FR: 2 approaches at the mall.

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This is truly wrong because this is what made me actually start getting better. As the guy from RSD calls it "shifting the sands" there isn't nothing for the girl to really grab onto. An it also is about being unpredictable.

One minute your saying hey, the next your hugging her and calling her your gf. The next minute your breaking up with her. An before you know it your talking about ants and your telling her about your "picnic" story, and before you know it your demonstrating to her how you was holding the girl who you was eating the apple with during the picnic.

There doesn't need to be any transitions, or else then certain openers would've never been created because it would be hard to branch off of it due to the context your in. If you watch high value guys or just guys who are natural, there constantly talking about different things and bringing things up randomly. Of course you have to have common sense and calibrate it or else you can come off as retarded or socially incompetent.

I agree. I can do this naturally, but sometimes it doesn't work. I have no idea how it works, but you win some you lose some.

 

[WesCottII]

Now I clearly see what your saying. But I've talked to him about his sets already and I found out its not even the material that is messing him up. The cold read and the story everyone is bashing on is not what he is doing wrong.
Yes, but they are integral parts surely? It takes 1 wrong said thing to blow a set.

Majority of his approaches
- He is trying for rapport (The best example is when he says "Tell me a little about yourself")
He told me in a post in this thread, that he wasn't trying for rapport. Also, that line really isn't good for rapport. It sounds like an interveiw line. He needs to learn to vibe
- He is being reactive (In this case he is asking questions as a way to keep the conversation going because he can't vibe)
true, but you can plan a set to some extent, IF you know how to lead a conversation
- He is Qualifying
The story about the rock? I never liked that story, it seems like bragging to me.
- He doesn't have a clear understanding of social dynamics (In this case he ignored one of the girls in the 2set and that girl ended up being bored and pulled her away
Yes, I pointed that out I think.

Those 4 things alone is killing his sets. I've spoke to him and his many problem is that he believes that material is what gets you the girl, but its really who you are that gets you the girl.
Agreed

An that has nothing to do with the way that I pickup, its if you strip down all the lines, techniques, routines, theory, etc. You will find certain stuff is always occuring whether we all have different methods.

For example "Women don't want to be held accountable for anything that happens so you must lead". It doesn't matter what method you use, you still need to know that if you want to consitently pull. You basically have to take full responsiblity for everything that happens.
Yeah, I'm with you 100% on that. Women will sit there and stew, it's the guys job to take her hand and do something.

Same with Buying temperature, eye coding, state, etc. All those stuff is just basic social dynamics, it has nothing to do with a method or way of picking up. This is why I don't agree with RSD, or MM, because in my veiw you have to strive to become the best you can be, say hitting the gym....taking up a sport, getting in control of your finances, and the women will come.

An that is why many guys waste there time searching for all these lines, thinking that's the magic pill.

Take what saying how you want. Like anything you can decide to use it or scrap it, this is my last post about this whole field report because it kind of got off topic

To get back to the topic:

Elstud: Don't come with no success, you havn't had any, loads of people tried to help you, and you're not listening. Success is day2's. numbers etc. Any fool can make a girl laugh. In that respect, you're failing.

Snowman: Replies in bold.

 

[Lust]

I read the magic of the material thing and I immediately thought "what is this dude smoking". I don't even know where you're coming from dude. You guys don't understand that I have my own method of doing it, that's working. No numbers? I haven't asked for any recently. And like Snow Plowman said if you really want to bring this down to who gets laid the most, the people that use Mystery Method and RSD do. You guys tell him he's wrong, but you've never tried his methods because of your own little presumptions? Ignorance. Do I tell you you guys or wrong? No, I just tell you I use a different method, but I'm saying your advice doesn't work for your particular method.

Don't try and bring that 'no success' crap because I've repeatedly given you guys examples of how I have had success with these methods. Dat, dat, I know what you're going to say, no numbers right? That's because I haven't asked for any. I succeed at what I want to do and that's get the girl laughing and interested.

Anyway, I'm going to sarge at the mall today, hopefully I'll try to atleast number close.

Dude, you see?

You are automatically getting defensive, seriously.

Look back at your posts, how many times did you get defensive? How many times did you actually thank the person politely for the advice they had given you?

You don't take in advice, you just post up your FRs hoping for good replies, and defending yourself.

My goal is to get interest from women and that's what I do. I get laughs, questions and that's pretty much all I've been going for.

Dude, why haven't you been going for numbers and day 2's? You don't want to admit you are wrong, you say you haven't gotten any real results is because you haven't tried for any, but why the fvck not? Why haven't you tried for any?

You don't state WHY! You just give yourself excuses not to improve. Read it again seriously, you are scared to go any further, not some bullsh!t about not trying to go further.

