For the guys that pack heat

[Ice Cold]

The problem is not guns, or legalising guns, the problem is stupid people.

If people are gonna use guns irresponsibly, then there'll be trouble. Theres a huge difference between a responsible citizen whipping out a gun and taking down a thief at his store, and a lousy kid who points the gun at his friends "for fun".


Technically if you're a moron any object, from a kitchen knife to a paper, can be dangerous.

So why should responsible citizens be punished because some morons screwed up?

 

[TheInfamousCBear]

How much does a simple glock cost? I was thinking about a weapon cause the gang violence is going up here...Too many people I know are getting jumped, and a kid got his fingers cut off with a machete down the street and some kids got shot up on the front stoop in the building next to mine...And these fools are deep, they swarm on you with 9+ people and a gun could at least back them down...I moght not need it, but Im not trying to get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time...

 

[Ice Cold]

Glock is not "simple"... it's one of the best guns there is.

You're looking at around 800-1000 for the gun. 100 for holster and around 1000 for range membership and practice.

 

[Centaurion]

get a glock 19 ( http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/19 ) I fell in love with it when i served in the army. I had two of those babies when I was out in the field...probably the best handguns ive tried.

I <3 Glock19


edit.

from the above mentioned article :

"Both the Model 17 and 19 carry a suggested retail price of $511. If you want to shoot at gongs, the long slide target Model 17L will cost you $740.53. This includes a one-year limited warranty on all parts and five years or 10,000 rounds on the barrel, slide and frame."

 

[TyTe`EyEs]

I think I'm going to get a Glock 37. You can't fvck with that .45 caliber.

 

[Centaurion]

can you handle the recoil of a 0.45 cal? some people **** up their wrist because of t hat. 9mm is more then plenty enough. just a double tap on the chest and it will stop anyone.

 

[TyTe`EyEs]

Originally posted by Centaurion
can you handle the recoil of a 0.45 cal? some people **** up their wrist because of t hat. 9mm is more then plenty enough. just a double tap on the chest and it will stop anyone.

I hadn't thought about my wrist getting hurt. I might get a 9mm, but I'd rather go with the .45cal.

 

[Wubbman]

Dude, its not that bad. Go with what you like. Well, first, go to a gun range, rent a 9mm and .45 pistol, fire them, and see which one you prefer. Then go with what you like.

 

[TyTe`EyEs]

Originally posted by Wubbman
Dude, its not that bad. Go with what you like. Well, first, go to a gun range, rent a 9mm and .45 pistol, fire them, and see which one you prefer. Then go with what you like.

If somebody broke into your house, which one would you rather have?


Yeah, .45 it is.

 

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by Centaurion
can you handle the recoil of a 0.45 cal? some people **** up their wrist because of t hat. 9mm is more then plenty enough. just a double tap on the chest and it will stop anyone.

Some people fvck up their swrist using a computer mouse.

The coronary reports say that the 9mm and .45 cal wounds are identical, if fact, they can't tell till they find the actual bullets themselves.

IMO 9mm is adequate, if you're not planning to take on body armoured personnel.

About price... I was off by a bit. It's more expensive here in canada and I was thinking CDN$ too.

Cheers

 

[Andromax]

I fell in love with it when i served in the army. I had two of those babies when I was out in the field...probably the best handguns ive tried.

Being in the military myself, I'd like you to explain how you would be using glock in the field?

IMO 9mm is adequate, if you're not planning to take on body armoured personnel.

Ice Cold,

Honestly, would you be using a handgun if you planned to be engaging body armored individuals?

That aside, best weapon for home invasion self defense is a 12 guage shot gun. Plain and simple. Its hard to miss, and very visible. The action of the pump makes an unmistakeable noise and will probably cause any would be burgler to flee.

For personal concealed carry, I would reccomend a more compact handgun. There are tons of handguns, many different types of calibers, in the price ranges of less than 300 dollars to over 1000. You can go to indoor ranges and rent handguns to shoot. Go to gun stores and hold them. The amount of recoil is not going to matter if you know how to shoot.

I personally carry a HK USP .45 Tac when I do carry, which is rare.

I dont know what that guy was talking about .45 screwing up peoples wrist, that sounds like BS to me.

The most common calibers are .357, 9mm, and 45acp.

The best type of ammo to use is hollow point as they have much more knockdown power than a regular full metal jacket. Not a whole lot of people wear body armor on the street anyways, and I dont care if they are though, cause a hollowpoint is still gonna put em on their ass.

This isnt the best forum to get the best gun info on. Check out www.ar15.com thats the one I read and post at

 

[diplomatic_lie]

Originally posted by TyTe`EyEs
If somebody broke into your house, which one would you rather have?


Yeah, .45 it is.

No, I'd rather have a T-90 tank accompanied by a wave of SU37s. A bunch of WM-80s to level the neighbourhood with a few rocket attacks would also be useful.


Seriously, you Americans are obssessed with big guns. You do know how to use one, right? The difference shooting a thief with a 9mm bullet and a 273mm rocket is a giant lawsuit.

 

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by diplomatic_lie
No, I'd rather have a T-90 tank accompanied by a wave of SU37s. A bunch of WM-80s to level the neighbourhood with a few rocket attacks would also be useful.

The man knows his guns

Seriously, you Americans are obssessed with big guns. You do know how to use one, right? The difference shooting a thief with a 9mm bullet and a 273mm rocket is a giant lawsuit.

