FR: Finally landed myself a date after 2 months of straight flaking.

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So ever since I stopped seeing my one-itis two whole months ago, I've been getting phone number after phone number, with not a single one leading to anything. This has happened despite getting at least 25-30 phone numbers in this period, even including the time when I got hot and got 10 numbers in one day.

So unless she suddenly cancels, I got myself a date tomorrow night wooo.

Met her last Sunday. Don't think I wrote about it in my journal thread. She was sitting by herself at the coffee shop in the mall (actually i think it was starbucks LOL), I cold approached her. Talked for 15-20 min, there was absolutely nothing to write home about. The conversation wasn't particularly interesting, my game was definitely not particularly "on", and she actually seemed rather distant/bored/uninterested. Still, I hung in there, eventually told her we should meet up next Sunday, to which she responded "Ok", then got her number.

I guarantee you if you were able to somehow watch every single one of my # closes in the last 2 months and had to pick the one, no FIVE girls most likely to follow up with me, you would not choose her. Hell, I had cold approaches where I DIDN'T get the # where you'd think I had a better chance than with this girl if you didn't know I didn't get the #. The point is that it's totally pointless to disqualify yourself out of the game on a cold approach because you never fwcking know with cold approaches. Ever.

Plus, the way she responded to my texts this week also gave off the impression that she wasn't really interested.

Anyway, the plan is to meet up in the evening at a public spot, then either go ice skating or bowling. Then find somewhere to chill and sit down for a sec, then bounce back to my place if it's going well.

Then log onto sosuave and type out a field report :)
 

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why are you wasting time with someone who deosnt seem interested? waste of your time and money even if its a date. me personally i wouldnt botheri can see it ending badly
 

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Let's go for a lay report shall we sage?
 

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So what of she doesn't seem like hot shıt at first, you never know, man! Sometimes in life you end up with the least expected things.

Good luck tomorrow, be cool, be in control, you got this shıt
 

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lamobatsman said:
why are you wasting time with someone who deosnt seem interested? waste of your time and money even if its a date. me personally i wouldnt botheri can see it ending badly
Because it doesn't matter if she SEEMS interested or not. So far her actions say she is interested. That's all sage needs to know. Does she give her number? Does she accept a date? Does she show up? Does she put out? Those are the only relevant questions.

Good job, sage. Keep putting in the effort.
 

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Thanks brothas. Now, on to the actual report.

She just left my place.

Here's what happened.

Our plans were to meet at 6. Around 4, I'm thinking she's probably feeling pretty nervous about meeting up with a guy she just met for 20 minutes a week ago, so I shoot her a text to ease things up: "You've probably forgotten what I look like. It's ok. I'm going to wear a clown costume so you'll be able to spot me." I did that to covertly confirm our date and to try to squash any chance she might suddenly flake out of nervousness.

We both show up at our spot at 6 pretty much on the dot. Greet w/hug, it's fwcking freezing cold outside. She looks really cute, even more attractive than I remembered her.

Her: Where's the clown costume?
Me: I decided to go with the douchebag costume instead. :)
Me: So what do you want to do? I kind of want to join the festivities down there (ice skating)
Her: Ice skating? I don't know...(tonality seemed to say she didn't really want to do it)

No matter, I lead, and we go ice skating. It's pretty fwcking fun, we both suck so we're terrified of falling the whole time. Held hands the whole time. Got on the ice, got off to rest for a bit, did that 3 times total, prob about 45 min all in all.

I realize quickly that this girl is quiet/shy, at least to me for now. She's very passive and doesn't really give green lights, red lights, or even yellow lights. No lights, I'd say. She doesn't really laugh at my jokes, unless it's something really funny, then she'll kind of chuckle. I try to maintain eye contact over and over and over, but she hardly ever looks at me and almost always talks to me from the side.

Good thing ice skating got her out of her shell a little bit, yet only temporarily. When she got scared of falling, she'd hold on to me real tight and freak out lol whereas she's usually quite stoic. We didn't talk too much while we were ice skating. In the beginning I shot the sh1t and bantered because the date was just starting, but once we got in a groove I let the silence take over as we just wordlessly enjoyed the experience. No need to force the conversation there.

