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Embers84 said:
Now you accuse me of being somebody else? Like you haven't accused other posters of that before to attack them.
ATTACK!!!

You're right what was I thinking? rascal99v another leftoid nimrod who posted walls and walls of sh!tlib gibberish just like you. Who used all the sh!tlib buzzwords right down to the word "rightwinger" just like you. Who also peppered his posts with gay smiley faces in a lame attempt to sell his non-point just like you. Was sympathetic to the plight of the poor fembots and non-whites and their evil white boogeymen oppressors just like you and who also stopped posting right about the same time you started. What a wacky coincidence :crazy:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Name calling, seriously? If you aren't cutting and pasting viewpoints of other people to prove your point, the best that you can do is name calling? And people are supposed to take you seriously? Are you supposed to be a representation of the need for equality and the best you can do call someone a name? Wow, just wow... I'd like to see how well you'd present your case to a City Council. Hope they'd have a fast Internet connection.
Look, you asked for information and an example. You claimed I was avoiding your questions. I proved your propaganda wrong. What more do you want? Instead of admitting you were wrong, you are avoiding it accusing me again being a troll.



Francisco d'Anconia said:
Answer my question to give an example of exactly where these people had a peaceful protest with people who can actually change the system like a city council.
Francisco d'Anconia said:
Answer my question to give an example of exactly where these people had a peaceful protest with people who can actually change the system like a city council.

OAKLAND POLICE, RESIDENTS DISCUSS PROTESTS AT PUBLIC FORUM

http://abc7news.com/news/oakland-police-residents-discuss-recent-protests/490129/

Sunday, January 25, 2015

OAKLAND, Calif. (KGO) --At a rare weekend city council meeting in Oakland, no legislation was passed and there was no agenda. But there was a public forum that allowed residents, city officials, and police to talk about recent protests and tensions.

At the center of the conversation -- the difficult relationship between some Oakland communities and the police department. Something the police chief acknowledged, but said the department has changed.

"The Oakland Police Department of 2015 is not the Oakland Police Department of the 1960's, it's not the Oakland Police Department that I joined over 20 years ago, and it's not even the Oakland Police Department of Occupy Oakland," said OPD Chief Sean Whent.

Oakland city council meetings often have unique moments. At Saturday's meeting, there were two. The first centered around a group called the "Black Friday 14." They chained themselves together in protest on a BART platform the day after Thanksgiving, stopping service for two hours, and are now facing charges.

The second moment came as Karissa Lewis spoke. She is one of the 14 people who were arrested by BART police during that Black Friday protest. She also organized an early morning demonstration outside Mayor Libby Schaaf's house this week.

"We weren't able to meet with her when we came to city hall that Friday, so we chose to go wake her up," said Lewis.

The mayor closed out that session.

"I want to appreciate that our Chief of Police acknowledged the wrongs, the harm, and the hurt that has been done to this community by bad police actions," she said.

She had been in Washington DC this week and returned for the meeting in Oakland.

Here is the example you wanted. What's your problem? You were wrong.







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ATTACK!!!

You're right what was I thinking? rascal99v another leftoid nimrod who posted walls and walls of sh!tlib gibberish just like you. Who used all the sh!tlib buzzwords right down to the word "rightwinger" just like you. Who also peppered his posts with gay smiley faces in a lame attempt to sell his non-point just like you. Was sympathetic to the plight of the poor fembots and their evil white boogeymen just like you and who also stopped posting right about the same time you started. What a wacky coincidence :crazy:
You and others use right wing buzzwords saying "sh!tlib" etc, so should I accuse you of being them too? All I'm speaking out against is racism here just like 2 moderators and one who is a cop who are both white. You use gay smiley faces. I just used the crack up guy. I see other people using them too in this forum. Ae you going to claim everybody is the same? Get over it, you're just mad your lies that you parrot have been exposed.




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Wow...just wow

Francisco d'Anconia said:
Wow, just wow
This is your "go to" word to insult people. Should I accuse you of being Francisco d'Anconia?

You're a troll attacking people who disagree with you anyway you can to make them look bad here. Funny thing is you make yourself look like a dumbass each time.
 

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Embers84 said:
Look, you asked for information and an example. You claimed I was avoiding your questions. I proved your propaganda wrong. What more do you want? Instead of admitting you were wrong, you are avoiding it accusing me again.
Well what is a person supposed to think when you avoided answering the question for so long by diverting the topic? Was it really that difficult to find an example? Besides, I could have made it extremely difficult by asking you to provide an example in Ferguson. But I didn't and I'll take your Oakland example even though it was from four months ago.
 

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Let's hear it.
Just getting off work, sorry about the delay and verbal crap that has been posted so far from others.

Baltimore is an utter and complete hell hole. "Charm City" is anything but. There has been a long history of "anti police" even before this entire situation happened. It wasn't Mike Brown, Freddie Gray, Tamir Rice, or anyone else that caused the events that unfolded in Baltimore.

