George Sodini/LA Fitness murderer internet diary

[STR8UP]

It has nothing to do with morals, feminism or any of that garbage. FACT: Men are genetically more expendable than women, for the simple reason that you could kill all but a handful of the men on the planet, and still repopulate the earth because we are physically equipped to knock females up left and right. In terms of pure species survival, women are indeed more valuable, and our instincts reflect that.

Its been this way for 1000's of years, before monotheistic religion or any other popular culprit was even around. But if you want to lay blame on people's convictions or social conventions (even though this is Biology 101) knock urself out.

So what you are saying is that it is "noble" for an individual man to place the well being of any given female over and above his own?

Being intelligent and recognizing agendas that counter your own safety and security will allow you to avoid becoming cannon fodder for society.

Or you can throw up your hands and say "'F' it....I'm a man.....I'm supposed to be expendable!"

The choice is yours.

 

[speakeasy]

Maybe the government could start setting up arranged wives for people like George and me, attractive women who are paid by the government to serve as wives for men who don't have much value to offer, but who deserve to have their desires met just like everyone else. I can dream anyway.

:crackup: Tell me you are joking here!?!

 

[Ace of Dubs]

So what you are saying is that it is "noble" for an individual man to place the well being of any given female over and above his own?

I'm not sure how you interpreted nobility in my post, but to clarify once again - morals, convictions and integrity has nothing to do with it. We are talking about purely biological instincts here - impulses which nature has programmed at the core of our DNA to protect and propagate the species.

Being intelligent and recognizing agendas that counter your own safety and security will allow you to avoid becoming cannon fodder for society.

I wholeheartedly agree. In fact I'd take it a step further and say that often times the mere awareness of a threat is not enough and we must take arms (physical or psychological) to combat ignorance or intolerance which is aimed to weaken or destroy us. So you have my support (and then some) in what you are saying.

However in strategic terms it's not effect to perceive threats where there are none - its a waste of personal resources best used in other battles.

In this case you try to paint Feminism as responsible for two things

1. Creating a society where a man kills women out of frustration. You dont have to be a history buff to realize that men have done this and MUCH worse to their peers long before feminism was queefed into existence. Killers will be killers, regardless of social climate or scapegoat of the month.

2. Valuing women over men in the press of this incident by not using the word "people". For starters, the guy did not kill "people", that would imply mixed gender - his targets were all women, so reporters are accurate in this assessment. But even if that were not the case, as I pointed out we are definitely programmed to perceive women's lives as more valuable, not by media or feminists, but by nature/instinct.

Or you can throw up your hands and say "'F' it....I'm a man.....I'm supposed to be expendable!"

If men on some level did not perceive themselves as expendable then we would not take the necessary risks to build our kingdoms. If we played it safe and valued our precious little lives so much, then discoveries would not be made, trade/travel would never have taken off, wars against tyranny would never happen and the human race would not advance.

Just looking at our physiology confirms this

MEN
• More muscle mass
• More stamina/strength
• More testosterone
• Logic over emotions

verdict = Warrior, equipped to put himself in perils path for the survival of family and tribe

WOMEN
• Softer physique
• Physically weaker
• More estrogen
• Emotions over logic

verdict = Home-maker, equipped to care for future generations under the security of warriors/providers.

Nature depends on our expendability to ensure the continued success of mankind. If we don't say 'F' it, then we will never take our chances. You have to break some eggs to make omelets and men, for better or worse, are the shell that must occasionally be cracked.

Now, if you want to talk about how most guys can't seduce their way out of a paper bag these days, and most girls are promiscuous sluts thanks to feminism and the media machine, then yeah - I'd be a fool not to agree.

 

[Luthor Rex]

This guy had plenty of money, there's no reason he couldn't have gone for counseling, gone on all kinds of boot camps, hire escorts.

But he didn't. He had plenty of opportunities to make choices. He could have done any number of things to improve himself, but he didn't.

He could have paid for a matchmaking service, but he didn't. He could have bought himself a southeast Asian wife, but he didn't.

He probably never thought to do it. There were a couple key phrases in his blog that got repeated:

"This type of life I see is a closed world with me specifically and totally excluded."

"what bothers me most is the inability to work towards whatever change I choose. "

"No matter how many changes I try to make, things stay the same."

"I know I will never enjoy life. This is an over 30 year trend."

"I can talk and joke around and sound happy but under it all is something different that seems unchangable and a permanent part of my being."

I'm sure I could pull more out but that's enough for now. It sounds like this guy literally believed that his life could never change no matter what he did.

That kind of world view is sometimes called "learned helplessness" and here is the article from Wikipedia:

Apart from the shared depression symptoms between human and other animals such as passivity, introjected hostility, weight loss, appetite loss, social and sexual deficits, some of the diagnostic symptoms of learned helplessness—including depressed mood, feelings of worthlessness, and suicidal ideation—can be found and observed in human beings but not necessarily in animals...