We return our skates and bounce. Earlier while we were skating, I asked if she was hungry, she said not really. I wasn't either. At this point I bring her to a nearby sit-down restaurant to "grab a dessert". Of course, we get seated across from each other, but I throw that to the wind immediately and sit next to her in the booth saying "it makes more sense since we're sharing the dessert".

Here is where I start solidifying the comfort enough to bring her back home. The conversation is rather slow-paced and not super-interesting, but that's okay. I let it happen at a natural pace, at a pace that suited her, rather than try to drop her panties with endless (forced) charm and wit. The few flirty/sexual comments I do make though, she really does not respond to at all. No matter, just gotta take it easy in that regard.

I make sure I get enough personal info out of her so that I have reasonably have the impression of having qualified her enough to have a reason to like her. At one point I interrupt her and say, "You know what, you're so chill. I love that."

About halfway through our time here, I made sure to seed plausible deniability for bringing her over. Tell her about an old TV show that I've been watching some of and somehow tied it in to our conversation, and vaguely said "I'll show it to you."

When we were done, I paid the check and said "Wanna come over and hang for a bit? I'll show you _________ too." She replied "Sure" with no resistance.

Seriously, that one response to my escalation attempt was one of the VERY, VERY few IOI's she showed all night. To the normal observer, she wasn't interested in me at all. She made it difficult for me to talk to her - didn't really laugh, never flirted back, didn't really try to crack jokes. I didn't let that stop me though, whenever she seemed to not really contribute I just shrugged it off and continued random bantering until I was able to hit a topic that she could chime in on.

We hop on the bus, and during the ride it's more of the same.

We get to my place, I let her use my bathroom before I go. I keep talking to her through the door as she's taking a p1ss lol. After she's done, I go in, then I remark at how good my tiny bathroom smells after her being in there, and that whatever shampoo she uses, I'm going to buy it and put it in my bathroom.

She finally makes a joke and responds "Oh no, that's just me." I walk back over to her, give her a hug, then a kiss on the cheek. Don't know why, that's just what I felt like doing. Definitely noticed tho that when I kissed her on the cheek she was expecting it to go somewhere else...

I take my p1ss, then when I come back out I start setting up my projector so we can watch the show. After setting it up, I walk over to her and just grab and make out with her. Absolutely no resistance, none.

After kissing a bit I say "Ok seriously, I want to show you this show." We plop down on the couch, I put the show on. My arm's around her of course and I'm gently touching her arm, hair, etc. here and there as we're watching.

When the episode ends, I can't hold myself back anymore. I make out with her, then make out with her harder. She's into it. Before long, I pick her up and carry her to my bed.

We make out for like an hour and a half. She resists me taking off even her long sleeve shirt, it takes me three tries before she lets me take it off. Then lifting her short sleeve shirt up above her bra is as far as I get, I tried at least 5 times to take it off but she stopped me every time lol.



So for this next part, please keep in mind guys, that I've only been to second base with ONE girl in my life, and that was two months ago. So when I make out, I don't just keep kissing kissing kissing kissing, I like to kiss, back off, kiss somewhere else, and for some reason I like to just hang back and admire her beauty for a while.

Not after long, I catch her kind of rolling her eyes and looking away in a passive-aggressive way. I kind of call her out on it, she refuses to tell me why she's doing it. Eventually I kind of figure out (I think) that she hates when I stop making out and stop to basically do nothing. Every time I do it she tries to pull my head back in to make out more. So I stop doing that eventually lol and just keep locking the lips while moving my hands around.

As passive as this girl is socially, she liked things ROUGH. I eventually figure this out as I dry-hump the **** outta her. She seems to be enjoying it as she presses her crotchal area up to me HARD and moans. Eventually I start doing this harder and harder, to the point where I'd hump her with all my goddamn strength until I was completely out of breath. Basically I thought of how I'd be fwcking her if our clothes were off (i was down to just my boxers, she still had on her shirt and jeans).

At one point I gave a quick shot at unbuttoning her jeans. She quickly stopped me.