While I do not know exactly what took place on the street that day, I DO know what that area is like, since I work there. Pennsylvania and North Avenue (right where everyone was treated to the site of a CVS and two police vehicles being torched), is a sh*thole. If you need drugs, go there. If you need to be relieved of some extra cash or your life, go there. There is a reason it was part of "Drugs Inc" on National Geographic channel.

The people that "protested" (I use that word loosely, because it was more of an actual march) peacefully did so in various locations that did not make the news.

The actual rioting that took place was planned in advance. It was posted on social media on Sunday (the day before the actual riot.)

Right now, Baltimore is in a state of hell. White people have been getting robbed, assaulted, and killed by blacks in large numbers here for years, but it does not get reported as such. Why? Who knows. I've had several black suspects actually tell me that they did it because the other person was white. Yes, I've dealt with black on black, white on white, black on white, white on black, black on asian, ect, crime. About 20% has been black on white. Another 70% has been black on black. Notice a problem?

Another issue has been cooperation with police. I can't count how many times there will be something going on (fight, assault, robbery, ect) between two (or more) black subjects. The suspects are caught at the scene and the victim states that they don't want to press charges and doesn't want to give any information. Or, they know the person but won't give any info, even after being beaten and robbed of everything. Or, people will be quick to gather around, record, and tell the other person "hey, get low, the cops are coming!" and then saw "I didn't see nothing!"

Combine this with the revolving door of a joke court system (violent felons being released, multiple assault charges and weapons charges being put on a stet docket, ect) the whole area is a joke.

Let's top it off with the "wonderful" job by Fox News on the "white cop shoots unarmed black kid in back at Penn North infront of everyone, who goes after the cops" fiasco, which turned into "guy runs from police because he has a gun and open warrants for violent felonies and tosses gun, causing it to go off when it hits the ground before being arrested and needing to go to the hospital because his feelings are hurt." :rolleyes:

One final thought: ALL LIVES MATTER. Yes, black lives matter. So do white lives. So do asian lives. So do hispanic lives. Blue lives involve all those races and more. 2 more officers were shot and 1 has been confirmed dead since the NY cop, with the other one possibly gone soon. Yet where is the media coverage? Where is the outrage? Let me know when the march for these officers, and the hundreds killed each year are. I'll be there.

Now, feel free to continue your rants about this. Try to clean it up a bit.
 

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The Baltimore Sun had an exclusive investigation of police brutality over the years. It shows the violence towards African Americans in the city at the hands of abusive and racist cops. I included a small portion of the article at the bottom. Click on the link, of "UNDUE FORCE" so you can see how blacks were badly beaten by these cops and their stories behind the beatings. Then you wonder why people are so upset over police brutality in Baltimore.

"UNDUE FORCE"
http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/





Francisco d'Anconia said:
And it's funny that your example is not from any of the cities that are currently rioting but one where they have been working on better public relations for decades. But despite that, there are people who justify criminal acts as a form of "protest." They're just giving trigger happy cops a reason to draw their guns on anyone of color.
What's so funny about it? You demanded an example and I gave you one. I proved you wrong and now you have to claim it isn't good enough. I already told you, city council meetings with citizens and police don't get any press coverage in the media. It's isn't going to be reported as news. If you weren't so lazy, you could do the research to find out where these meetings take place. Call up council members in various cities and ask them yourself about these meetings between the citizens and police. They will tell you they happen in their cities. If a cop kills an African American in Oakland there will be protests there too.

Here's an example right in the hometown it's happening in, Baltimore, MD. Are you going to find fault with this? Well, I proved you wrong again. What do you have to say about this Anaconda? :crackup:



So Many Problems at the Baltimore Police Department

Ed Krayewski Oct. 30, 2014


http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/30/so-many-problems-at-the-baltimore-police

The Baltimore city council held a hearing with the police commissioner, Anthony Batts, and several other high-ranking officials. Council members probed how police officers actually made stops and police brass insisted they expected constitutional policing. The police commanders also said they wanted more cops to handcuff people while stopping them, for safety. Asked about the same people being stopped multiple times by cops, one deputy commissioner called it a "delicate situation," saying he and the other commissioners didn't want cops "to terrorize the citizens."

The meeting came after a Baltimore Sun investigation into the number of lawsuits against police claiming excessive force. Residents also complained about a 30 day rule cops use to keep the property of people they put in jail

Property taken by cops has to be claimed within 30 days or it's forfeited, even if the property owner is being kept in jail or otherwise away from hi things for longer than that. Duane Davis, who was arrested for putting a toilet in front of the local courthouse and regularly films cops, said he's had his cameras taken away that way.

One council member, Warren Branch, relayed in one instance seeing cops enter a man's home and search his refrigerator after detained him, and in another a cop poking a handcuffed man later released.

The Department of Justice says it will investigate the alleged pattern of excessive force used by the Baltimore Police Department, but residents hope other issues are addressed to.

