Well I can't get numbers if I don't ask for them eh? So you can't exactly say that. Both times I HAVE asked for numbers I actually had a lot of interest from the chicks and they still didn't give it. Has it gotten interest? Certainly. It's generally said that rapport should be done after all the hook and attraction stuff.WesCottII said:
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WesCottII
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No, you can't have attraction without rapport "generally" speaking. Stop arguing and listen to me because I've slept with 18 more girls than you.
You havn't got any numbers, wether you asked or not. Doesn't make a difference, at the end of the day you have none. Ergo, your routine is failing. Change it.
You havn't got any numbers, wether you asked or not. Doesn't make a difference, at the end of the day you have none. Ergo, your routine is failing. Change it.
I'm not arguing and for your information, I also take advice from a guy who's gotten laid many times, who uses mostly Mystery's Methods. Why are you saying my routine is failing? I'm not getting any numbers but I'm not even aiming for that. I'm aiming to get girls interested and that's what I'm doing. Second approach in this topic, girl had interest, lost it. Failing? I went up to 2 different groups of girls said something like "I could see you as the type of girl that goes on one of those really high rides and yeah, I could see it right now, me and you would be up there and the ride would drop and like a pig, you throw up on me", one group of girls laughed and the other group of girls took me to their friends and I had one particular girl in the group asking a lot of questions. You say drop the Jesus story... why? I went to a group of girls at lunch with that and got a bunch of interest. If that's what you call failing... well, look in the dictionary.WesCottII said:
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If you're only listening to your friend's advice and if you truly believe your way is 100% working... Then why are you even posting your approaches?...
Honestly your approaches aren't as successful as you think...
Honestly your approaches aren't as successful as you think...
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I feel you don't understand what true interest is, maybe you haven't seen the look girls give, that twinkle in their eyes, because once you get that they melt all over you.
Everyone is telling you the truth, Snow Plowman (I think you said he was your mentor) would tell you, your just not improving. Sure, like you said sometimes your stories are funny, sometimes you can get a little interest, but your method is too hit and miss to have any sort of real success.
Canned lines just don't work unless you deliver them with total confidence, and it seems like your not doing that with yours.
Think you're talking about attraction, not interest. Or perhaps you're right, non interested girls will have long conversations with you. And my lines are canned? Sure, but I deliver em' in a way where the girl wouldn't really be able to tell. Besides I can back up these "canned" lines with hook stuff, so it really doesn't matter. Hell, I've gone up to a girl with "Hey, you do track right?" before and had a long interesting conversation with her. The reason she probably didn't give me her number is because all I was doing was rapport and not really anything to attract her. Again, I used the whole Jesus story on a group of girls and we talked for the whole rest of the lunch period.Touchout said:
And actually, Snow Plowman, who knows a lot about what he's talking about, tells me had I not said "So why don't you tell me a little about yourself?" and just said something random, I would've kept interest. It's a little something called plowing, not caring.
You say my methods aren't helping me improve but explain this...
- You say drop the Jesus story. Yet I went up to a group of girls, sat down with them, started telling the Jesus story and they were asking questions even before I finished the story. One of the girls then asked me if I knew HER name and I said no, and she says "Taylor". From there they showed a lot of interest and I pretty much held the groups interest until the bell rang and they had to go to class.
- Again you say "Using my methods" I'm not improving but check this. I went up to a girl, blah blah, said hey did you guys ride any of the rides yet, blah blah then said to one of the girls "Haha, I can see you as that type of girl who would go on one of those really high rides and then like a pig just throw up, I mean I could see it now me and you would be up there on one those rides and then when it comes down, you just throw on me like a pig or something". Tell me why after that, she proceeded to take me to her friends, introduce me, and ask me a bunch of questions. Hell, only reason I didn't get any further with her is because I failed her little "I'm a lesbian" sh*t test. And girls mostly only throw sh*t test at guys they are attracted to.
- Using the same line with another group I got a laugh, before I was even done saying the line.
No, I'm talking about interest, generating interest in someone comes before attraction, unless you attract them with your looks.ElStud said:
Yeah, your right, she probably can't tell their canned, but my experience with canned material is that it's not really delivered in the same genuine, individual attention that your on the spot stuff is.
Or maybe because you just didn't ask her
I want to quote WesCottII
No explanation necessary really, the man speaks the truth. Now you can say random things, hell I do it all the time, but there has to be some underlying connection between it and the previous thing either you or her said, you have to vibe.
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So, let me get this straight. You joked about a girl throwing up on you "like a pig" while on a ride? Yeah, creepy. She probably introduced you to her friends because she was scared of being alone with you. I mean call me old fashioned but I don't think girls like being compared to pigs. And don't give none of this "negging" her crap. You want the woman to feel insecure without you, not insecure in general.
Basically, why you're failing, is because you come off immature. Not saying that you are neccesairly, but by the stories you tell, I could see how people could construe you as immature.