People with pessimistic explanatory style—which sees negative events as permanent ("it will never change"), personal ("it's my fault"), and pervasive ("I can't do anything correctly")—are most likely to suffer from learned helplessness and depression (Peterson, Maier, & Seligman 1993). Cognitive behavioral therapy, heavily endorsed by Seligman, can help people to learn more realistic explanatory styles, and can help ease depression...

Another example of learned helplessness in social settings involves loneliness and shyness. Those who are extremely shy, passive, anxious and depressed may learn helplessness to offer stable explanations for unpleasant social experiences. However, Gotlib and Beatty (1985) found that people who cite helplessness in social settings may be viewed poorly by others, resulting in a situation that reinforces the problematic thinking. A third example is aging, with the elderly learning to be helpless and concluding that they have no control over losing their friends and family members, losing their jobs and incomes, getting old, weak and so on (Rodin, 1986).

 

[LonesomeLoser]

:crackup: Tell me you are joking here!?!

I'm 100% serious, even though I know it will never happen.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Moralists take note- this is what your "higher ground" teachings result in

Go read "the Fountainhead" and STFU.

"I have come here to say that I do not recognize anyone's right to one minute of my life.... It had to be said. The world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrificing."

"It stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there's someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master."

 

[STR8UP]

I'm not sure how you interpreted nobility in my post, but to clarify once again - morals, convictions and integrity has nothing to do with it. We are talking about purely biological instincts here - impulses which nature has programmed at the core of our DNA to protect and propagate the species.

In this respect I agree.

In this case you try to paint Feminism as responsible for two things

1. Creating a society where a man kills women out of frustration. You dont have to be a history buff to realize that men have done this and MUCH worse to their peers long before feminism was queefed into existence. Killers will be killers, regardless of social climate or scapegoat of the month.

This is assuming a big "what if". We don't know everything about this man, but from what I read it sounded to me like the culture we live in had a lot to do with his mental state, and you could probably tie a good chunk of it right back to feminism, and especially the de facto polygyny that is becoming more and more common with the liberalization of women.

For starters, the guy did not kill "people", that would imply mixed gender - his targets were all women, so reporters are accurate in this assessment. But even if that were not the case, as I pointed out we are definitely programmed to perceive women's lives as more valuable, not by media or feminists, but by nature/instinct.

All you have to do is reverse the gender to see the hypocrisy. Have you ever heard the term "killing innocent men"?

The problem here is not that men ARE more expendable, it is that men themselves are parroting phrases such as "innocent women", implying that if it were a man, the man would not be innocent.

This is the hold that the matrix has on men; they don't even realize that they devalue THEMSELVES as individuals.

If men on some level did not perceive themselves as expendable then we would not take the necessary risks to build our kingdoms. If we played it safe and valued our precious little lives so much, then discoveries would not be made, trade/travel would never have taken off, wars against tyranny would never happen and the human race would not advance.

I see where you are going with this, but it's not entirely accurate.

I do not believe that men as individuals see themselves as "expendable".

The nature of men is to take on risks, but these risks are taken in large part to ensure reproductive success with a woman who carries the best possible genes. Now AFTER the fact of passing on his genes, the protective instincts of a man to guard his CHILDREN might cause expandability to be justifiable to an extent, but it is against HIS PERSONAL best interests to fall for the line that he should die for his wife, government, church, etc.

Most men aren't clear about this and blindly follow the rest of the lemmings over the edge of the cliff. THAT is what I have an issue with.

Nature depends on our expendability to ensure the continued success of mankind. If we don't say 'F' it, then we will never take our chances. You have to break some eggs to make omelets and men, for better or worse, are the shell that must occasionally be cracked.

There is no "we" in my book as far as this stuff goes. Thankfully there are plenty of less intelligent men who end up becoming breakfast.

 

[snackwitch]

Anger at this guy for what he did is missplaced anger plain and simple.

wow that was an especially stinking pile of horsesh*t and you are full of sh*t.

dont be angry at me, be angry at sosuave for allowing me to insult you.

 

[snackwitch]

Is it just me or does this guy's journal read like a Stephen King novella... I think I've read at one or two stories that were fiction that sounded similar ... that's eerie.

 

[KontrollerX]

dont be angry at me, be angry at sosuave for allowing me to insult you.

Angry with you?

That'd make about as much sense as being angry with a 55 year old man whose mentally retarded with the maturity of a five year old child for sh!tting himself and drooling all over his shirt.

That man can't help or change the fact that he's mentally impaired.

Its the same with you.

You can't help the fact that you are a non thinking, crowd following, type A personality having, reactionary moron.

Its just in your genetics.

You were born this way.

Sir if anything I pity you.

http://nextlevelgame.net/

There's a forum made specifically for people like you.

If you need detailed instructions on how to click a link so that you can go there just let me know.