Talking about his experiences having his property seized, Davis told the city council: "The Justice Department is coming now and you'll have to turn the records over to the Justice Department." We'll see.

At the hearing several citizens spoke. Duane “Shorty” Davis, who has been videotaping police stops and protesting regularly for several years since he was jailed in Baltimore County for placing a toilet near the courthouse as an act of political protest, spoke first.

“I’ve been stopped on stop and frisk on numerous occasions,” he said. Police regularly go through his cameras, he said, and take his property. “You’re locked up for 30 days so you can’t get it back,” Davis said. “I’ve been to numerous meetings. You don’t want to talk to us.

Tessa Hill-Aston, president of the Baltimore chapter of the NAACP, asked the council to help change the law that lets police keep property not claimed within a month. Recently a man with mental illness that Hill-Aston says she helped to get housing was arrested—“he didn’t do anything,” she said, “he has a mental illness”—and could not make bail. He spent 30 days in jail, is about to be evicted from his housing, and will lose his car, which the city towed. People have only 30 days to redeem their property, Hill-Aston said. “If they get out on the 30th day they ought to at least be able to get their things,” she said.

Attorney J. Wyndal Gordon, watching from the gallery, advised everyone to turn on the voice memo recorder on their smartphone the minute they see the blue lights behind them. “It’s beautiful,” he said. “Hit that audio button. You don’t even have to tell police that it’s on.”

“This is a war on bad officers,” Gordon said. “It’s time to stop allowing the bad officers to hide behind good officers.”


The Farce of Police Accountability in Big Cities: Baltimore Edition

A three-hour long city council committee hearing on police procedures demonstrates how elusive real police accountability is.


City Paper of Baltimore files a nausea-inducing report on a recent three-plus hour long city council Public Safety committee hearing on police procedures

http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/27/the-farce-of-police-accountability-in-bi


Three-plus hours at the City Council Public Safety Committee hearing on police procedures

http://www.citypaper.com/news/mobto...suspicion-tasers-and-20150127,0,1773116.story




UNDUE FORCE

A Baltimore Sun Investigation on Police Brutality

September 28, 2014


http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/



The city has paid about $5.7 million since 2011 over lawsuits claiming that police officers brazenly beat up alleged suspects. One hidden cost: The perception that officers are violent can poison the relationship between residents and police.

On a cold January afternoon, Jerriel Lyles parked his car in front of the P&J Carry Out on East Monument Street and darted inside to buy some food. After paying for a box of chicken, he noticed a big guy in jeans, a hooded sweatshirt and a baseball cap.

“What’s up?” the man said to Lyles. Others, also dressed in jeans and hoodies, blocked the door to the street — making Lyles fear that he would be robbed. Instead, the man identified himself a police officer, frisked Lyles and demanded he sit on the greasy floor. Lyles objected.

“The officer hit me so hard it felt like his radio was in his hand,” Lyles testified about the 2009 incident, after suing Detective David Greene. “The blow was so heavy. My eyes swelled up. Blood was dripping down my nose and out my eye.”

The Baltimore detective offered a different version of events in court, saying that Lyles’ injuries might have resulted from poking himself in the face. He also couldn’t say why officers stopped Lyles, who was not charged with any crime.

But jurors didn’t buy the officer’s explanation. They ruled in Lyles’ favor, and the court ultimately ordered the city to pay him $200,000, the statutory limit in Maryland for most lawsuits against a municipality.

The beating Lyles received from Baltimore police officers — along with the resulting payout from city funds — is part of a disturbing pattern, a six-month investigation by The Baltimore Sun has found.

Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations.


Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson.

Those cases detail a frightful human toll. Officers have battered dozens of residents who suffered broken bones — jaws, noses, arms, legs, ankles — head trauma, organ failure, and even death, coming during questionable arrests. Some residents were beaten while handcuffed; others were thrown to the pavement.

And in almost every case, prosecutors or judges dismissed the charges against the victims — if charges were filed at all. In an incident that drew headlines recently, charges against a South Baltimore man were dropped after a video showed an officer repeatedly punching him — a beating that led the police commissioner to say he was “shocked.”

Such beatings, in which the victims are most often African-Americans, carry a hefty cost. They can poison relationships between police and the community, limiting cooperation in the fight against crime, the mayor and police officials say.

“These officers taint the whole department when they create these kinds of issues for the city,” said City Council President Bernard C. “Jack” Young. “I’m tired of the lawsuits that cost the city millions of dollars by some of these police officers.”
 

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Embers (and other outrage queens),

The mayor and the city council appoint the Police Commissioner. The Police Commissioner hires/fires manages the Chief of Police. The Chief of Police hires/fires manages the police officers that make up the Police Department.

Voters, citizens and taxpayers get the police force that their elected officials provide for them.

People do not suddenly decide to declare themselves police officers, don the uniform and badge and proceed to beat people up with impunity.

So peddle your short-sighted, faux outrage somewhere else. Elected politicians are accountable for the people they hire, fire and manage to provide the services that voters, citizens and taxpayers elect them to provide.