Basically, why you're failing, is because you come off immature. Not saying that you are neccesairly, but by the stories you tell, I could see how people could construe you as immature.
those conversations must have been awkward. cant explain it exactly it just was. reminds me of the kid at school who always brings up random ass **** like "you know cows are bad, blah blah blah." even when it's reoccuring subjects (like cows, cuz we here that all the time), it's still weird. We always give him awkward laughs or stares, and that sounds exactly like what happened to you.
gotta give you props for approaching though. not bad
gotta give you props for approaching though. not bad
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There's a difference between interest and being polite. It seems to me they were humouring you, now, I wasn't there so I'm not 100% sure. It just seems to me that there is no interest there.ElStud said:
I could qoute you 100 different approaches that I've done that I got the girls laughing, or got me introduced to their friends, that didn't work out.
I'm not having a go here, 'coz props for approaching, but why are you not aiming for the number?
Also, my veiw on plowing: If you're good enough, and congruent in your material, you shouldn't have to plow.
Humoring me? No, girls don't ask questions just to be polite, they certainly don't say you're funny just to be polite and they most DEFINITELY do not introduce you to their friends just to be polite. The girls could've left at any time or stopped showing interest, but did they? No. And no they were not just being polite, they were telling about their experiences too. If they were truly being polite they would've just interrupted and said "Okay... well, I have to go... so bye". I'm not aiming for the number because I will most likely not even get the number.WesCottII said:
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Yes, girls do ask questions just to be polite.ElStud said:
Yes, they will compliment you to be polite.
Oh wow, they shared their experiences! Congratulations! You shared your experiences with everyone reading this, does that mean you like us?
The thing is man, you need to start aiming for the number, you're holding yourself back by setting goals that are too low, which effects your game.
But questions can also be a sign of interest. Tell me, why would a girl ask "Do you know my name?" without me asking, just to be polite? Why would a girl have conversation with me for like 30 minutes just to be polite? Why would a girl tell me about herself just to be polite? You're not making much sense. Again, like I said, they could've backed off or made an excuse at any time, but they didn't.theunflushables said:
Polite is when a girl will listen to you, but overall won't add anything to the conversation, therefore showing disinterest.
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Ok, maybe polite isnt the proper word to be used. How about friendly. Hell, they probably think you'd make a good friend. Either way, you are not getting your desired results. Try changing your approach up, and be open to advice, it will help immensly.
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So, assuming you don't talk to girls to have friends, you need to look over your approaches and figure out what is not working and cut it. Also maybe think about adding other things.
One thing I'd like to point out is you almost talk to your approaches like you'd talk to one of your guy friends. Girls are all about vanity, so they want to be made special. So, joking with that girl about throwing up on a ride, is not the best thing to say lest you are banned to the world of "friends".
One thing I'd like to point out is you almost talk to your approaches like you'd talk to one of your guy friends. Girls are all about vanity, so they want to be made special. So, joking with that girl about throwing up on a ride, is not the best thing to say lest you are banned to the world of "friends".
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So, assuming you don't talk to girls to have friends, you need to look over your approaches and figure out what is not working and cut it. Also maybe think about adding other things.
One thing I'd like to point out is you almost talk to your approaches like you'd talk to one of your guy friends. Girls are all about vanity, so they want to be made special. So, joking with that girl about throwing up on a ride, is not the best thing to say lest you are banned to the world of "friends". Instead, try playing up to their vanity, after you make them laugh tell them you love the sparkle in their eyes when they laugh. Talk about how they're dressed and how its flattering on them. They're suckers for that kind of thing.
One thing I'd like to point out is you almost talk to your approaches like you'd talk to one of your guy friends. Girls are all about vanity, so they want to be made special. So, joking with that girl about throwing up on a ride, is not the best thing to say lest you are banned to the world of "friends". Instead, try playing up to their vanity, after you make them laugh tell them you love the sparkle in their eyes when they laugh. Talk about how they're dressed and how its flattering on them. They're suckers for that kind of thing.
Not really. Infact I think you should have another look, because I wouldn't never say any of this stuff to my guy friends. More like stuff I'd say if I had a bratty little sister. All that complimenting stuff seems too nice for me, almost like something an AFC would say. I'd rather tease her about something she does with her eyes or tease her about her dress.
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We come from different schools. I believe you can compliment a woman without looking like or being an AFC. Where one becomes the AFC is when they follow one around like a puppy dog because they don't have enough self esteem to go talk to other girls. And believe me girls know this. No better way to pique one interest than talking to another.
By making fun of her style (or anything else) she begins to feel insecure. I don't buy into this macho bull sh1t that girls want bad boys. Because what they really want is excitement. But it seems that bad boys are the only exciting ones. So, thats all they want. Until they get their ass beat and date a nice guy, get bored date a bad boy and the cycle starts all over again. Instead I live outside of that, show them I'm exciting without destroying them physically or mentally. Its one big mindfvck and it intrigues them.
By making fun of her style (or anything else) she begins to feel insecure. I don't buy into this macho bull sh1t that girls want bad boys. Because what they really want is excitement. But it seems that bad boys are the only exciting ones. So, thats all they want. Until they get their ass beat and date a nice guy, get bored date a bad boy and the cycle starts all over again. Instead I live outside of that, show them I'm exciting without destroying them physically or mentally. Its one big mindfvck and it intrigues them.
Macho bullsh*t? It's called being playful and if the girl becomes insecure that means she either already had problems to begin with or you're not conveying it in a playful way. If you're seriously trying to be an ass and hurt her feelings, that makes you a jerk. That's why girls laugh when you playfully tease her. It's why neg hits and ****y and funny work.