Also, I've read your FRs, and the results you have been getting are not in your favor at all, you have been barely getting laughs, girls are barely asking questions, barely taking in an interest in you at all. You say "I have my own way, and it works". That's bull, it doesn't work until you are getting laid. You're not getting laid. I don't even have to read your FRs to tell. It hasn't been working, don't kid yourself.

You're approaches are, if i were not to sugar coat it at all, HORRIBLE. I would not let you anywhere near my sets, and would not wing with you even if i had to go solo.

Stop fvcking defending your ego, or whatever. You are here to improve! So admit you're wrong.

Seriously, TAKE IN WHAT I HAVE SAID. Don't discard it because you will never improve if you don't be truthful to yourself.

Honestly ask yourself, are you happy with how you are going? Do you think there is room for improvement? Cause I have read your past FRs, and you haven't been improving much at all, mostly because of your attitude towards criticism.

Don't give yourself anymore excuses, because all that will do is drag you down.

Don't you feel bad? I have been reading your FRs for the last month or so, perhaps even more. That's over a MONTH of wasted time! Because you haven't improved! Don't try and get defensive, saying you have improved, because you know that you haven't. Not the way others are improving.

Take everyones advice in seriously, don't give yourself any more excuses, don't be afraid to admit being wrong, don't be afraid to change the way you think and apply everything you learn. Those few simple steps will get you a lot further than you have gotten by doing what you have been doing.

 

[Snow Plowman]

^^^
Yes I think that question killed everything. That is mainly where he started askin so many questions in hopes of keeping the conversation going. This is where I think he was losing the set.

I also thought he was coming off as bragging when he said that rockstar bit. But then again it could come off either as playful or bragging and I wouldn't even be able to tell which way he came off. Maybe if he played into it more of her being her groupie and playing off of that, then he could've turned what was bragging into something playful. In his case I think he came off as bragging.

 

[ElStud]

Wow, you sure do care a lot about me being defensive. It's funny how you call me defensive and then get defensive yourself, little hypocritical there. Barely getting laughs or interest? Yeah, buddy, I think you should actually read my FRs and stop lying. My statement stands, I haven't got numbers or day 2's because I have not actually tried to and what if I did try and failed? Who cares. And my way is Snow Plowman's way and I'm pretty sure Snow Plowman gets laid, so that statement makes no sense.

 

[WesCottII]

He gets laid. You don't.

He's him, you are you. Just because he gets laid using WHAT WORKS FOR HIM doesn't mean you will, also, stop leeching off his success. When I followed mystery, I'm sure he was getting laid loads more than I was, but doesn't mean I can claim credit for his lays.

I've read you FR's, and you're NOT getting laughs or interest. You seem to be getting polite interest, and if you not getting numbers or day2's, you're failing. And what if you do ask and fail? Who cares? No-one, so fvcking do it.

 

[ElStud]

He's been doing this for years, I just started, so it's dumb to use "he gets laid" as an excuse, of course he does, but did he always get laid? No, he didn't always get laid and neither did you, unless you were freaking naturals. And are you serious? Check again, cause if you look in several of my approaches you will see laughs and interest. Look at the 2nd approach in this topic, she laughed. You looked at my "FRs", no I think you looked at one unsuccessful FR and you're basing all your crap off of that.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1142599&postcount=1
Interested, had a long conversation with this chick.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1155440&postcount=1
Third approach here, got laughs and interest.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1162689&postcount=1
Look at the second approach there, laughs and interest.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1159814&postcount=1
Second approach here, girl introduced me to her friends and showed tons of interest, asking a lot of questions. Third approach, the girls were laughing before I was even done with the cold read. But especially check out that second one, I think that's the most interested I've ever gotten a chick so far.

So what if I don't get laughs/interest every approach? I'm still learning.

 

[Lust]

Wow, you sure do care a lot about me being defensive. It's funny how you call me defensive and then get defensive yourself, little hypocritical there. Barely getting laughs or interest? Yeah, buddy, I think you should actually read my FRs and stop lying.

Read what you just wrote. Seriously, read it. You DON'T TAKE THINGS IN. I told you to stop being defensive, and now read the above. What are you doing? Don't try and accuse me of being defensive, I am helping you here, if anything, I'm defending you. That you still have a chance if you shut the hell up, quit being up tight and take in the advice given to you.

Mate, don't you see you aren't progressing? You keep pulling the same excuses out of your ass for failing, I made a number of reasons for why you haven't been successful, and you keep saying the crap I've already mentioned you'd say.

Plenty of people have read your FRs, and they all know YOU NEED HELP. No you haven't been getting much interest, I am not "lying", don't lash out when I get to the point, because plenty of others can see you need help, It's not just me with nothing better to do than flame someone who can't admit being wrong.