The cops are doing no more than those who manage them allow them do do. All of your pathetic whining, shucking and jiving cannot change this incontrovertible fact.

So you can cut the crap now.
 
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Right now, Baltimore is in a state of hell. White people have been getting robbed, assaulted, and killed by blacks in large numbers here for years, but it does not get reported as such. Why? Who knows. I've had several black suspects actually tell me that they did it because the other person was white. Yes, I've dealt with black on black, white on white, black on white, white on black, black on asian, ect, crime. About 20% has been black on white. Another 70% has been black on black. Notice a problem?
Yep, I do. I think every rational-minded person in this country notices this problem.

I will say this - I ran some numbers a while back on this site where someone was analyzing the black on white murder rate vs. the white on black. The result was that blacks aren't really racist killers......they are just more violent in general. They have a higher rate of violence pretty much all across all races. So in general, you really can say that the more you associate with black people, the higher your chance of being a victim of violent crime.

I'm sure I'll be called racist, but it's fact.

At the end of the day, I guess my only advice for decent white people (and decent people of all races I should say), is keep your head on a swivel, and carry a gun. It's a shame that our American cities have delved into this, but it is what it is. No sense lying about it.
 

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TheVirtualMind said:
Right now, Baltimore is in a state of hell. White people have been getting robbed, assaulted, and killed by blacks in large numbers here for years, but it does not get reported as such. Why? Who knows. I've had several black suspects actually tell me that they did it because the other person was white. Yes, I've dealt with black on black, white on white, black on white, white on black, black on asian, ect, crime. About 20% has been black on white. Another 70% has been black on black. Notice a problem?

Another issue has been cooperation with police. I can't count how many times there will be something going on (fight, assault, robbery, ect) between two (or more) black subjects. The suspects are caught at the scene and the victim states that they don't want to press charges and doesn't want to give any information. Or, they know the person but won't give any info, even after being beaten and robbed of everything. Or, people will be quick to gather around, record, and tell the other person "hey, get low, the cops are coming!" and then saw "I didn't see nothing!"

Combine this with the revolving door of a joke court system (violent felons being released, multiple assault charges and weapons charges being put on a stet docket, ect) the whole area is a joke.
This is the real problem, not the hoax created over police brutality and non-existent white supremacy, that liberals won't acknowledge and address. They instead condone and encourage the behavior, and want the poor behavior and division to continue and even worsen.
 

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Yep, I do. I think every rational-minded person in this country notices this problem.

I will say this - I ran some numbers a while back on this site where someone was analyzing the black on white murder rate vs. the white on black. The result was that blacks aren't really racist killers......they are just more violent in general. They have a higher rate of violence pretty much all across all races. So in general, you really can say that the more you associate with black people, the higher your chance of being a victim of violent crime.

I'm sure I'll be called racist, but it's fact.

At the end of the day, I guess my only advice for decent white people (and decent people of all races I should say), is keep your head on a swivel, and carry a gun. It's a shame that our American cities have delved into this, but it is what it is. No sense lying about it.
While most of the violent crime isn't interracial, blacks are still racist killers relative to others though, and commit significant amounts of racially motivated violent crime memorial-wall-black-on-white-murders-in-2014/. 412 black on white vs 4 white on black murders is over 100 to 1 ratio. If blacks committed interracial crime at the same rate as others even with their higher crime rate you'd expect the ratio to be closer 4 to 1 black on white. Blacks "lynch" more whites every 5 years than white vigilantes did blacks from 1865-1965. Liberals need to just shut up.
 

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While most of the violent crime isn't interracial, blacks are still racist killers relative to others though, and commit significant amounts of racially motivated violent crime memorial-wall-black-on-white-murders-in-2014/. 412 black on white vs 4 white on black murders is over 100 to 1 ratio. If blacks committed interracial crime at the same rate as others even with their higher crime rate you'd expect the ratio to be closer 4 to 1 black on white. Blacks "lynch" more whites every 5 years than white vigilantes did blacks from 1865-1965. Liberals need to just shut up.
Think you may have misunderstood or I didn't clarify enough. I wish I had the original post, but too lazy to search for it. My calcs said that blacks commit higher violent crime rates than any other race. However, they did not commit higher crime rates against any particular race, including their own. It was essentially the same percentage across the board. So in essence, they ARE the most violent race, but aren't exactly racist offenders in their higher rates of violence.

I don't know their motivation behind the violence, but yes, I would probably agree that a bunch of it is racially motivated. Just no way to quantify that, at least from the stats I gathered. Blacks are more aggressive and emotional in nature, so it all makes sense and is true. Not sure why lib-tards refuse to understand these centuries-old concepts.
 

