For those who deny the importance of Looks

[mrgoodstuff]

Sound advice but I'm not going to press charges on emotional tantrums unless it got too bad. Hopefully things won't ever get to that point.

I was saying put on the record but don't mention names yet. That way you've established HR contact and have been briefed on how to manage yourself and the situation.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The other one is his wife....believe it or not most women who I asked in person aren't attracted to the super swoll bodybuilder om stage....not sure why

If those same guys were performing in the strip club they'd be running like water.

 

[GeeMale]

If those same guys were performing in the strip club they'd be running like water.

Well yeah cause what are they in the strip club for in the first place. I'm talking about Mr. Olympia open class competitors... as a man even I wouldn't want to look like that

 

[NSX-R]

Saying looks is not important it’s like saying size doesn’t matter . At the end usually those who ain’t having both of them are saying it .

 

[Dash Riprock]

Let me ask you a question. Can a woman date down? Can a well-rounded 9 date down to a 6 or 7? The answer is that they cannot. Even if just for the social implications, let alone attraction.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this statement.

Women DO date down all the time and usually marry even lower. I've seen this all my life, see it all the time now, and it's more the norm than exception. Don't confuse short-term flings, STRs, and ONS with someone a woman sees as boyfriend or even bona fide "serious dating" or marriage material.

Here are some reasons women date "down" (looks-wise), based on my experience and what hot women have actually told me, in no particular order:

1. Good looking men have a higher tendency to cheat (proven fact) because they have more options and women approaching them.
2. In a woman's mind the "hot" guy will not be as good of a father due to #1.
3. Women HATE competition for their man from other women.
4. A hot woman with an average guy carries far more leverage. He is easier to control. She (and usually he) knows he likely would have to settle for a much more average looking woman should she dump him. This one is huge as men are very looks-driven.
5. A hot guy can actually make a woman self-conscious about her looks and body and damage her already fragile (and they all are) self-esteem.
6. Average looking men are much more likely to commit to a hot (or any) women.

Feel free to add to the list.

~Dash~

 

[Who Dares Win]

You are beyond help bro. By all means its your hole. Take a a rope ladder with your shovel you will need it....

You are as useful as the attention seeking guy who has to bring his guitar at the beach while everyone else is enjoying their time with willing half naked girls.

Ohhh I see why you picked that nickname and avatar now....nomen omen.

Btw disregard data and logic, just keep pulling strings.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this statement.

Women DO date down all the time and usually marry even lower. I've seen this all my life, see it all the time now, and it's more the norm than exception. Don't confuse short-term flings, STRs, and ONS with someone a woman sees as boyfriend or even bona fide "serious dating" or marriage material.

Here are some reasons women date "down" (looks-wise), based on my experience and what hot women have actually told me, in no particular order:

1. Good looking men have a higher tendency to cheat (proven fact) because they have more options and women approaching them.
2. In a woman's mind the "hot" guy will not be as good of a father due to #1.
3. Women HATE competition for their man from other women.
4. A hot woman with an average guy carries far more leverage. He is easier to control. She (and usually he) knows he likely would have to settle for a much more average looking woman should she dump him. This one is huge as men are very looks-driven.
5. A hot guy can actually make a woman self-conscious about her looks and body and damage her already fragile (and they all are) self-esteem.
6. Average looking men are much more likely to commit to a hot (or any) women.

Feel free to add to the list.

~Dash~

Nr. 6 is very true, I noticed that plenty of times.

Regarding the difference between short term flings and relationships I agree as well, the point is that its the short terms flings that get the top sex because she is turned on from him from a pure instinctual point and because she knows it wont last therefore she doesnt have to restrict herself as much as she does with a potential husband.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this statement.

Women DO date down all the time and usually marry even lower. I've seen this all my life, see it all the time now, and it's more the norm than exception. Don't confuse short-term flings, STRs, and ONS with someone a woman sees as boyfriend or even bona fide "serious dating" or marriage material.

Here are some reasons women date "down" (looks-wise), based on my experience and what hot women have actually told me, in no particular order:

1. Good looking men have a higher tendency to cheat (proven fact) because they have more options and women approaching them.
2. In a woman's mind the "hot" guy will not be as good of a father due to #1.
3. Women HATE competition for their man from other women.
4. A hot woman with an average guy carries far more leverage. He is easier to control. She (and usually he) knows he likely would have to settle for a much more average looking woman should she dump him. This one is huge as men are very looks-driven.
5. A hot guy can actually make a woman self-conscious about her looks and body and damage her already fragile (and they all are) self-esteem.
6. Average looking men are much more likely to commit to a hot (or any) women.