All of a sudden, I tell her I want to teach her some guitar. We head to the room, I can't help but make out with her for like another 10 min before I pull out the guitar and teach her a couple chords. She's not too into it and eventually tells me to play a song instead of her learning one.

I'm not in the mood for playing her a sappy, acoustic guitar romantic song (which are the majority of what I play), so I actually play a cover for a comedic rap song that Jon Lajoie wrote. It's extremely outlandish and vulgar, yet very, very witty if you understand the underlying messages of the song.

She seems to appreciate it.

We go back to making out, and it only gets more and more intense. It is around here that I really discovered she likes it rough, so I roughed her up as much as I could. This time I fwcking THREW her down on my bed and surprised the sh1t outta her. I slammed her against the wall a few times. I switched back and forth between Emotion and Dominance. One moment I'd be all sweet and gentle, softly kissing her and stroking her air, then ALL OF A SUDDEN I'd shove her, grab her arms and squeeze them as hard as I could, slammed them down on the bed as hard as I could, then make out with her like my life depended on it.

Started to realize she enjoys some pain. I start slapping her @$$ as hard as I can. She just laughs. I reach down through her jeans and squeeze her jeans. It takes me digging my nails into her a$$ hard as I can before I finally get a bit of an idea of the upper limit of how much pain she enjoys.

Could type some more but I'm tired as fwwwwwwwck and I wanna get this report out. So, that was basically the gist of it.Physically, that's as far as we got, w
 

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I like how you didn't give up, last night I didn't give up, I felt like the night was going sour, chicks would move away from me when I dance with them, and it wasn't even the hot broads, I was like damn its going to be a shotty night, so I switched up and left the dance floor and went to where the girls was at the bars and tables, and grab two hot broads in the different section of the club and got the numbers

I should be posting this in my thread

but one of the broads gave me a wrong number or her friends number, but the other girl seem really interested

so stay persistant if you feel like in your head it might go somewhere
 

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I KNEW it. Good job man!

Seems like a "good girl"...and shy, too.

Way to dominate, and way to be so natural throughout the whole thing! I sense some fvcking on the second date. :)
 

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:rock: Good shyt sage!! It's awesome to see your development and you using the techniques you've learned here.
Keep the updates coming. Methinks you won't be a virgin for too much longer.
 

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Hey, thanks guys. Man, I was so tired typing that post last night that I was barely conscious through the last couple sentences haha.

So p1ssed I edited my previous post to throw in a bunch of other details but it made my post too long, and then I lost everything I typed.

Anyway I'll just sum of a couple things I made mention of:

-You're right Mr. Bond, she definitely seems like a "good girl" who is rather shy. She's Christian and a college graduate who agreed to put her life on hold for a year in order to nanny for her cousins who needed it. However, based on her behaviors, she definitely has a dark side. Clues are how reserved she is, how rough she liked it, her slight preference for dark/morbid humor, and I just have a sort of intuitive feel about her of a dark side. I kind of like that. Whether it's past trauma, a stressful life, personal struggles, other issues going on, I don't know.

-her phone rang several times, she completely ignored it lol. good, subtle sign of her interest.



One other interesting exchange near the end:

Her: What's your last name?
Me: Do you want to know my last name? I feel like you're just using me for my body.
Her: I feel like after all that I should at least know your last name...
Me: *tell her my last name* What's your last name?
Her: I'm not telling you.
Me: Haha what? Why wouldn't you tell me that?
Her: Idk, I'm just not telling you.
Me: What is your last name?
Her: Idk.
Me: Hahaha why won't you tell me
Her: *shrugs*
Me: You know playing hard to get only makes sense when you're withholding something interesting
(doesn't even really make sense what i said, but i kind of threw her a sh1t test i guess)
Her: Whatever

EDIT: I actually did get her last name eventually when she had to type it into my computer to order her cab

The Next Play

So originally I wanted to go with that one thread Atom Smasher posted, and let her stew for a day before I contact her and ask her out immediately while the iron's hot.

But now I'm thinking maybe I should at least send her a quick text or call today. Why? Well backbreaker posted in a thread saying it can give off some very bad signals if you ignore a woman the day after you sleep with her.