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Think you may have misunderstood or I didn't clarify enough. I wish I had the original post, but too lazy to search for it. My calcs said that blacks commit higher violent crime rates than any other race. However, they did not commit higher crime rates against any particular race, including their own. It was essentially the same percentage across the board. So in essence, they ARE the most violent race, but aren't exactly racist offenders in their higher rates of violence.
No I completely understand that blacks do not commit more crime against other races than their own. But that doesn't change the fact that they commit a significantly higher interracial crime rate than anyone else even accounting for their higher rate overall. I don't think it's necessary to commit more interracial crime than intraracial crime to be a more racist offender. No group commits more interracial crime but blacks commit the most interracial crime and rate by far even accounting for the fact they commit at a higher crime rate.

If you hear liberals tell it, you'd think whites commit the most interracial crime against blacks when the truth is just the opposite by far. Black interracial crime rate is way higher than their already higher crime rate. This is important because it would mean the difference between maybe 4 whites being murdered by blacks instead of 416 if blacks didn't commit interracial crime at a higher rate. Or looking at it another way instead 4 blacks murdered by whites, if whites were as racial offenders as blacks there'd be at least 200-300 more blacks killed by whites. So just who should be protesting what?

I don't know their motivation behind the violence, but yes, I would probably agree that a bunch of it is racially motivated. Just no way to quantify that, at least from the stats I gathered. Blacks are more aggressive and emotional in nature, so it all makes sense and is true. Not sure why lib-tards refuse to understand these centuries-old concepts.
I agree pretty much but just the fact that more of their victims contain a higher percentage of other races is good enough for me that they're more willing to commit crime against other races and it's racially motivated. If the shoe was on the other foot, liberals would claim that. They already try to claim it when the shoe isn't on the other foot.
 
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If you hear liberals tell it, you'd think whites commit the most interracial crime against blacks when the truth is just the opposite by far.
Yes, and it's an absolute joke. So nonsensical that I'd rather just punch most liberals in the face rather than try to help them. Just idiotic on all levels, complete ignorance of the truth/facts.

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Black interracial crime rate is way higher than their already higher crime rate.
This was my point, that's not really true. The rates are very similar. If you are comparing black rates vs. other races' rates, yes, theirs is higher.

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This is important because it would mean the difference between maybe 16 whites being murdered by blacks vs 416 if they didn't commit interracial crime at a higher rate.
Unfortunately, since we cannot tell the good people from the bad people in certain races outside their appearances, the safe bet is for people to avoid black people. Sounds racist? It is, but it's the easiest way to solve this problem. Sure, there are violent offenders in the other races, but as the numbers bear out, not as many random violent offenders as the black race. That's why you've seen white flight all over the world. People know this, rather they want to believe it or not. Whites, Hispanics, Indians, Asians, Arabs and others assimilate, inter-mix, all over the world and don't have problems outside little stuff, family traditions and all. The black race is the one that does not want to conform, for the most part. The cultural differences are just enormous most of the time.

It's very unfortunate for the good black people. It really is. But is there a better solution?
 
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Yes, and it's an absolute joke. So nonsensical that I'd rather just punch most liberals in the face rather than try to help them. Just idiotic on all levels, complete ignorance of the truth/facts.
Yep but I think liberals intentionally lie and create false narratives and don't want truth/facts.


This was my point, that's not really true. The rates are very similar. If you are comparing black rates vs. other races' rates, yes, theirs is higher.
The statistic I have is blacks commit murder overall at about 4x the rate whites do overall. But the black interracial rate vs other races' interracial rate is much, much higher than their 4x higher rate. Whether the black interracial rate is 10X or 100X higher than other races' interracial rate, that's much higher the 4x higher rate you'd expect. So I'm calling it more racial.

Unfortunately, since we cannot tell the good people from the bad people in certain races outside their appearances, the safe bet is for people to avoid black people. Sounds racist? It is, but it's the easiest way to solve this problem. Sure, there are violent offenders in the other races, but as the numbers bear out, not as many random violent offenders as the black race. That's why you've seen white flight all over the world. People know this, rather they want to believe it or not.

It's very unfortunate for the good black people. It really is. But is there a better solution?
It's no different than if you saw a young white male approaching you vs a female or an old man. You can wisely "profile" a male as a greater danger but not a black or female because the class of blacks or female is put on a pedestal and the class of non-black and male is not. Liberals want you to accept a false narrative that is basically the same as a male and female are equally a violent threat. Additionally, they remove all accountability and responsibility making the problem worse. I believe they WANT to make the problems worse. Accountability and responsibility placed where it belongs instead of blame whitey is a better solution.
 

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speed dawg said:
Think you may have misunderstood or I didn't clarify enough.
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No I completely understand that blacks do not commit more crime...
Interesting seeing the two of you trying to explain your positions to one another. The blind leading the blind.
 

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amoka said:
Interesting seeing the two of you trying to explain your positions to one another. The blind leading the blind.
Nice job cutting and pasting out of context. Not every message someone types is their point clear. And unlike marching in lockstep like liberals demand, not everyone has to agree on everything. It's just the opposite of the blind leading the blind.