Feel free to add to the list.

~Dash~

Pretty much covered it. Props for typing number three out. First time a man publicly communicated it.
Don't know if you personally believe it or not but its true for me.
I'm way below a certain hb level and I still always picked less than me in face/body game.
Doesn't work btw. Allowing other extenuating factors in the relationship which were my responsibility too, he still 'cheats'.

 

[Visionist]

I predict that with the accessibility of porn on smartphones today, even fewer men will be looking to lock themselves down with one woman.

Not only does the sheer variety of a digital "harem" in a man's pocket teach him the virtues of abundance, but the sheer scope and volume of debauchery available for his consumption will prevent him from accepting dead starfish sex once a week from his partner, and either lead him to cheat wherever and whenever he can, or jack off and leave her to fantasize about high SMV guys and/or cheat on her BF/husband with said guys.

Either way, monogamy dies.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

I predict that with the accessibility of porn on smartphones today, even fewer men will be looking to lock themselves down with one woman.

Not only does the sheer variety of a digital "harem" in a man's pocket teach him the virtues of abundance, but the sheer scope and volume of debauchery available for his consumption will prevent him from accepting dead starfish sex once a week from his partner, and either lead him to cheat wherever and whenever he can, or jack off and leave her to fantasize about high SMV guys and/or cheat on her BF/husband with said guys.

Either way, monogamy dies.

Monogamy was blue pill anyways, designed for childrearing for agriculture labour and inheritance.

Not biologically natural.

I agree and hold the same prediction.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I predict that with the accessibility of porn on smartphones today, even fewer men will be looking to lock themselves down with one woman.

Not only does the sheer variety of a digital "harem" in a man's pocket teach him the virtues of abundance, but the sheer scope and volume of debauchery available for his consumption will prevent him from accepting dead starfish sex once a week from his partner, and either lead him to cheat wherever and whenever he can, or jack off and leave her to fantasize about high SMV guys and/or cheat on her BF/husband with said guys.

Either way, monogamy dies.

Monogamy died the same moment a relationship was no longer necessary to have sex and women decided that kids were an optional.
Even if divorce laws were better, most men would either fvck around when cool enough to do it or accept the fact that they are a second choice to hot women and act accordingly.

Hypergamy, their arrogance, high mileage and the rest are secondary.

You started a thread on looks....the importance there of...
natural talent is just that. Natural.

You finally got it....at page 7

 

[Atom Smasher]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this statement.

Women DO date down all the time and usually marry even lower. I've seen this all my life, see it all the time now, and it's more the norm than exception. Don't confuse short-term flings, STRs, and ONS with someone a woman sees as boyfriend or even bona fide "serious dating" or marriage material.

Here are some reasons women date "down" (looks-wise), based on my experience and what hot women have actually told me, in no particular order:

1. Good looking men have a higher tendency to cheat (proven fact) because they have more options and women approaching them.
2. In a woman's mind the "hot" guy will not be as good of a father due to #1.
3. Women HATE competition for their man from other women.
4. A hot woman with an average guy carries far more leverage. He is easier to control. She (and usually he) knows he likely would have to settle for a much more average looking woman should she dump him. This one is huge as men are very looks-driven.
5. A hot guy can actually make a woman self-conscious about her looks and body and damage her already fragile (and they all are) self-esteem.
6. Average looking men are much more likely to commit to a hot (or any) women.

Feel free to add to the list.

~Dash~

I neglected to say, "date down and be happy". My bad, as I was assuming that. You're absolutely correct that some do date down, but these women, as you have pointed out, have serious insecurities.

 

[Who Dares Win]

You can't win this. Your wrong.
You do not understand the "complete package"
Work on your self esteem bro. Really

Stringpuller I posted 25 data studies you didnt comment any of those (cause they support my thesis) yet you keep pestering me with ad hominem attacks.

Such behaviour belongs more to a fat woman who cant stand others to state fact if they are in conflict with her fantasy, no one asked you to attend this thread with you useless off topics and stupid personal attacks.

We've been talking about how looks has an impact in turning women on, everyone got it but you, feel free to read other people comments.

