For the guys that pack heat

Derek Flint

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Originally posted by Alpine
It isn't even the fact you carry a gun, it's the fact you need to tell us about it.

If you were really serious with your question, you'd ask it somewhere appropriate like a GUN forum.

Oh yeah and Americans, there really responsible with handguns :rolleyes:

Ice cold, have you been in the military or law enforcement? Do you actually no how to use a handgun?

Join the army then you get the opportunity to shoot us brits, that's where we get most of our casualties from.


I suspect you've been watching too many gansta films, when you grow up maybe you can get a taste of the real thing, see if you don't sh1t your pants when your facing the end of a barrel.
This is off-topic forum, so it is a perfectly fine question to ask.

And yes, 99.9% of Americans are responsible gun owners.

Maybe you should be worried about your own country, where the crime rate has been skyrocketing since you subjects...er...citizens were banned from owning handguns.

And if the Original Poster has a Concealed Carry license, the odds are quite good that he had to jump thru a lot of hoops to get it, including a background check, a psychological test and being tested on a pistol range.

It is your own insecurities that are showing here.
 

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The Anti-Gun Male
by Julia Gorin

LET'S be honest. He's scared of the thing. That's understandable--so am I. But as a girl I have the luxury of being able to admit it. I don't have to
masquerade squeamishness as grand principle - in the interest of mankind, no less.

A man does. He has to say things like "One Taniqua Hall is one too many," as a New York radio talk show host did in referring to the 9-year old New York girl who was accidentally shot last year by her 12 year old cousin playing with his uncle's gun. But the truth is he desperately needs Taniqua Hall, just like he needs as many Columbines and Santees as can be mustered, until they spell an end to the Second Amendment. And not for the benefit of the masses, but for the benefit of his self esteem.

He often accuses men with guns of "compensating for something." The truth is quite the reverse. After all, how is he supposed to feel knowing there are men out there who aren't intimidated by the big bad inanimate villain? How is he to feel in the face of adolescent boys who have used the family gun effectively in defending the family from an armed intruder? So if he can't touch a gun, he doesn't want other men to be able to either. And to achieve his ends, he'll use the only weapon he knows how to manipulate: the law.

Of course, sexual and psychological insecurities don't account for ALL men against guns. Certainly there must be some whose motives are pure, who
perhaps do care so much as to tirelessly look for policy solutions to teenage void and aggressiveness, and to parent and teacher negligence. But for a potentially large underlying contributor, psycho-sexual inadequacy has gone unexplored and unacknowledged. It's one thing to not be comfortable with a firearm and therefore opt to not keep or bear one. But it's another to impose the same handicap onto others.

People are suspicious of what they do not know - and not only does this man not know how to use a gun, he doesn't know the men who do, or the number of people who have successfully used one to defend themselves from injury or death. But he is better left in the dark; his life is hard enough knowing there are men out there who don't sit cross-legged. That they're able to handle a firearm instead of being handled by it would be too much to bear.

Such a man is also best kept huddled in urban centers, where he feels safer than he might if thrown out on his own into a rural setting, in an isolated house on a quiet street where he would feel naked and helpless. Lacking the confidence that would permit him to be sequestered in sparseness, and lacking a gun, he finds comfort in the cloister of crowds.

The very ownership of a gun for defense of home and family implies some assertiveness and a certain self reliance. But if our man kept a gun in the house, and an intruder broke in and started attacking his wife in front of him, he wouldn't be able to later say, "He had a knife--there was nothing I could do!" Passively watching in horror while already trying to make peace with the violent act, scheduling a therapy session and forgiving the perpetrator before the attack is even finished wouldn't be the option it otherwise is.

No. Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter. And he doesn't want to get shot in case he has an affair with your
wife. Of course, it wouldn't be completely honest not to admit that owning a firearm carries with it some risk to unintended targets. That's the tradeoff with a gun: The right to defend one's life and way of life isn't without peril to oneself. And the last thing this man wants to do is risk his life - if even to save it. For he is guided by a dread fear for his life, and has more confidence in almost anyone else's ability to protect him than his own, preferring to place himself at the mercy of the villain or in the sporadically competent hands of authorities (his line of defense consisting of locks, alarm systems, reasoning with the attacker, calling the police or, should fighting back occur to him, thrashing a heavy vase).

In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent
alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man's containment

http://www.cruffler.com/Features/APR-02/legal-April-02.html
 

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Do you honestly believe if we all had handguns here the crime rate would go down?

How many murders by shootings do you have in the states per year?

In the UK I'd be suprised if it's over 20, and probably less than 100 murders in total.

Give Charlton Heston a ring and get some figures.

The concept that some of the idiots on this forum could actually own guns really does make me feel insecure.
 

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Originally posted by Alpine
Ice cold, have you been in the military or law enforcement?
Nope. Haven't had the pleasure.
Do you actually no how to use a handgun?
Yes.

Join the army then you get the opportunity to shoot us brits, that's where we get most of our casualties from.
You poor poor guys. Just means you don't go to war often enough.


I suspect you've been watching too many gansta films, when you grow up maybe you can get a taste of the real thing, see if you don't sh1t your pants when your facing the end of a barrel.
From your athoritative/degrading tones, I gather you're talking from experience.

What's your experience with guns?
 

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I've been in the military, and yes most guys DON'T know how to use a gun. Thats where all the practical jokes come in...


And if you're legal to carry a firearm, why bother to conceal it? Just put it in a place you can pull it out quickly. Somehow a thief/alien/Darth Vader isn't going to wait for you to find your gun and take a potshot at them.


(And why the f*ck was my last post deleted???)
 