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Gray might have ran to stash/dispose of drugs in the building before being arrested. Although the prosecutor alleges Gray was injured somehow in the van, if he were actually injured before being placed in the van as apparently alleged by the van driver he could've possibly fell down stairs running in and out of the building before being detained for all we know.
 
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Amoka - simple question:

Do black people (as a whole) commit more or less violent crime per capita than other races in the United States?
 

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Stagger Lee said:
This is the real problem, not the hoax created over police brutality and non-existent white supremacy, that liberals won't acknowledge and address. They instead condone and encourage the behavior, and want the poor behavior and division to continue and even worsen.
Even more-so it's the people like Embers that have kept incompetent leadership in office for literally decades yet they are so quick to blame the other party.

Now the mayor wants to get the Feds involved since the police are out of control. If she can't patrol her police force, why is she even in office. Oh yeah, it's because people like Embers keep electing incompetents.

And what if the Feds get really involved? Their ultimate solution would be to militarize, have some offshoot of the National Guard permanently assigned to the city. That'll really go over well...
 

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2 more officers were shot and 1 has been confirmed dead since the NY cop, with the other one possibly gone soon. Yet where is the media coverage?
There's been a lot of media coverage. Haven't you see it? The Mets honored the cop at Citi Field the other night.



Mets wear NYPD caps at batting practice to honor slain police officer

http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/05/new-york-mets-nypd-caps-honor-officer-brian-moore



Mets Pay Tribute to Slain NYPD Officer Before Game

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...Officer-Brian-Moore-Citi-Field-302689001.html





Francisco d'Anconia said:
Even more-so it's the people like Embers that have kept incompetent leadership in office for literally decades yet they are so quick to blame the other party.

Oh yeah, it's because people like Embers keep electing incompetents
It's people like Anaconda who voted for incompetent leaders like George W Bush and the GOP who nearly brought us into a Great Depression with their failed economic policies and drug us off to a war in Iraq based on lies. You're also incompetent yourself not knowing how the media works and how local government works with it's citizens and the police. Did you read the how black citizens of Baltimore met with city council and the cops last year trying to stop police brutality to no avail? You were wrong Anaconda.




Tictac said:
Embers (and other outrage queens),

The mayor and the city council appoint the Police Commissioner. The Police Commissioner hires/fires manages the Chief of Police. The Chief of Police hires/fires manages the police officers that make up the Police Department.

Voters, citizens and taxpayers get the police force that their elected officials provide for them.

People do not suddenly decide to declare themselves police officers, don the uniform and badge and proceed to beat people up with impunity.

So peddle your short-sighted, faux outrage somewhere else. Elected politicians are accountable for the people they hire, fire and manage to provide the services that voters, citizens and taxpayers elect them to provide.

The cops are doing no more than those who manage them allow them do do. All of your pathetic whining, shucking and jiving cannot change this incontrovertible fact.

So you can cut the crap now.

Everybody should be outraged over cops beating and murdering it's citizens. But, it appears you don't care about that do you?

Senile old man Tictac can't refrain himself from using racist Sarah Palinesque "shuck and jive" quotes. We know all that old timer, but police chiefs can't control if their officers commit brutal crimes against it's citizens in which they do. The police chiefs are responsible for taking action against them. Many do not and cover up the crimes they do. That is what we are against as well as everybody should be. Tictac lives in his fantasy world where every cop is honorable, all liberals are evil, and republicans can do no wrong. Many citizens who became police officers donned the uniform to become corrupt, taking pay offs and bribes, selling and smuggling drugs, killing people, beating people, and being above the law. Only in Tictac's make believe world of delusion that a cop could never no wrong. Cut the crap.

What do you have to say about this old timer? Do you not believe these reports of police brutality to be true? Are these cops honorable to you beating people and hurting a 87 year old woman who went on to die?


UNDUE FORCE


http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

Eighty-seven-year-old Venus Green heard the scream while rocking on her porch on Poplar Grove Street in West Baltimore’s Walbrook neighborhood.

“Grandma, call the ambulance. I been shot,” she thought she heard her grandson say on that morning in July 2007. As he lumbered closer, she spotted blood from a wound in his leg and called 911.

The retired teacher was used to helping others. Green had moved to Baltimore decades earlier from South Carolina after working at R.J. Reynolds and Westinghouse. Once here, she worked at Fort Meade and earned two degrees at Coppin State University.

The mother of two and grandmother of seven dedicated her career to teaching special-education students, but couldn’t sit still in her retirement years. She had two hobbies: going to church and raising foster kids. Dozens of children funneled through her home. They, like her own grandchildren, called her “Grandma Green.”

Paramedics and police responded to the emergency call, but the white officer became hostile.

“What happened? Who shot you?” Green recalled the officer saying to her grandson, according to an 11-page letter in which she detailed the incident for her lawyer. Excerpts from the letter were included in her lawsuit. “You’re lying. You know you were shot inside that house. We ain’t going to help you because you are lying.”

“Mister, he isn’t lying,” replied Green, who had no criminal record. “He came from down that way running, calling me to call the ambulance.”