You should fit more on cosmopolitan than here, Im waiting for you to call me a incel or gay and I wouldnt be surprised of it, clearly your low self esteem and huge ego cant notice how many feedbacks my comments get compared to yours...just like women.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Of course looks matter. But they aren’t everything. As @Atom Smasher pointed out women evaluate men as a whole package.

Women have differing priorities too. Some women want financial resources as top priority, some want intelligence, some want sex appeal, some want bad boyness etc.

Looks are but one factor in a multivariate equation. Men are simple. Is she hot in his opinion. That is criteria numero uno. Beyond that other things do matter but physical attractiveness is head & shoulders above the rest.

I think @DashRiprock made some good points but many hot women do not date down in looks. If anything, historically I have dated at or above my own level (I agree propensity to wander is higher in men with top tier looks due to ridiculous abundance of opportunity), but a confident woman will manage that.

Dating top status men is not for the insecure. But then all but top status men tend to pedestalize or be intimidated by beautiful top tier women...water always seeks its own level gentlemen.

By another handle @stormrider used to point out that once you are in the top tier strata people who have LMS are a given. From there you are choosing along the lines of personal preferences between prequalified (for lack of a better way to put it) people who all have much to offer.

That doesn’t really help the dude who wears sneakers, cargo shorts and untucked t shirts over a dad bod belly who plays video games instead of being (learning how to be) socially adroit. That guy has to get a good haircut, learn to dress, and leave his house besides to greet the pizza delivery guy.

Some men need to start at the very very beginning because they are still thinking & acting like a 14 year old in their mid 30s.

There’s a guy exactly like I described above who rents a house from a friend of mine. She hosted a cookout several weeks ago and the dude attended. He could make himself attractive if he dressed better, got a better haircut, walked a bit to exercise & learned social cues. He’s an IT whiz who works from (and almost never leaves) home. He’s plenty smart & a decent conversationalist...but he’s the 14 year old in the mid 30s body. Women don’t want to deal with that. I certainly won’t.

So it’s more a total package thing with women.

I for one don’t really find gym muscle hard bodies all that attractive. I don’t like trying to snuggle with a box of rocks. Fit? Yes. Not overweight, no beer bellies. But too rock hard with the muscles at rest? Pass.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Nobody is saying that carisma and personality have no value, Im just trying to say that Looks alone gets certain obvious reaction.

Just like a car is not only the carbody, a great car body is enough to get people willing to try that car.

Clearly we evaluate a person just like a car from its global components, yet some are enough to draw people.

I guess we all agree in that apart a certain retard which did not.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

Advice from the old lady:

Of course looks matter. But they aren’t everything. As @Atom Smasher pointed out women evaluate men as a whole package.

Women have differing priorities too. Some women want financial resources as top priority, some want intelligence, some want sex appeal, some want bad boyness etc.

Looks are but one factor in a multivariate equation. Men are simple. Is she hot in his opinion. That is criteria numero uno. Beyond that other things do matter but physical attractiveness is head & shoulders above the rest.

I think @DashRiprock made some good points but many hot women do not date down in looks. If anything, historically I have dated at or above my own level (I agree propensity to wander is higher in men with top tier looks due to ridiculous abundance of opportunity), but a confident woman will manage that.

Dating top status men is not for the insecure. But then all but top status men tend to pedestalize or be intimidated by beautiful top tier women...water always seeks its own level gentlemen.

By another handle @stormrider used to point out that once you are in the top tier strata people who have LMS are a given. From there you are choosing along the lines of personal preferences between prequalified (for lack of a better way to put it) people who all have much to offer.

That doesn’t really help the dude who wears sneakers, cargo shorts and untucked t shirts over a dad bod belly who plays video games instead of being (learning how to be) socially adroit. That guy has to get a good haircut, learn to dress, and leave his house besides to greet the pizza delivery guy.

Some men need to start at the very very beginning because they are still thinking & acting like a 14 year old in their mid 30s.

There’s a guy exactly like I described above who rents a house from a friend of mine. She hosted a cookout several weeks ago and the dude attended. He could make himself attractive if he dressed better, got a better haircut, walked a bit to exercise & learned social cues. He’s an IT whiz who works from (and almost never leaves) home. He’s plenty smart & a decent conversationalist...but he’s the 14 year old in the mid 30s body. Women don’t want to deal with that. I certainly won’t.

