts, you would have already fallen in love with the process and the thought that you began working out to get laid would feel amusing.

Do it nonetheless.

 

[Obee1]

@Obee1 What's your shoulder routine consist of?

Bench press, overhead presses, and bent rows. Most people look at those and say that's chest, shoulder, back. It's just what works for me but i'll give you my reasoning. I've almost always trained for performance and trained athletes for performance. So I train lifts instead of body parts. If I bench 315 lbs for reps (chest, anterior delts, triceps, lats) then my anterior delts get alot more stimulation then they would if I pumped blood in them with 45 lb front raises. Just like my triceps feel 315 lb and grow better then if I was doing tri pushdowns with 95 lbs. If I overhead press 200 lbs for reps, My delts are using more muscle fiber then doing 40 lb db side raises. If i'm bent rowing 275 lb for reps then my rear delts are activating more fibers then 95 lb cable rows. By the way, as I bent row 275, my biceps are handling 275 lbs as opposed to doing 115 lb curls. There is a time and place for isolating body parts, but 90 % of the time it's for the posers. Injury can be another reason. For me it's about time, efficiency, and biggest bang for the buck. You can work out long or you can work out hard, but it's extremely difficult to workout long and hard. Compound basic movements is where its at for avg everyday dudes especially. Hope this helps.

 

[Velasco]

I am not jacked. Nor ugly. This is a recent photo of me

Yesterday I went clubbing for a bit and was told my this guy that these two chicks were giving me that hungry stare while I was getting myself a drink. If there is any flaw to me it's that after all these years I'm still sht at noticing IOIs. Anyways, I can tell you what someone who is jacked he's results he got. I was his wingman for 3 years so I had direct experience seeing up front whether it was easier because he was jacked. Spoiler: it wasn't. He screwed it up many many times. Not to say he didn't get laid also. And there is this comment of an ugly guy talking from his direct experience what getting jacked did for him

What are some game and seduction techniques for uglier guys?

Hi GC community. I'm an ugly guy and I am having trouble. I know that the main attraction factor is in a guy's looks. A woman is attracted to a guy or not (https://www.girlschase.com/content/attr ... or-it-isnt) and that is set in stone from the outset (https://www.girlschase.com/content/girl...

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In terms of attraction, it's Face Height Frame. Secondary things that can help with this is working on your Looks Money Status.

Getting jacked obvi helps (with face and frame somewhat) but it will not solve 85% of your problems.

 

[allergictobs]

I'm not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just telling you that social intelligence is what dictates how well you do with women. That is the bottom line.

This is not understood well enough, especially on this forum. I've often wondered about the reasons, and I think evolutionarily they are clear:

What types of men have always done well with women over 1000s of years? Those with power. Power can be physical (muscles, martial art skills) or social (influence, persuasion, leadership). In the earliest days of men, before proper tribes and civilizations, physical power ruled. After organized human structures became the norm, social power started to become more important. After all, an influential leader can command hundreds of muscular men to protect himself and his offspring.

I also have a theory (my own speculation) that there are subsets of people with different sexual selection strategies regarding power. Some women, for example, have more genetic material from "lower class" people who did not occupy high positions in society and had to rely more on physical power for protection. Those women likely place more emphasis on muscular physique on a guy. Some women, on the other hand, are more direct descendants of people who held high positions in societies and got there either by social manipulation or raw intelligence. Those women might value social intelligence even more.

It's very interesting to think about these things.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Personality is rarely mentioned on this site. But it's the most important thing.

And I'm not claiming to know what a "good" personality is. It's too nuanced of a topic to discuss in a simple way.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Right now I'm on a nut based diet, I also swim and hit gym both regularly, I was doing this swim and gym routine well before I adopted this diet, but now I have it I can see the results in the quality of my work out.

The only downside is this diet costs like $15 a day and you can't really buy in bulk since they are natural, I can buy a week in advance.

I should say was doing pool workout before Covid obv been a while just getting back to it now that we're off lockdown