The officer, who is not identified in the lawsuit, wanted to go into the basement, but Green demanded a warrant. Her grandson kept two dogs downstairs and she feared they would attack. The officer unhooked the lock, but Green latched it.

He shoved Green against the wall. She hit the wooden floor.

“B!tch, you ain’t no better than any of the other old black b!tches I have locked up,” Green recalled the officer saying as he stood over her. “He pulled me up, pushed me in the dining room over the couch, put his knees in my back, twisted my arms and wrist and put handcuffs on my hands and threw me face down on the couch.”

After pulling Green to her feet, the officer told her she was under arrest. Green complained of pain.

“My neck and shoulder are hurting,” Green told him. “Please take these handcuffs off.”

An African-American officer then walked in the house, saw her sobbing and asked that the handcuffs be removed since Green wasn’t violent.

The cuffs came off, and Green didn’t face any charges. But a broken shoulder tormented her for months.

“I am here because of injuries received to my body by a police officer,” Green wrote on stationery stamped with “wish on a star” at the bottom of each page. “I am suffering with pain and at night I can hardly sleep since this incident occurred.”

In June 2010, she sued the officers; an April 2012 settlement required the city to pay her $95,000.

Green died six weeks later of natural causes

http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

UNDUE FORCE

Starr Brown, an East Baltimore woman who reached a settlement agreement, wanted to talk about her arrest — an encounter with police that left the pregnant accountant face down, bleeding and bruised, on the sidewalk. (Her baby was unhurt.)

But Brown, a Morgan State University graduate, said the clause prevented her from sharing details, so the events of Sept. 18, 2009, can only be reconstructed from court transcripts.

Returning home with her young daughter as the sun set, Brown was on the front steps of her brick house when she spotted two girls walking along North Luzerne Avenue.

Suddenly, a group of about 20 girls came from the other direction and attacked the two girls.

Brown, who went into her house to avoid the fighting, watched the beating through a window. Other neighbors called 911, but by the time officers Karen Crisafulli and Andrew Galletti arrived, the attackers had fled.

Brown, who was then 26, could hear the officers yelling at the victims and came outside to urge the officers to chase the girls who had fled. An argument started, and Galletti lunged at her, she later testified in court.

She grabbed the iron railing, but Galletti wrapped his arm around her neck. She said she screamed that she was pregnant, but Galletti responded, “[We] hear it all the time.”

“He comes and grabs my arms,” Brown, who had no criminal record, testified. “He’s like, ‘You’re getting arrested. You’re coming with me.’”

“They slammed me down on my face,” Brown added, her voice cracking. “The skin was gone on my face. ...

“I was tossed like a rag doll. He had his knee on my back and neck. She had her knee on my back trying to put handcuffs on me.”


The officers arrested her for obstruction, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and assault. She fought the charges in District Court in March 2010.

The officers minimized the incident and Brown’s injuries, telling the judge that her screams drew a crowd and she refused to go back in her house. Crisafulli said Brown hit the ground after letting go of the railing.

“It was like a sling shot,” Crisafulli testified. “The resistance stopped. We all fell off the porch.”

Brown then kicked and flailed, Crisafulli added, noting that bystanders told the officers that Brown was pregnant. Crisafulli said Brown scratched her with fingernails; Galletti said Brown bit his arm and knuckle.

But the testimony of two witnesses confirmed Brown’s version of events.

“Mrs. Brown was standing up in her doorway,” said neighbor Ruby Lee. “They threw her to the ground, and [Galletti] put his knee in her back.”

The judge acquitted Brown of all criminal charges. She sued in April 2010 and settled the case in March 2011 for $125,000.

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-allentown-police-officer-brutality-hearing-20150506-story.html


I guess old Tictac still believes that no cops who don the police uniform beats it's citizens for no reason.
 

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Tictac said:
People do not suddenly decide to declare themselves police officers, don the uniform and badge and proceed to beat people up with impunity.
Sure about that old timer? Look at that evil looking S.O.B. cop in the link who beat that man senseless for NO reason. Read this article and then come back and say that cops don't proceed to beat people up with impunity. Quit being an idiot.


Two Philly cops charged with brutality; video shows man being struck, beaten

http://articles.philly.com/2015-02-07/news/58881522_1_two-officers-fairhill-ramsey

The day after Najee Rivera was arrested a year and a half ago, his girlfriend went to North Philadelphia's 25th Police District and saw his bloodied and broken face - his orbital bone fractured, an eye swollen shut, his face sewn up with stitches and staples.

Sitting next to him Thursday night, Dina Scannapieco of South Philadelphia said she had asked the dazed, 23-year-old Rivera where he had been arrested.

"As soon as I picked him up, we went right over there," Scannapieco said. He was in a hospital gown covered in blood.

Eventually the couple made it to the 2700 block of North Sixth Street, where he had been arrested the night before - and where two officers were saying Rivera had thrown one of them into a brick wall.