I didn't sleep with her, I wasn't even able to get her shirt off. But perhaps to her, the relative level of intimacy involved with making out hardcore like we did is pretty high, high enough to where she'd feel used if I don't contact her the next day..plus she's reserved and I want her to open up.

Perhaps the better play in this case is to send her ONE text today, keep the communication VERY light for a couple days, then call her up and ask her out again.
 
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First off, good job on the date.

Secondly, since she played that little game with her last name? Don't call or text her first. Obviously since she is into that sort of thing, you not contacting her first will drive her crazy.

Or....she is married with 3 kids and doesn't want you to find her on Facebook.

Or....she has no interest in you whatsoever and never wants to see you again.

But my guess would be the first.
 

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Congratulations, man. Props for sticking to it, and getting somewhere.

Now do it again, and don't get too hung up over this one girl. Keep approaching others, and keep trying for other dates. Use this as a springboard for confidence.

But, don't get too wrapped up in progress with one girl and forget to continue.
 

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Thanks guys.

Complacency is my worst enemy. When I was dating my one-itis months ago, only when things weren't going well did I find enough motivation to go out and sarge.

Oh and cordon, eventually she did allow me to see her last name, I edited my previous post. But yeah I haven't contacted her today, think I'm going to call her tomorrow night.
 

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The follow-up

Thanks AR.

And now, the date follow-up. Muchas gracias to Atom Smasher for his teachings in this thread.

Date was Sunday. Today is Tuesday.

I appreciated your advice BDJ, and I took it into consideration while ultimately deciding that 4 days was too long to wait (for this particular girl), so I went with just 2 days.

She is quiet, she is shy, she is passive. When I told her she was absolutely adorable, she looked away and shook her head. Anything longer than 2 days would be too long, I think.

Broke the silence (since the date) tonight. Called her, no answer. Left a vm referencing an inside joke, came out kinda sh1tty. Oh well. Sent her a text right afterward, and the following convo ensued:

9:18 Hey clownie I left you a vm
9:32 Just listened to it.
9:51 I want to see you again
9:55 Ok.
9:57 Hahahha
9:57 Miss [her last name], come make dinner with me on sunday
10:03 You just had to use my last name, didn't you? That might be ok.
10:04 Wait shoot I'm sorry.
10:04 For what?
10:05 I forgot you changed your last name, Mrs. [my last name]
10:07 Ha! Oh yeah.
10:08 Seriously tho you and I are making some delicious food. Don't be a poohead and tell me you can't. I will see you sunday
10:10 I'll see what I can do.

(ok, it's way too obvious now that she is just trying to put up a facade of being hard to get)

10:11 You mispelled "yes sageproduct, see you sunday. Oh and you're really hot"
10:13 Must have been a typo.
10:13 No, don't blame yourself. Autocorrect can be a b1tch
10:15 You know, you're right.

End conversation.



Now before all you heaps of guys go all "drop her dude she clearly isn't interested"...

No.

I'll have you know this is EXACTLY how she was via text last week between our initial meeting and our first date.

She is passive, and she is afraid of showing too much interest. I'm able to look past that and see the TRUE indicators if interest:

-during initial approach, she immediately agreed when i asked her for a date next sunday
-week leading up to date, it was implicit that she assumed our date was on, despite her seemingly distant attitude
-on our date, she asked me about something i VERY briefly mentioned during our initial interaction.
-also on our date, i offered a mint after we ate, she had already popped in some gum. on the bus ride home, i caught her putting on chapstick.
-and on our date, while at my place her phone rang 2-3 times and she never even bothered to see who it was. she didn't even mention having to go home until it was already quite late, like past 11
-she's obviously downplaying her interest as part of her "game". the tip-off to this was when refused to tell me her last name. There was absolutely no reason for this, especially when she just asked for my last name lol. Absolutely no reason other than her reading somewhere to be mysterious and not give away too much information too quickly.



Methinks Ima go silent and call/text her Thurs/Sat to cement our plans. I want to get her on the phone, but I have a feeling she hates talking on the phone.
 

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Your text game is getting better. Still, you're a little wordy...try combining some of those thoughts.

Overall this seems promising. I'd follow up on Saturday, unless she gets back to you first.