 

[Son of anarchy]

As i said many times nature work in a certain way and when society,politics or other forces try to change the natural way,the system collapse.
When more people than the affordable number overcrow a place they are decimated from disease or lack of food till the environmente goes back the way that nature want it.
Same for society,girls decided that they dont need anymore a man for nothing and can treat them as trash just for pump their egos? well just wait a couple of decades and some more mr Soldini and the women will need men back,but this time for defence and they will restart spread their legs in exchange of protection instead of getting even more power.

Wheter people like it or not the dinamic between men and women is one,and if someone try to screw it than he/she is screwed from nature.
It's not a matter or girls here,its just a matter of nature.

 

[FairShake]

Some people really need to check themselves on this thread. Really, talk to somebody because you are sounding just like this guy did.

If you can rationalize the deaths of innocent people because it fits your political view you are a terrorist.

 

[Duffdog]

Some people really need to check themselves on this thread. Really, talk to somebody because you are sounding just like this guy did.

If you can rationalize the deaths of innocent people because it fits your political view you are a terrorist.

Everyone is a terrorist to somebody, it just depends who you are talking to. I'm sure that several people consider you a terrorist for making that statement.

 

[Darth]

This man SHOT AND KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE as some kind of twisted revenge. That he overcame his conscience and found the "strength" to do this is not bravery.

Anyone trying to defend this murderer is a complete and total moron.

 

[FairShake]

Everyone is a terrorist to somebody, it just depends who you are talking to. I'm sure that several people consider you a terrorist for making that statement.

No, not everyone is a terrorist. The opinion of terrorism is fluid but not THAT fluid. It has to involve political violence.

Anyone that would call me a terrorist for that statement is a window-licking moron.

 

[snackwitch]

This man SHOT AND KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE as some kind of twisted revenge. That he overcame his conscience and found the "strength" to do this is not bravery.

Anyone trying to defend this murderer is a complete and total moron.

I agree. The arguments to defend this guy are full of moral relativistic hogwash. A lot of serial killers play the victim and blame society, look at Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer.

A lot of people in the United States have a ridiculous sense of entitlement. People die of starvation and diseases throughout the world everyday. Some people will never touch a computer, use a phone, or even use a sitdown toilet. Is that fair? no.

Is life fair? No. A man gets some perspective, loses the ego, grows a backbone and learns to deal with his problems instead of lashing out. And the surprising fact was that he was that old, you would think by that age he could have figured out better ways to deal with his problems.

 

[LonesomeLoser]

And the surprising fact was that he was that old, you would think by that age he could have figured out better ways to deal with his problems.

Well I'm not as old as he was, I'm 36. But I'm still pretty much the same person I was 20 years ago in high school. That's because I avoid new experiences as much as possible. I've come to see life as a pointless waste of time, and so I feel no obligation to try to accomplish anything, grow, add value to anyone's life, even my own. Just fly under the radar of life and hope it remains relatively uneventful until I can finally die and not have to do anything anymore. That's how I thought 20 years ago in high school and thats how I think now. If George had as little social interaction as he claims, then its perfectly reasonable that he would have no change in his attitudes over the years.

I'm not condoning what he did, I have no opinion about it one way or another. He didn't hurt me or anyone that I might need for something, so it has no meaning to me. I'm only saying that I can relate to the hurt he was experiencing, I am a loner and considered inferior by society so I know what he was going through.

 

[Rogue]

A few nights ago I was sitting at the bar of a TGI Fridays and the guy next to me really creeped me out.

It was about 12:45am and I was typing on my iPhone when he said something along the lines of "What a-hole is calling you this late?" I looked blankly. After I clarified what I was doing, a few moments passed. He then asked, very irritated and perturbed, if I ever encounter anyone in a group situation who I would want to "KILL." I instantly recalled a passage in the 48 laws of power about knowing who you're dealing with--do not offend the wrong person; of the individual who is "the arrogant and proud man." He then pointed over to a gregarious black dude chatting up a few ladies. He fumed over "that guy just won't shut up." I should also make the observation he was dressed very plain and tacky and the black dude was probably cool.

I have a degree in criminal profiling and these guys fit the same typology as George Sordoni and Edmund Kemper (70's serial killer), and the never identified Zodiac killer. Although appearing plain and unassuming, they are full of rage stemming from being full of pride and a false sense of entitlement. They will lash out at you for the slightest perceived sleight.

You can look weird and gothic but be normal under the hood and be a smash hit with the ladies, but look normal and be weird underneath and you will be a frustrated creep. I normally shake people's hands but for this guy I just got up and left. 

 

[Darth]

I'm not condoning what he did, I have no opinion about it one way or another. He didn't hurt me or anyone that I might need for something, so it has no meaning to me.

?????????

 

[Rogue]

I'm only saying that I can relate to the hurt he was experiencing, I am a loner and considered inferior by society so I know what he was going through.

I also am a loner but I have a completely different attitude.