My statement stands, I haven't got numbers or day 2's because I have not actually tried to and what if I did try and failed? Who cares.

Dude, quit pulling some sh!tty excuse out, if you don't care whether you fail or not, then GO FOR A CLOSE! Why don't you go for a close? You still haven't answered that.

And my way is Snow Plowman's way and I'm pretty sure Snow Plowman gets laid, so that statement makes no sense.

What the hell are you on about? Now you are just making a fool of yourself, even that excuse is horrible. So you are saying that, because you are basing your techniques on someone else's method, which works for THEM, you must be doing the right thing? Because you are following something that works for SOMEONE ELSE, and that someone else is successful, that therefore you must be successful too? Because read that again, it's pretty much what you said.

He's been doing this for years, I just started, so it's dumb to use "he gets laid" as an excuse, of course he does, but did he always get laid? No, he didn't always get laid and neither did you, unless you were freaking naturals.

But you just used it as an excuse. I'm not trying to lash out here, I'm trying to make you see how badly your attitude is preventing you from improving.

And are you serious? Check again, cause if you look in several of my approaches you will see laughs and interest. Look at the 2nd approach in this topic, she laughed.

Dude, over more than half of your approaches aren't generating any attraction. About 1 out of 3 approaches go okish, not even that great.

You looked at my "FRs", no I think you looked at one unsuccessful FR and you're basing all your crap off of that.

Actually I think it's the other way around, most of your approaches go bad, and you are just grabbing the half decent ones to make a point. I hate to be cruel, but this says it all:

Me: Hey, I'm going to make you my girlfriend for 5 minutes.
Girl: I'm sorry. No.
Me: What?
Girl: No.

Alright, my attempt at starting something playful didn't work. But I wasn't going to give up.

Me: So, what school do you go to?
Girl: [Schoolname]
Me: Oh, I go to [My schoolname].
Girl: Yeah.

That's not everything. But I kept asking her questions and she didn't seem very interested.

Me: So, do you play any instruments?
Girl: Flute.
Me: Cool, I play Alto Sax.
Girl: Yeah.

Me: So what do you do in your free time?
Girl: Nothing.
Me: Nothing?
Girl: No.
Me: You sound pretty boring, not like the kind of chick I would want to go out with.
Girl: I have a boyfriend.
Me: Oh, well it was nice meeting you.

That is just one of the many that I feel painful reading.

I'm not trying to attack you, I'm trying to get it through your head that you are being ignorant, you aren't taking in the valuable advice you are getting. Why do you think you are getting so much advice? Because you have so much that needs work on. OPEN YOUR EYES, be honest with yourself, you are constantly lying to yourself, telling yourself that you are doing well. You are trying to con yourself and others, and at this rate, you will never progress anywhere. Like i said, quit worrying about how good you look on this site, don't deny it, because you know deep down that's why you are so defensive.

Take in advice sincerely, anything that may work. Don't give yourself excuses.

 

[robstar]

Dude, you can lie to us and say that your happy.. but you can't lie to yourself.

 

[ElStud]

Still judging all my FRs off of one FR I see. Oh well, you can ignore those examples I posted all you want, but don't try pulling that "I don't get interest or attraction" sh*t anymore. Of course I don't get interest and attraction every approach, I'm new at this. But the fact that I HAVE gotten interest and attraction before using these methods, means that Snow Plowman's methods ARE working. So the way I see is if I keep improving with his methods, I WILL eventually get numbers and day 2's and eventually get laid.

 

[robstar]

You won't get them if you don't ask.. Lust has asked you numerous times the one single question.. "WHY HAVEN'T YOU GONE FOR A CLOSE?" I for one am still waiting for an answer.

 

[ElStud]

You won't get them if you don't ask.. Lust has asked you numerous times the one single question.. "WHY HAVEN'T YOU GONE FOR A CLOSE?" I for one am still waiting for an answer.

Dude... check those examples I posted earlier, I have gone for a number close two times, both times I had good conversation with the chicks, but they apparently just weren't interested enough.

 

[theunflushables]

Just remember this is a numbers game. If you went to a bus stop and asked 1000 women who got off that bus if they'd sleep with you one would probably say yes. (Of course it would be the one you wouldnt want to sleep with). Same thing with getting numbers. Yeah, you're 0 and 2 right now, but keep asking away and you could end up with more than you know what to do with.

 

[ElStud]

Yeah, but remember these 1000 women haven't really met you, so they'd be judging from a first impression. And hey, I bet if you asked THAT with confidence you'd get more women to say yes. But yeah, going to the mall again today, same mall, hope I get some approaches. Maybe I'll even try some number closes if I can get a girl interested enough.