Also, don't be so concerned about getting her on the phone. I really don't see it as necessary; it's all about the face-to-face anyway. Just keep it short and sweet; you can charm her pants off on Sunday instead of over the phone on Saturday.
 

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Good thread.

You've come a long way it seems over the past few girls.

I think your read on this girl is money.

And I agree with ARrocket. No worries about the phone. Text is fine.
 

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This is great stuff. You are pretty funny with her. Good jokes. Btw, you could have kissed her on the bus ride back to your place that first date. Based on the impressions I get. I agree that you are very wordy in your jokes. It's a girl I would like. You are more keen on the game she is playing, I would be oblivious. But you respond well. Good thing about the violent/dominant thing while making out. Wish I could do that (maybe I can). Some girls just have this "rule" that they won't have sex on the first date, can be hard to break, I'm sure. Some girls will have sex while reminding themselves in their head (or out loud) that they shouldn't be doing it or that it's okay because you're such a cool guy.

I once had a girl who was repeating to herself in her head (she told me later) all evening "I'm not going to kiss him". I got us to kiss anyway and even have sex.

I think waiting a few days was good. She's playing some game, so you want to humiliate her a bit. I would love to get an even better reading on her. I don't know much about dark sides.. would love to hear that. She obviously has some trauma/pain thing because otherwise she wouldn't be so closed/shy/reserved. Pain has the tendency to want pain; she might have rape or submissive fantasies which would explain why she responds so well to your dominance/aggression.

I have this female friend who has a boyfriend but I call her sweety and honey anyway. She had a painful past and harbors a lot of pain still. The other day I humiliated her... we were talking on whatsapp about some girl I know that has been raised as a sex slave. She said "it's not logical... she sleeps in a cage, yet has a smartphone?" I said "But you have a smartphone as well, right." Ouch! But she responded in all earnest "Yeah, but I pay it myself and don't sleep in a cage." I kept silent. The next day she called me about something, while she hates calling. Funny stuff :p.

This girl of yours is playing a game but she wants you. That's pretty obvious. It's straightforward from here on out and you are completely on the money bout her interest.

One thing I would be interested in is how she responds to some forcing. Pin her arms behind her back and then go for her tits. If I'm right about her, she'll love it. Life begins at the edge of your comfort zone, right? ;-)

She is planning some strategy about the amount of encounters it has to take before you guys have sex. It's your job to rid her of that. It will assert your dominance if you can and that is something she will love. She wants you to break her scheme, to get her naked before she originally wanted to. This girl definitely wants you to force her. She's already fantasizing about it.
 

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sageproduct said:
She just left my place.

Her: Where's the clown costume?
Me: I decided to go with the douchebag costume instead. :) This is self-degradating humor that lowers your value--be careful.



Of course, we get seated across from each other, but I throw that to the wind immediately and sit next to her in the booth saying "it makes more sense since we're sharing the dessert".

Pretty good

"Wanna come over and hang for a bit? I'll show you _________ too." She replied "Sure" with no resistance.

Well done, but work on your wording; you can obviously lead as evidenced by this thread. I would say " Hey, let's go to my and hangout for a bit. There's this (thing) you have got to see


After setting it up, I walk over to her and just grab and make out with her. Absolutely no resistance, none.

:up:

Before long, I pick her up and carry her to my bed.

We make out for like an hour and a half.

she liked things ROUGH. I eventually figure this out as I dry-hump the **** outta her. She seems to be enjoying it as she presses her crotchal area up to me HARD and moans. Eventually I start doing this harder and harder, to the point where I'd hump her with all my goddamn strength until I was completely out of breath.
:cheer: This is great improvement; I give you credit for your persistence despite the bumps on the road--it takes a lot of courage. I can see myself in a lot of the things you mentioned in this FR. As you gain experience, you will become smoother. Heck, this is a great starting point...mine was slower and bumpier.

I can definitely see this moving further. Keep us posted: +1 rep.

-R
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Also, I found this OLD thread. Man it made me laugh hard. I was on a role up until I started texting the girl and fucked it up, lol. I think you it would be a good example of what to do and what not to do when hanging in person and through texting.

Check it out here: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=182722&highlight=manly+tear+fire
 
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