The two, she said, saw where he was arrested.

"You seen all his blood all over the pavement," she said.

It was an aftermath of an arrest on May 29, 2013, that was allegedly so violent that District Attorney Seth Williams on Thursday charged two Philadelphia police officers with aggravated assault, conspiracy and related crimes.

After seeing the blood, Scannapieco began asking questions.

She eventually found surveillance video, at a barber shop-auto detailing business on the block, that would exonerate Rivera and lead to the arrest of the officers who prosecutors say beat him without provocation and then falsely arrested him.

"This type of behavior has absolutely no place in our city, and I will prosecute these two officers to the fullest extent of the law," Williams said.

The accused officers, Kevin Robinson and Sean McKnight, turned themselves in to police Thursday.

Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey suspended the officers with intent to dismiss. Before the video of their arrest of Rivera surfaced, the officers' account of what happened had been accepted as fact, Ramsey said.

In hindsight, Ramsey said, the department should have canvassed the area - a step typically taken only when an Internal Affairs complaint has been filed. The department may now review whether it should further investigate arrests that result in injuries, he said.

Ramsey said he pulled Robinson and McKnight from the street after the video was brought to his attention.

In August 2013, as the case shifted focus toward Robinson and McKnight, the charges against Rivera were dropped.

The two officers had told detectives that they had tried to stop Rivera for running a stop sign on his scooter near Seventh and Cambria Streets in Fairhill.

They said Rivera fled when they exited their patrol car. About 10 minutes later, they said, they saw Rivera lose control of his scooter and fall from the bike several blocks away, on North Sixth.

They told investigators that when they caught up with Rivera, he slammed Robinson against a brick wall, "threw elbows" at him, and tried to pull McKnight's baton from his hand.

Those statements, a grand jury decided, were almost entirely false.

The officers did pull Rivera over that night, Williams said Thursday, but he became frightened and fled when they got out of the car with batons in hand.

The officers gave chase, Williams said, but never turned on their lights or sirens.

On the 2700 block of North Sixth, the surveillance camera caught them knocking Rivera from his scooter, then grabbing and hitting him with fists and batons.

The security camera, the grand jury wrote, picked up his agonized screams.

"Although he was moving around on the ground while being struck, he was not resisting the officers or engaging in any aggressive act," the grand jury said.

Rivera was eventually taken to Episcopal Hospital, Williams said, and while he lay in a hospital bed, McKnight and Robinson filed paperwork and gave statements that led to Rivera's arrest on charges of assault and resisting arrest.

Williams said that Rivera had a juvenile record, but that his encounter with McKnight and Robinson was his first arrest as an adult.

"Even if he had been the devil himself, they could not have done what they did to him," Williams said.

Ramsey said McKnight and Robinson "do not represent the majority" of the 6,500 officers on the force.

"But I cannot stand here and say I've got 6,500 police officers that always operate within the framework of the law, within the framework of department policy," he said. "We've got to root them out."

Additional charges against the officers include recklessly endangering another person, tampering with public records or information, false reports to law enforcement authorities, obstructing administration of law, and official oppression.

John McNesby, president of Lodge 5 of the Fraternal Order of Police, could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Rivera filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against the city Jan. 21. His lawyer, Leo M. Flynn, said the city had already agreed to pay a settlement. Williams said Rivera had settled with the city for $200,000.

Rivera has struggled to move on since.

"I feel like I ain't the same person," he said Thursday night. He suffers from migraines and is forgetful, and his vision is not what it used to be, he says.

"Every time I get next to a cop or a cop is behind me, I get a little panic attack," he said. "And it's sad, because every cop ain't bad."

He said he lost his housekeeping job at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia after the arrest and has not worked since.

Flynn said that without the video, Rivera would have had little chance challenging the testimony of two police officers.

In 2012, Robinson was named a defendant in a lawsuit that alleged he had beaten Darren Trammell, 28, during a trumped-up arrest. Trammell suffered a fractured orbital bone, lacerations, and other injuries, the suit said.

A day after his arrest, Tramell reported the incident to Internal Affairs, which cleared Robinson.

Tramell was eventually cleared of the criminal charges against him. The city settled the case in December for $125,000, according to his lawyer, Andrew D. Swain.

Public Defender Bradley S. Bridge said that because of the criminal charges against Robinson and McKnight, his office will begin reviewing the arrests they made in the past. Since 1995, his office has persuaded judges to overturn more than 500 criminal cases involving Philadelphia police officers who were later arrested on corruption charges.

Ramsey told reporters Thursday that the incident was "a bad case - no doubt about it," but he said the officers' conduct did not mean "every case is tainted."

The charges against Robinson and McKnight come one day after two former police officers were sentenced to prison for corruption, one of them for 17 years.

"It has not been easy for our department this week," Ramsey said.

Still, he said, "every one of these people who get removed from our department brings us a step closer to having the kind of police department that people in this city deserves."
Police brutality exists Tictac....Don't deny it.
 

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