You are just the same as these right wingers. It's nearly impossible to have a conversation with you when you ignore what I say, and add your biased opinions claiming that's what I stated when I never did. I explained to you twice already that the whole point of the protest, was NOT to cause any violence or destruction. You keep claiming it was using that as your talking point like the rest of the right wing media. A few people ruined a good thing and that is not their fault when others chose to. You have no clue what the protest was about, what our history was about, or how the media and our government works. The right wing propaganda fills your empty head and you parrot misinformation with the rest of the sheep who has their "news" spoon fed to them.
Francisco d'Anconia said:
I didn't imply anything. I said straight away that it would be more effective to go to the people who can actually change the system. How does looting and burning homes help? We might as come to your house and have a picnic.
Francisco d'Anconia said:
Marching on a police station won't do a thing, marching on a highway during rush hour won't do anything, having a "die-in" at a mall won't do anything, walking into restaurants and disturbing guests won't do anything. Yet, these are the places where most people meet "to be heard."
It's almost as if they don't really want anything to change.
Right here, you are implying that protesting and making your position known by the mass is a waste of time. Like I said and posted with a link, it's fine for the Tea Party who are mostly whites, to protest over what they disagree with and to be arrested causing disorderly conduct, but if blacks and liberals do it they are thugs.
Blacks have already gone to the system for years, and nothing has happened to stop police brutality. Ever since Rodney King got beat up this has been a big problem in cities across America. Nothing has changed since then well over 20 years.
Again, you are not listening and have trouble comprehending. The point of the protest was NOT to loot and burn homes like your right wing media is pushing. It was to gather citizens of the community in a peaceful protest to speak out against police brutality in mass to make people aware of what's going on. Nobody across the country is going to know that folks went to city hall to object over police brutality. Nobody in the media is going to cover that. The media did not bother to cover the protests in Baltimore when it was peaceful. They only decided to cover it when a few individuals turned it violent to attack blacks and Liberals. The point was to make people aware of police brutality, not to loot and burn homes. and you are too damn dumb not to understand that. Citizens having a meeting with police officials isn't going to help, when the cops refuse to change.
Francisco d'Anconia said:
The thing is that people like you who continuously change the subject by having such a narrow point of understanding. By not answering a simple question like providing information of when protestors actually engaged people who could change the system like a City Council or the Mayor of a city just detracts from the message we think you're trying to convey. It seems like the only reason that you couldn't provide an example of this is if it has never happened. Good enough reason for you to continuously avoid the question don't you think? That's what it looks like.
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You're the one changing the subject, ignoring what I'm telling you, twisting around what I'm saying to parrot propaganda with your biased position. City Councils do have meetings all the time to discuss issues in the community. The mainstream media does not report it because it isn't important. If they do show it, their local cable access channel will show it. Nobody watches that channel so nobody is going to know. It will rarely be shown on the local news when they hold those meetings. If a meeting is held in Philadelphia, people in Chicago will have no clue such a meeting is taking place. I'm not avoiding anything, if it's so important to you, why don't you search to see that these meetings are taking place?
Here's a good example of meeting that took place that happened in January. Did you ever hear about it happening? No you didn't, because it wasn't important to get big news coverage. So, the people of Oakland talked to the police of Oakland in a meeting over police brutality. The citizens went directly to the source. What has changed after that meeting? Not a damn thing. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Instead you accuse me of not answering questions and not providing information. If you weren't so lazy, you can do the research to find this stuff out yourself. You don't want to do it because you would get the facts and know the truth, and that destroys the propaganda you still believe in.
OAKLAND POLICE, RESIDENTS DISCUSS PROTESTS AT PUBLIC FORUM
http://abc7news.com/news/oakland-police-residents-discuss-recent-protests/490129/
Sunday, January 25, 2015
OAKLAND, Calif. (KGO) --
At a rare weekend city council meeting in Oakland, no legislation was passed and there was no agenda.
But there was a public forum that allowed residents, city officials, and police to talk about recent protests and tensions.
At the center of the conversation -- the difficult relationship between some Oakland communities and the police department. Something the police chief acknowledged, but said the department has changed.
"The Oakland Police Department of 2015 is not the Oakland Police Department of the 1960's, it's not the Oakland Police Department that I joined over 20 years ago, and it's not even the Oakland Police Department of Occupy Oakland," said OPD Chief Sean Whent.
Oakland city council meetings often have unique moments. At Saturday's meeting, there were two. The first centered around a group called the "Black Friday 14." They chained themselves together in protest on a BART platform the day after Thanksgiving, stopping service for two hours, and are now facing charges.
The second moment came as Karissa Lewis spoke. She is one of the 14 people who were arrested by BART police during that Black Friday protest. She also organized an early morning demonstration outside Mayor Libby Schaaf's house this week.
"We weren't able to meet with her when we came to city hall that Friday, so we chose to go wake her up," said Lewis.
The mayor closed out that session.
"I want to appreciate that our Chief of Police acknowledged the wrongs, the harm, and the hurt that has been done to this community by bad police actions," she said.
She had been in Washington DC this week and returned for the meeting in Oakland.
What do you have to say about that Anaconda?
Francisco d'Anconia said:
I can't tell if your capacity to understand how the government works is severely lacking.
You're comprehension skills, your knowledge of the media and the government is severely lacking. There is always going to be troublemakers when a protest occurs. Right wingers get arrested at their protests but you guys have no problem with that. The protest was designed to be peaceful, not violent like you are claiming with your ignorant lacking knowledge of what the intended purpose was.
Francisco d'Anconia said:
When the true civil rights activists wanted to change something they went to the source. When they wanted to integrate diners, they went to diners and staged sit-ins, they didn't go to a mechanics shop and burn it to the ground. When they wanted the right to vote, they went to the lawmakers in Washington, they didn't start robbing and looting their local department stores. Criminals do that.
Civil Rights activist got killed, beat up, maimed, and arrested by the racist cops for doing those things. That's why they had peaceful protests and marches with Dr. Martin Luther King and civil right activists both white and black to get people to join the cause and get their message out. They certainly wouldn't get civil rights accomplished going to the racist cops of the cities having a meeting, when the racist cops didn't give a sh1t. Just the same as the police brutality today. Again, you show your ignorance not knowing what you're talking about. A small portion of people looted in Baltimore and it was wrong. But the right wing media, and you focus only on that assuming that was the whole point of the protest. It was not, it was suppose to be peaceful like with Dr. King, and some people decided to ruin it. That is NOT the fault of the majority of protesters who had good intentions, and you're parroting your right wing propaganda being ignorant with the rest of them.
Francisco d'Anconia said:
The actions of these loose cannons are embarrassing an entire race
Look at who you are supporting and their methods
You can say the same for right wing Republicans who are disgracing what the GOP is supposed to be with loose cannon right wing extreme Tea Party nuts.
Nothing you're saying here has any merit whatsoever. Just incoherent right wing propaganda rambling designed to attack blacks, liberals and me as well. Have a party some time, and if a couple of your drunk guests ruins the party is it your fault or the other people there? I'm assuming you would say no. So, why would you attack the good citizens of Baltimore who were trying to do the right thing when a few thugs ruined it. You're attacking the peaceful protest and blacks as a group to spin your propaganda. You should condemn the violent looters and not use negative stereotypes showing your ignorance to associate all blacks in the protest as the same, like our conservative media is doing.
That's tyranny in of itself...that cops can hide such information while they continue to kill unarmed or innocent people.