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get a pistol registered AR15 with a stockless short buffer and a 5in barrel. 30 round mag of fmj.. cant go wrong.

Impractical yes, cool, yes.

http://www.gunsmokeenterprises.net/Aug06$08.JPG

Like that one, but with a shorter buffer tube.

You gotta feel bad for the UKs... they are like 16 year olds without any porn...
 

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Andromax :D

you'll have to add a grenade launcher to that just for funzies if nothing else! :D

BTW: There's a "flare launcher" that mounts under the AR barrel and is perfectly legal.

Now, who remembers the game "blood" back in 1996 and the flare gun there? :D :D :D :D
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lie
I've been in the military, and yes most guys DON'T know how to use a gun. Thats where all the practical jokes come in...


And if you're legal to carry a firearm, why bother to conceal it? Just put it in a place you can pull it out quickly. Somehow a thief/alien/Darth Vader isn't going to wait for you to find your gun and take a potshot at them.


(And why the f*ck was my last post deleted???)
Yeah, any idiot within 20ft and a 6" kitchen knife is going to take out Mr Glock before he's even put his hand on the grip. If it's concealed it's even worse.

Not only that on the average how many rounds do you reckon it takes to drop the guy with your 9mm?
 

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Originally posted by Alpine
Yeah, any idiot within 20ft and a 6" kitchen knife is going to take out Mr Glock before he's even put his hand on the grip. If it's concealed it's even worse.
This argument always fascinated me.

If you're not carrying a gun, how is your position gonna be any better?

Not only that on the average how many rounds do you reckon it takes to drop the guy with your 9mm?
One in the pelvic bone. Or leg... or CNS...

2 in the body is more than enough to slow him down. then you can just walk away and he'll bleed to death.

How many hits/strikes/kicks do you reckon it takes to drop a guy, if you weigh around average?
 

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Alpine, you sound a bit aggravated. Did the "Anti-Gun Male" article hit a little too close to home. :(
 

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Marine Corps.' General Reinwald was interviewed on the radio the other
day, and you have to read his reply to the lady who interviewed him
regarding guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws,
you gotta' read this!! This is one of the best comeback lines of all
time. It is a portion of National Public Radio (NPR) interview between
a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about
to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:

So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young
boys when they visit your base?

GENERAL REINWALD:

We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery, and shooting.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:

Shooting!! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

GENERAL REINWALD:

I don't see why. They'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:

Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be
teaching children?

GENERAL REINWALD:

I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline
before they even touch a firearm.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:

But you are equipping them to be violent killers.

GENERAL REINWALD:

Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are
you?

The radio went silent and the interview ended.


By the way I carry a .40 cal weapon not a 9mm. One well placed shot at center mass is more than enough to stop anything short of a bear or drunken soccer hooligan. I have qualified with the local police department on their firing range and successfully out shot some of their seasoned officers. (I won my sponsor some beer money. LOL)

In a few months I will have my ACT 120 certification which allows me to be employed by any municipal police department. I would ask one of those guys I know but they have no concept of conceilment due to the fact that...they dont have to hide their weapons. Thats why I was asking here. Yet again, to all of the responses that were helpful...thanks.

I didnt know this was such an issue. LOL
 

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Actually, I believe the above interview is an urban legend, but the point is still made.

And even a well-placed shot with a .22 is enough to ruin anyone's day.

The myth that a 9mm does not having enough stopping power is absurd.
 

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There's a "flare launcher" that mounts under the AR barrel and is perfectly legal.
Ice Cold,

Yeah thats the 37mm version of the M203 40mm grenade launcher.

You can get your hands on the m203, and its legal in a few states, mine included.

You can load your own HEDP grenades too, just buy the brass at surplus stores.
Flares and certain types of gas grenades might be available too.

But you need atleast a 14.5" barrel to mount it..

http://www.AR15.com

Great discussion boards about guns, for those interested. Since this sight is about other topics.
 

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You cannot and must not leave all matters of self defence to the police. Police cannot be everywhere at the same time. There's a high chance than police will only be there after the crime has been committed.

It should be the duty of governments to allow citizens to carry weapons if they live in dangerous times, yet most governments do not do so because they fear their own people. While I think that gun ownership should be earned instead of being a right, governments opposed to guns won't even consider this.

No. Better you be a helpless victim. Like sheep to slaughter. Always at the mercy of others. Assuredly, cruel people.

While some of you would rather embrace victimhood out of mistrust for fellow man, victimhood is not a luxury I can accept.

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And, the police are under no legal obligation to protect you.

And like the above poster said, the police investigate crimes and rarely prevent them.

Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the individual to protect himself and his loved ones.

No one will do it for you.
 

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God created men, Colt made them equal.


You gotta protect you and yours. The police have limited resources.

Would you say, why learn CPR or first aid? leave that to the EMTs and firefighters.

I think not.

A gun is just a tool.
 

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Originally posted by Derek Flint
Actually, I believe the above interview is an urban legend, but the point is still made.
Flint is right, that is an urban legend, but its also a funny story, as there are people in this country who think that way.

Originally posted by Island
You cannot and must not leave all matters of self defence to the police. Police cannot be everywhere at the same time. There's a high chance than police will only be there after the crime has been committed.

While some of you would rather embrace victimhood out of mistrust for fellow man, victimhood is not a luxury I can accept.
+1 Well said.
 

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The problem is not guns, or legalising guns, the problem is stupid people.

If people are gonna use guns irresponsibly, then there'll be trouble. Theres a huge difference between a responsible citizen whipping out a gun and taking down a thief at his store, and a lousy kid who points the gun at his friends "for fun".


Technically if you're a moron any object, from a kitchen knife to a paper, can be dangerous.
 

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