Dead gremlins don't sue.

 

[torqueboxer]

Well it looks as though this thread hos gotten quite long...LOL.
Still shopping the local shops. The 12guage shotgun is the best home defense weapon and the destinct "chick-chick" sound that the slide makes is a sound known world wide. LOL. I have a Mossberg "persuader" in 12 guage 3" magnum for my home. Kinda crappy, but, effective for its use. As for the .45 being too much to handle that is up to the shooter. For me the .40 dosnt have an extreme amount of recoil to keep accurate shot placement. When I go to the range I usually shoot on average 300-400 rounds. Thats about the limits of my comfort range( the trigger safety starts to chafe my index finger). 9MM is a good weapon but most of the local law enforcement in my area is switching to .40 for the fact that 9MM tends to over penitrate( car doors, human bodys...etc). .40 is my personal choice for carry, as suggested by the professionals who rely on their firearms everyday.

"Id rather be judged by twelve than carried by six"

Thanks Guys

 

[Centaurion]

Originally posted by Andromax
Being in the military myself, I'd like you to explain how you would be using glock in the field?

Army Recon. C-8 or AG3 (even mp5 on an odd occasion) as main assualt weapon and glock 19 as secondary. We also used P-80 handgun.

 

[diplomatic_lie]

Originally posted by Ice Cold
Dead gremlins don't sue.

Yes, but you can still be jailed for excessive force.

Depends on the country, but generally if your force exceeds your opponent's force, you're basically committing a crime.

 

[check_mate_kid_uk]

Originally posted by TheInfamousCBear
How much does a simple glock cost? I was thinking about a weapon cause the gang violence is going up here...Too many people I know are getting jumped, and a kid got his fingers cut off with a machete down the street and some kids got shot up on the front stoop in the building next to mine...And these fools are deep, they swarm on you with 9+ people and a gun could at least back them down...I moght not need it, but Im not trying to get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time...

i am total undecided on weather i think people should be allowed to cary guns. Firstly those gangs who want them so badly will be able to get them either way. So if every one has them, it is better.

But so many people are killed by guns used by people who only have them because they are legal.

There was a shooting in my town the other week because of a dispute over drugs, i hear of 2 a year in my town because it has a very infamous area where a lot of drugs are traded. This is UK by the way.

There are shootings in mancester quite often, but i think that in many cases if osme one is prepaired to kill some one, think of the state of mind they are in to do so, they probably would not care if that person could kill them aswell.

You could be arguing withsome, in uk you might pull a knife out on him, with a knife you have to use force to inflict injury, but with a gun you are arguing in a really heated argument you dont mean to shoot him but hes swearing at you, and in the heat of the moment you pull the trigger.

As for what im quoting above, in that situation if you pull out a gun that could be the worsed dicision you ever made, theres 9 of them a gun will not help, these people are crack heades, stoned and pissed they will kill you if you pull a gun out on them, do you seriously belive they do not have guns?

so come to think of it i am against but not 100% against guns, why should i be for them if i do not have one and i have not got in to any trouble and never needed them, sure its nice to have one, iv even fired a few in my dads in the RAF cedit force but if a burgular comes in, in the UK he probably will not have a gun, so you knock him out with a baseball bat, in the USA he has a gun, sure you do aswell, you can kill him but he can kill you.

If he has a gun in his hand oyu dont see it and hes sees you with a gun he will shoot, but in the UK if you see him carying a large weapon like a sword then you leave him alone, but if hes not got a weapon you bet him up with a weapon.

I feel a lot safer knowing the chances of some one that trys to jump me, having a gun is very small.

Guns should just be for police and security officers, and army you should be allowed to use a gun on a firing range as a hobie but carying it for protection unless your job requires it, is not a good idea. You know the saying "if you see a man with a stick you go and get a bigger stick" i think the same thing happens with guns and it escolates viollence

 

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by diplomatic_lie
Yes, but you can still be jailed for excessive force.

That's the whole point.

"It was raining, dark, the clouds... I yelled "stop!" and he reached in his pocket for what seemed like a gun..."

So stay away from my house FVCKERS!

But so many people are killed by guns used by people who only have them because they are legal.

There was a shooting in my town the other week because of a dispute over drugs

I have to roll eyes.

Usually, the people who own guns legally pass a background check. They are squeaky clean and have no intent of killing people "for fun" or to prove that they're tough or something.

It's all about the intent. Most of the shootings are done by drug dealers and punks, who shoot each other.

Most of the "carrying" is done by guys like the one who started the thread. They are not gonna draw unless they're threatened, and when they do draw they are more likely to save somebody.

Cheers

 

[Alpine]

I still think you guys are much more likely to get shot and killed by your own guns than by some Hud down the road.

You may well be well trained or not, the truth is statistically if you've got a gun you're way more likely to be killed by one, either buy a drunken spouse or you lose it one day.

OK you may 'feel' safer, but that's like wearing a seat belt and driving through a red.

If I lived in Joberg, sure I'd have an AK-47 and a one stopper strapped to my side, but if I lived in the states and felt I needed a gun for self protection, I'd move to a better neigbourhood.

 

[Andromax]

Army Recon. C-8 or AG3 (even mp5 on an odd occasion) as main assualt weapon and glock 19 as secondary. We also used P-80 handgun.

I didn't look at your location until just now. Thats cool, the aussies get some pretty sweet guns. That bullpup is pretty cool. Though it seems akward to me.