So it’s more a total package thing with women.

I for one don’t really find gym muscle hard bodies all that attractive. I don’t like trying to snuggle with a box of rocks. Fit? Yes. Not overweight, no beer bellies. But too rock hard with the muscles at rest? Pass.

That box of rocks will help me sleep sounder than I have in years.
I know I have quite a ways to go to attract that body security.
Like you wrote, we all look for different things at different times in our lives.

Good post, thanks.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Saying looks is not important it’s like saying size doesn’t matter . At the end usually those who ain’t having both of them are saying it .

Very "normal" looking dudes with social awareness and conversational skills do very well. IMHO the insecure and low self esteem folks think these "normal" dudes look better than they do, elevating them.

 

[Who Dares Win]

You already did the name calling brah.
Its the same with weak dudes in here. Attack your name or what you do or get called a women.
Pook was called gay and Jesus was called the devil. So what.
As far as your 25 studies. Ive already read these studies. Not only have they been pounded in magazines and even on dateline NBC in the early-mid 90s used to provide us spoonfuls of these studies.
Havent you ever heard a women say?

"There was just something about him"
Trying to figure out what that something is, is a waste of your time. As pook said you will never find it. You are trying to plug it in to something she "sees"
I promise you bro "a look" matters more then "looks" women are 5x less visual then men. Maybe more.
She can be sucked in by your look and dried up as soon as you open your mouth.. or something she sees you do socially. Etc etc. Your biceps then go out the window. Most of the time.
There are always the outliers also.
Men overlook these standards for themselves by multiples as long as the puzz is there. And To there demise most of the time.

The premise here is to not let ANYTHING stop you from becoming your best version. You, posting and getting caught up in the particular analysis of this subject does really help guys especially the newbs coming here.

DJs are well rounded and they do not get caught up on what they cant control.
Just because my writing style comes across to you as it does so be it. Others that are more eloquent in this thread have said the same thing. Even the old lady verified what @Atom Smasher said it a much better way then i can.

I was brought up to get over it by whatever things that were my shortcomings wether in sports school or my social circle.
Find a way to get it done and keep working.

All I said was "guys just check you what looks can give you alone", that was my point which apparently plenty of users understood and share given the feedbacks I got .

Then you came to support...what exactly are you supporting? we kinda lost it from your first posts when you begun with the "wise dj" gimmick and your ad hominem.

You remind me the old guys I work with, they basically fail to understand and even acknowledge anything that they didnt grow up with wheter its social or work related....they are the kind of guys who think you can save a marriage by being an even more nice guy.

Do you happen to be close or around your 60s? if thats the case its pointless to even talk since you grew up and made yourself in a world that was completely different than the current ones and no matter how many old women you deal with, you will never experience how a girl in her early to mid 20s does.

I'm not saying you are stupid, Im saying that you lack the tools to understand modern reality as much as I will do when I'll approach my 60s.

Btw the old lady and atom you refer to are old too and spend their teens and 20s in a different world than this....guess its an other coincidence given what I just said right?

If the last time you picked up girls in a club they were playing michaels jackson well guess you cant know much about how it works now. no offence on the person clearly its just a different timing.

Please confirm your age when you reply.

 

[Atom Smasher]

What was different when I was in my 20s?

Not looking to fight. I just want to see how you perceive it.

 

[Who Dares Win]

What was different when I was in my 20s?

Not looking to fight. I just want to see how you perceive it.

Well first of all the world was different in terms of technology and that alone had women to think and behave completely different than now.
Narcisism was something under control (I can confirm that even 10 yrs ago was much lower than now).

Needless to say that laws and culture were different too, think of divorced women that were far from bragging about it and actually still had to control themselves when dealing with peer pressure and public opinion.

Interactions were as not as quick as now, I dont think you could have swiped someone just looking at his face within a second as if he was an object, there were also many more conseguences about wrong behaviour.

Just check out marriage stats, thats a good benchmark to see that the world is completely different now.

Talking about Europe, I can swear on my life that just 15 years ago moving in different countries was like moving to different cultures unlike now where global drivers are basically uniforming every one toward a fixed model.
Mid 00s Poland had people behaving and thinking completely different than Germany, nowadays both changed and the differences are less and less.

Thats works for me too ofc, I was quite good in club game in the late 00s and early 10s, nowadays its completely different and younger guys doing it confirm it.